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Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

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When Holland comes out on the ice or anything like Bettman he should be boo'd just the same. I won't even be surprised if fans at the Wings games start bringing cardboard with "Holland Sucks" or "Fire Holland"written on it at this point. I feel so bad us the fans along with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, etc. Watch next players we actually want on the team start requesting trades.

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"Hey, lets shoot the messenger"

Just pointing it out what was said.

I know what he said, I posted the part of the article that is actually believable.

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Do you really believe that Holland will release or demote Cleary over a youngster that can be sent down even if the youngster completely outplays Cleary?? What message does it send to the young players in the organization? They preach to them to work hard and youll earn your spot but all they end up seeing is those spots theyve earned given to players that should have been put out to pasture years ago.

When did I say that? I clearly said in a previous post that there will have to be a couple guys in the press box, and that Cleary is better suited to that than a guy like Jurco. You want Jurco in that role instead of playing top line minutes in Grand Rapids? Jurco would be in the AHL to start the season without Cleary. Stop acting like this signing is holding him back. It isn't.

Edit: People can get on my case all they want. I'm just trying to discuss the signing itself rather than see this become yet ANOTHER Holland bashing thread. Don't we already have enough of those?

Edited by marcaractac

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Edit: People can get on my case all they want. I'm just trying to discuss the signing itself rather than see this become yet ANOTHER Holland bashing thread. Don't we already have enough of those?

Yeah lets all be super happy and positive that Holland is ruining the Wings.... <_<

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And Holland had offered him a three year deal at the start of the summer that Cleary turned down.

And yet we feel the need to be loyal to him...

Could someone please just kill me? This summer has to be some crazy f***ed up dream in which I can only escape back to reality by getting Elmstreeted or some s***.

f*** f*** f***.

I just have nothing logical or reasonable or mature to say now. It's just a tirade of swears and a heavy cloud of depression.

Part of me knew this was coming, but part of me thought that there really was no way it could actually happen. I know we said we'd do it, but given how last year went and our kids that are ready for spots, it just seemed like there was no way anyone could justify this at this point.

Fire Holland.

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If I did as bad a job as Ken Holland over the last few years at my workplace I'd have been fired about seven times by now.

Remember, Kenny gets paid a hell of a lot of money to supposedly make this team better. What has he done to make it better since Lidstrom retired? What part of his actual job has he done besides sit on his hands and take the easy options time and time again? This team has SCRAPED into the playoffs for two seasons running and his response is to re-sign two of the worst players and give himself a pat on the back?

I've said it so many times over the years and I'll keep saying it in stronger terms with every ridiculous move he makes. Ken Holland is a fraud. Without Håkan Andersson he would have been found out years ago. This roster is his product, the Franzen contract will be his legacy, and it'll be a miracle if we keep the playoff streak alive with a weaker and somehow OLDER roster than before.

Bottom line: Holland has failed year after year to replace Lidstrom and Holmstrom. His signings in the last few years have been nothing short of laughable. There is loyalty to players but more importantly is loyalty to the fans to do his job and create the best roster in his power to compete for the Stanley Cup.

The complacency is infuriating.

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Yeah lets all be super happy and positive that Holland is ruining the Wings.... <_<

Like I already said multiple times. I don't like this signing. But every thread on these forums are turning into Holland bashing threads. Like, is it that difficult to keep all the calling for Holland to be fired under one roof? So other threads can be used to actual discussion? That's all I'm getting at here.

The only positive that could come from this signing is to have Cleary taking up a roster spot in the press box on a regular basis instead of someone like Jurco.

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Do you really believe that Holland will release or demote Cleary over a youngster that can be sent down even if the youngster completely outplays Cleary?? What message does it send to the young players in the organization? They preach to them to work hard and youll earn your spot but all they end up seeing is those spots theyve earned given to players that should have been put out to pasture years ago.

This is why I cut Tatar a lot of slack when those comments were coming out about his frustration being stuck in GR. It's one thing to not rush guys, but we're not in an era where it makes sense to let everyone get "overripe" as Holland puts it. We need their skill and their speed and their price points in the NHL far more than we need to be signing oldsters that can't contribute.

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If someone can find an email address I think we should all email our disgust with Holland and the last few years.

Next up - Holland will re-sign Alfie and then hit the golf course. Holland spends his time negotiating with Cleary and not signing our remaining RFA's Tatar and Dekeyser to contracts - shows what he values most.

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Like I already said multiple times. I don't like this signing. But every thread on these forums are turning into Holland bashing threads. Like, is it that difficult to keep all the calling for Holland to be fired under one roof? So other threads can be used to actual discussion? That's all I'm getting at here.

The only positive that could come from this signing is to have Cleary taking up a roster spot in the press box on a regular basis instead of someone like Jurco.

Why wouldn't Holland be getting discussed in a thread about him signing someone to a contract?

You're free to not read this thread and go into one where this isn't being talked about, or even (gasp) not being on the site at all right now if you know you're not going to like the discussion taking place.

If I didn't want to read all this then I wouldn't be in here....simple.

Edited by roboturner

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When did I say that? I clearly said in a previous post that there will have to be a couple guys in the press box, and that Cleary is better suited to that than a guy like Jurco. You want Jurco in that role instead of playing top line minutes in Grand Rapids? Jurco would be in the AHL to start the season without Cleary. Stop acting like this signing is holding him back. It isn't.

Edit: People can get on my case all they want. I'm just trying to discuss the signing itself rather than see this become yet ANOTHER Holland bashing thread. Don't we already have enough of those?

Sorry if thats not 100% what you meant. Thats just how I comprehended your post. This signing is holding the team back though. Signings like these have held the team back the last couple years. The Wings already have guys that fill Cleary's role. There is no need to bring him in. Id rather have Jurco playing top minutes in GR and then getting the call when players inevitably get hurt. 50+ games in GR and then 30 or so in the NHL will do loads more for his development at this stage than 80+ in GR. Having Cleary on the roster just adds another body he has to jump through even though hes proved hes a better player right now.

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What makes me the most infuriated with this signing is Holland doesnt seem to be making this move to better the team. Hes doing it to basically give his buddy a free paycheck and keep a promise that shouldnt have been made. Kind of like if your own a place and your kind of forced to give a job to a cousin, in law, or friend even though they arent qualified but because they are family/friends. You know they wont improve the workplace but it makes your conscience feel good by doing it.

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Sorry if thats not 100% what you meant. Thats just how I comprehended your post. This signing is holding the team back though. Signings like these have held the team back the last couple years. The Wings already have guys that fill Cleary's role. There is no need to bring him in. Id rather have Jurco playing top minutes in GR and then getting the call when players inevitably get hurt. 50+ games in GR and then 30 or so in the NHL will do loads more for his development at this stage than 80+ in GR. Having Cleary on the roster just adds another body he has to jump through even though hes proved hes a better player right now.

In the end just look at last season. We often had guys like Sammy and Bert sitting in the press box while they were passed over and kids got the call up. I see this season being no different. Cleary's competition is with being scratched, not with the kids who can play in GR. If/when Cleary stinks it up, and a roster spot needs to be filled for a game, I would bet money that Jurco would get the call up over him.

Once again, I don't like the signing. But every team needs bench warmers.

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If I did as bad a job as Ken Holland over the last few years at my workplace I'd have been fired about seven times by now.

Remember, Kenny gets paid a hell of a lot of money to supposedly make this team better. What has he done to make it better since Lidstrom retired? What part of his actual job has he done besides sit on his hands and take the easy options time and time again? This team has SCRAPED into the playoffs for two seasons running and his response is to re-sign two of the worst players and give himself a pat on the back?

I've said it so many times over the years and I'll keep saying it in stronger terms with every ridiculous move he makes. Ken Holland is a fraud. Without Håkan Andersson he would have been found out years ago. This roster is his product, the Franzen contract will be his legacy, and it'll be a miracle if we keep the playoff streak alive with a weaker and somehow OLDER roster than before.

Bottom line: Holland has failed year after year to replace Lidstrom and Holmstrom. His signings in the last few years have been nothing short of laughable. There is loyalty to players but more importantly is loyalty to the fans to do his job and create the best roster in his power to compete for the Stanley Cup.

The complacency is infuriating.

What has he done to make the team better since 2009?!?

Again, I'll give him all the credit even for drafting well, though even the most objective supporter knows you can't give one guy all the credit for drafting well. But even giving him ALL OF THE CREDIT FOR DRAFTING WELL, he still deserves to be fired for everything else that he's done and failed to do over the last five years.

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I'm not completely opposed to bringing Cleary back, but at $1.5m? Seriously? I mean he brings depth, leadership, blah, blah, blah...

If I was Riley Sheahan I would be pissed, since he's going to absolutely have a roster spot for a measly 950k. While Cleary, according to Holland, "He'll have to beat people out to be in the lineup."

Spending more on a back-up than a starter?

Also, compared to the $1m deal for Heatley and the $2m deal for Richards, I'd say that Cleary deserves right between the two of them....right? <---- Sarcasm

(maybe not a fair comparison, but I just hate the idea that Holland's getting fleeced by hometown discount Danny Cleary, while other teams are signing better "project" players for MUCH better deals) :glare:

Edited by PaZel

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