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Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

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You're right, we do have an impressive pool of prospects. Shame they can't get a game because they're blocked by the likes of Quincey and Cleary.

This upsets me most about the Q and Cleary signings. The Wings have players who are ready to take those roster spots, but can't this season without injuries.

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Seriously what the f*** are you talking about? Losing Cleary was addition by subtraction, the fact that this piece of s*** is taking both money from the cap and a roster spot from a more deserving player is exactly why Holland should be fired. Not to mention the countless other terrible moves he's made the last 4 years. The NTC is just icing on the cake.

Really? So we haven't been relevant since 2009? How much good faith do you give someone before they are in the hot seat, I think 5 years of not doing the right moves is enough of a sample size to call for changes. What did he do to fix losing Rafalski? what about Lidstrom? Or Stuart? Oh at least he brought in Bert, Sammy, Tootoo, Cleary x2, Coliacavo, Williams, White, Commodore......Yep you are right, we should all swing from Hollands nuts because he f****** managed to put a team together a decade ago, in an entirely different league. Most fans do not pay to see there team bring in players because they are bffs with thef****** GM, they pay to have the best product available, and I question any fan who would ask otherwise out of their team.

AAAAAAmmmmmmeeeennnn!!!

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I'm a huge fan of Dan Cleary, he is a heart and soul guy, he will go through hell for his teammates and he is a great locker room guy. He works his ass off on and off the ice, and he is a great mentor to the kids. However, I believe his time has come and he should hang 'em up. I'm not a fan of this signing, but not for the same reasons as a lot of people on here. I don't think it's the end of the world, and I'm not about to burn down the Joe or Holland's home...

Before this signing I was fully expecting Jurco to start the season down in Grand Rapids, and I'm completely okay with that. I think him getting top line minutes, and being the go-to-guy down in Grand Rapids will be great for his development. I'd much rather a 21 year old kid get top minutes down in the AHL then have him get limited third line minutes in the NHL, but that's just me. The biggest problem I have with this signing is the potential of losing a kid that is out of options that I really, really like (Mitch Callahan) because there isn't room for him on the 23 man roster. I will be very disappointed if Callahan is placed on waivers and gets claimed because of this signing...

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Holland is a hockey god!!!! He does no wrong! Everyone that is upset about this signing needs to see the bigger picture. Moves like this are what draws in the big name UFA's! Why can't you guys see that!

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You're right, we do have an impressive pool of prospects. Shame they can't get a game because they're blocked by the likes of Quincey and Cleary.

Don't worry. Sure we'll lose some of those prospects on waivers.

But we can get them back by trading a 1st rounder for them in a few years!!icon_e_agh.gif

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5 years and not one major UFA signing although a lot of kicking the tires, saying A and doing B plus turning THE destination into a non destination.

Sometimes laughing is the best medicine and that's also exactly why I've wanted the streak to end at least ownership would then realize that changes are needed and move him up as VP only..

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Sorry, I was trying to follow what you were saying but was distracted by your choice to use an injured Red Wings player down on the ice as your avatar.

But I guess it goes with you hoping for a Wings player to get injured.

Hmmm, that feels a little like a baiting reply to me...

Nowhere in my post did I say I'm hoping Cleary will get injured. I'm just flat out predicting that he will & it will happen early in the season. Too much of a history of injuries the past handful of seasons & way too many miles. I'll go on the record in fact on how I think this plays out...

  • Around the week of 9/15, we'll start seeing media reports of Cleary not skating due to groin soreness
  • He'll try to go in the last pre-season game in Boston or maybe 2 of the last 3 and skate like his age matches his jersey #. Yes, I'm assuming Alfie will be back so Dan will not skate like he's 11.
  • Despite struggling in the 1 or 2 pre-season games he appears in, he'll still make the team & Jurco winds up in GR. I'll save this rant until another time but my theory is Cleary making the team has much more to do with Babcock than Kenny.
  • Danny looks terrible to start the season & after 3-4 games (around 10/15-17) we start seeing commentary on him being a warrior for playing through either what is thought to be a sports hernia or complications with his knees again. HSJ will be the one leading the pack on those reports.
  • After a rather lopsided loss to either the Canadiens or the Pens the week of 10/21 where Cleary checks in with at least a -3 for the night with a couple of particularly boneheaded turnovers, he's put on the DL & Jurco is recalled.
  • He tries to make an early return right after Thanksgiving & only lasts a few games before heading back to the DL.
  • Trade deadline day rolls around, there's no action from the Wings, & the board goes crazy when "The return of a healthy Dan Cleary and ... are our deadline acquisitions" ("and ..." being one of the following: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, or Franzen, my money's on Franzen) comes out of the mouth of Holland. Much weeping & gnashing of teeth ensues.

So in actuality, I'm hoping everyone stays healthy. Given past history though, I'm expecting that won't happen & in Cleary's case, I'm expecting it to happen fairly quickly.

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"There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!"

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Hmmm, that feels a little like a baiting reply to me...

Nowhere in my post did I say I'm hoping Cleary will get injured. I'm just flat out predicting that he will & it will happen early in the season. Too much of a history of injuries the past handful of seasons & way too many miles. I'll go on the record in fact on how I think this plays out...

  • Around the week of 9/15, we'll start seeing media reports of Cleary not skating due to groin soreness
  • He'll try to go in the last pre-season game in Boston or maybe 2 of the last 3 and skate like his age matches his jersey #. Yes, I'm assuming Alfie will be back so Dan will not skate like he's 11.
  • Despite struggling in the 1 or 2 pre-season games he appears in, he'll still make the team & Jurco winds up in GR. I'll save this rant until another time but my theory is Cleary making the team has much more to do with Babcock than Kenny.
  • Danny looks terrible to start the season & after 3-4 games (around 10/15-17) we start seeing commentary on him being a warrior for playing through either what is thought to be a sports hernia or complications with his knees again. HSJ will be the one leading the pack on those reports.
  • After a rather lopsided loss to either the Canadiens or the Pens the week of 10/21 where Cleary checks in with at least a -3 for the night with a couple of particularly boneheaded turnovers, he's put on the DL & Jurco is recalled.
  • He tries to make an early return right after Thanksgiving & only lasts a few games before heading back to the DL.
  • Trade deadline day rolls around, there's no action from the Wings, & the board goes crazy when "The return of a healthy Dan Cleary and ... are our deadline acquisitions" ("and ..." being one of the following: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, or Franzen, my money's on Franzen) comes out of the mouth of Holland. Much weeping & gnashing of teeth ensues.

So in actuality, I'm hoping everyone stays healthy. Given past history though, I'm expecting that won't happen & in Cleary's case, I'm expecting it to happen fairly quickly.

Ok, let me be clear.

I think choosing an injured player, let alone an injured Red Wings player, is in poor taste. Then when you make a post predicting that same player will get injured, taken along with your avatar picture it sure seems like you're hoping for it. Or at least would enjoy it if it did happen.

Because I'm not sure exactly why someone would choose an image of a Red Wings player in pain on the ice and use that as their avatar.

In spite of all that though, you are actually saying you hope Dan Cleary remains healthy so he can play for the Wings?

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So here's an awful thought. At the end of the regular season I was seriously hoping that ALL of Alfie, Cleary, Quincey, Bert, Sammy, Tootoo would be gone. But IF I had to have one back it would have been Alfie (I didn't want it, but if forced to pick, he'd have been the guy).

But now, after clusterf*** 2014, I'm PRAYING he decides to retire so that at least one of our young, big, hard to play against forwards makes the team. If Alfie comes back I'm going to puke. It means Jurco and Mantha don't play. It means we don't acquire a defenseman. It means we're the EXACT same team as last year (except a year older). It means, in short, that we suck.

So please, enjoy your retirement Alfie, you've earned it.

Edited by kipwinger

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I respect Kenny for honoring his word on a verbal agreement. I absolutely astonished and livid that he would make that verbal offer in the first place.

Re-signing a healthy scratch???

My last thought...I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of the Red Wings methodology of keeping our young talent down in GR for many years until they are 100% NHL ready. The parity that comes along with the salary cap is going to make this difficult. Players now have a lot more options than they did previously. The money is available in multiple destinations for free agents. We are going to have to pay competitive market rates and even overpay in some instances for proven NHL'ers that fit a need....Kenny Holland is not used to ***-for-tat negotiating for players with other teams, he's pretty used to getting what he wants....which is the current problem. The Wings used to get a lot of discounts on players because..."we are the freakin Detroit Red Wings and every player wants to play here". With a salary cap, money talks and Minnesota looks just as appealing as Detroit these days if the contract $ to the player is similar. You're no longer going to be able to stack your NHL roster to be playoff/Stanley Cup contenders, while keeping your young talent shelved in your farm system for years on end. These young players are more-and-more going to have to learn their NHL game at the NHL level. It's hard to imagine all of this young talent that we have and we are 1....not willing (or able as the new DC signing presents) to bring up to the NHL yet and 2....not willing to trade. Unless, unless, your fan base is so loyal (or stupid) that they'll go through 10 bad years of hockey in hopes of building a future team from scratch from your farm system.

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Isn't there some sort of non-verbal commitment between the GM and the fans, owners, and other players on the roster that every year an attempt will be made to improve the on-ice product? I mean, life if full of little non-verbal commitments between parties. What makes this commitment so much more important? Doesn't Ken feel honor bound to Zetterberg, Franzen, or Kronwall for taking discounts to give him all this cap space he keeps squandering? Isn't there some commitment to give Babcock some semblance of a competitive roster? Hell, I'd like to think he (as part of his contract signing process) gave his word to the Illitchs that, at the very least, he'd make a half hearted attempt to win championships.

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I'll be astonished if Holland doesn't make this worse by trading either Tatar or Jurco for a defenseman that isn't worth it. That's really the only way this could get worse, and I'll bef****** amazed if he doesn't make it worse.

Prepare yourselves Detroit, it's DEFINITELY going to get worse. We'll lose good talent for a defenseman on an expiring contract. The loss of that talent, paired with injury, age, and mediocrity will mean we either miss the playoffs or lose early. And then that defenseman will walk because we're not a good team.

Bold prediction.

Edited by kipwinger

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CapGeek ‏@capgeek 52s

Dan Cleary's bonus is $1 million for 10 games played. #RedWings

This s*** just gets more and more comical, Dano is going to make 2.5 million next year :lol:

LOL. And apparently it counts against the cap too.

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Ok, let me be clear.

I think choosing an injured player, let alone an injured Red Wings player, is in poor taste. Then when you make a post predicting that same player will get injured, taken along with your avatar picture it sure seems like you're hoping for it. Or at least would enjoy it if it did happen.

Because I'm not sure exactly why someone would choose an image of a Red Wings player in pain on the ice and use that as their avatar.

In spite of all that though, you are actually saying you hope Dan Cleary remains healthy so he can play for the Wings?

Cleary has brought this on himself. He shouldn't be anywhere near an NHL rink. If there was any other way to keep him off the ice and draggin this team down, then I would obviously prefer that option.

It's not like suggesting someone go and shatter his leg if they see him walking down the street. A pulled muscle from overworking himself isn't going to ruin his life.

But I'll flat out say it. I don't care if you personally think it's bad taste. At this point, if him getting hurt keeps him off the ice, so be it.

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So 1mil for 10 games. That is 100k per game. 20k capacity arena Wings fans pay $5 each to watch Cleary play. What a ripoff ! And that is just the bonus.

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