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#181 krsmith17

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 07:34 AM

LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails.f****** ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points.



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 07:50 AM

LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails.f****** ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points.

 

I have a ton of respect for Cleary. But I'm completely divided on this issue. Part of me wants Danny to have a real strong season, but then the other half of me wants several prospects - Jurco and Mantha mainly, to play better than him in preseason so they force managements hand into playing them full time in the NHL this season. More so for Jurco than Mantha, but you get the point. I don't want Cleary to fail or suck though. But part of me feels its time to move on and properly make the young guns transition. Jurco is a big part of that IMO, and if we can get nearly a full season of Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco, we'll be a stronger team. 


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#183 DickieDunn

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 07:58 AM

Cleary used to be a very good role player. Now his knees are shot and he can't skate. Unless he found some magic pills that healed them, he shouldn't be anywhere near an NHL ice surface. If they really wanted him back he should have gotten a tryout deal. Now I'd he doesn't make it the Wings are stuck with 2.5 mil in cap hit because you know he'll get his 10 games in.

Edited by DickieDunn, 30 August 2014 - 07:58 AM.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 09:31 AM

LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails.f****** ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points.

 

That is all well and good if Cleary somehow has knees again. I'm not rooting for him to fail, but Tomas Jurco can do better than 20 points on the third line, along with everything else he provides that is superior to Cleary. Even if Cleary is healthy, he's pushing better players off the roster. That has always been my continuous problem with the deal. 


 
 
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Posted 30 August 2014 - 10:14 AM

 

That is all well and good if Cleary somehow has knees again. I'm not rooting for him to fail, but Tomas Jurco can do better than 20 points on the third line, along with everything else he provides that is superior to Cleary. Even if Cleary is healthy, he's pushing better players off the roster. That has always been my continuous problem with the deal. 

 

That is precisely my hang up with Cleary. I have nothing against him, and have a lot of respect for him. But unlike Aflie (who could, if he plays like last season, could contribute 20 goals), a full season of Jurco would most likely end up with 20 goals, and a very productive 3rd line. 


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 12:00 PM

 

Even if Cleary has a horrible camp and is clearly a really bad option to be kept on the roster? I could see it happening if he has a good camp yes, but what if he just can't play at this level anymore? 

 

Does it really matter? I hate to sound jaded here, but when it comes to all things Dan Cleary, I know exactly what to expect from Kenny and co. He's going to get his ten games, because Ken Holland promised him that money. He could be pure garbage water in the pre-season, and he's still going to play his ten games this season.
 

LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails.f****** ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points.

 

If Dano could be a 20-20 guy again I would be totally content. I don't care who the player is - if he produces for this team, or helps it win in some other fashion, I appreciate his contributions. Even if he did play 50+ games and produce 20+ points, he's not going to be adding anything to the PK, I think, as his speed and mobility have taken a huge hit. The issue is, he's not that guy anymore, and smart money says his knee is too shot for him to make any kind of comeback.

I would have preferred either of these two scenarios... I would have liked that extra spot on the team to be up for grabs in camp. Any one of Jurco, Pulkkinen, Mantha or Nosek could push for the spot. Not sure any would be 100% ready, but it would be great to see them battle and find out who would push the most for the spot.

 

On the flip side, I do think we already have a ton of offensive talent up front. Maybe that spot could have gone to Ferraro or Callahan for duty on the PK. Sheahan might see more PK time with Weiss returning, but outside of that, Helm and Miller are the regulars. Glendening and Andersson can play on the PK, but I'm not sure how often they'll be in the line-up. I just think either option would have been better.


Edited by Jesusberg, 30 August 2014 - 12:08 PM.


#187 joesuffP

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 03:13 PM

Cleary won't be able to sustain an effective level of play for long even if he does win a job in camp. Which I think will happen. Xmas time Jurco will be up full time

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 03:51 PM

I thought this thread was about Alfie?



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 04:31 PM

I thought this thread was about Alfie?

Don't be ridiculous, all threads are about Cleary.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 06:37 PM

Don't be ridiculous, all threads are about Cleary.


Surprisingly enough, even the one about Cleary.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:40 PM

UPDATE: Now, he's unsure. ARTICLE: http://redwings.nhl....729519&navid=DL

 

“If I would start this season as I did last year I would have signed already,” the 18-season veteran said Wednesday. “I had some issues with my back throughout the year, but nothing serious until the end when I started getting some tingling in the nerve down the right leg. That’s what worries me more than anything.”

 

 

Same old lip service from Babcock about "you gotta contribute to play.." [[After some of the staffing situations he has created, how does he say this with a straight face??]]

 

 

With a logjam of forwards heading to training camp, the one thing the Red Wings can’t afford is for Alfredsson to play a limited role on a team immersed in a youth movement.

 

“We don’t want a part-time player, we want a full-time player, so guy’s got to be healthy, he’s got to be able to skate,” Red Wings coach Mike Babcock said. “Alfie led our team in scoring last year … that’s how good a man he is and that’s how talented he is. But if you start the year injured and you’re 25, you got a chance to finish the year healthy. If you start the year injured and you’re Alfie’s age, the chance of you getting ready to go is a lot harder.”

 


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:01 PM

Fine with it either way, but as a family man i hope he makes the right decision.







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