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#81 nawein

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 04:34 PM

Looking more and more like he's coming back.

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 04:49 PM

It won't happen, but I think the Wings should walk away from Alfie. This team is not a championship contender with Alfie back and you are committing money for not only this season, but likely the next one too. All of this for a 42-year-old coming off back issues that isn't likely to play anywhere near most of the games anyways.

I like Alfie and thought he was good (before the Olympics) last year. I don't like him for another season given the makeup of this roster. It just isn't a necessary move. Then again, neither was bringing back Cleary, Quincey or Monster, so of course Holland will pull the trigger.

Basically I'm absolutely opposed to anything that is going to keep Tomas Jurco in Grand Rapids and Alfie returning is another forward in the numbers game. Play the kids and speed up the transition to becoming relevant again. Signing Alfie for a veteran presence is fine if you are contending. Doesn't make any sense for the Wings now.

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 06:07 PM

I like Alfie but this team as it stands today is a fringe playoff team and we might as well play the young guys and give them a look at this point. 



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Posted 11 August 2014 - 06:21 PM

WHOOP WHOOP Luh me some Alfie



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Posted 11 August 2014 - 08:40 PM

https://www.yahoo.co...-214714308.html


Lol my favorite quote:


Daniel Alfredsson left the Ottawa Senators for the Detroit Red Wings last summer because of money a burning hatred of Eugene Melnyk his belief that they could bring him his first Stanley Cup championship.

While they only fell 15 wins shy of that goal,




It sums up what a lot of people say. Were Stanley cup contenders we were only 15 wins short!! Lol

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 08:52 PM

The scary part is Holland knows Alfredsson can't play 82 games, but seems more then willing to sign him. I wish we would move on, but we won't. #11 and #71 in the starting line-up, baby!


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 09:22 PM

The scary part is Holland knows Alfredsson can't play 82 games, but seems more then willing to sign him. I wish we would move on, but we won't. #11 and #71 in the starting line-up, baby!

 

Your entitled to you opinion, but don't care pair 11 to the former 11, they're not in the same category. Signing Alfie helps this team (No i don't want to tank)



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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:18 PM

I actually don’t mind this quote from Holland:

 

 

"Certainly, I don't look at Alfie thinking he's going to play 82 games," Holland said. "When you got (Gustav) Nyquist and (Tomas) Tatar and (Tomas) Jurco and (Luke) Glendening and (Riley) Sheahan, if we can get a certain amount of games out of (Alfredsson), we would feel like he would be a real positive addition.

 

To me, Holland is looking for as much depth as possible, and is certainly OK with Jurco playing 20 + minutes a night and hopefully dominating in GRs at least to start the season. It’s a hard philosophy to argue unless the Wings come stumbling out of the gate and start the season 2-8 or something. 

 

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:54 PM

I have no problem with us signing Daniel Alfredsson.

 

I don't think we would've made the playoffs without him last year. I think he ran out of gas for awhile after the Olympics, but Kronwall wasn't firing on all cylinders either and he's a good deal younger. It was a long run for the Swedes. If the rest of the team can stay healthier and we can give him some calculated rest now and again this year, and with no Olympics to further muddle things up, I think Alfie stands to have a more impressive year this year, and I say that as someone who thought highly of his contribution last season. He was still an effective player most of the time, he put up points, and provided strong leadership when our big leaders went down. 

 

While it would've been a different story had Dats and Z not been injured, the fact of the matter remains that even at his older age, even given his own injury issues that hampered him throughout the season, even given that he missed 14 games, and even given that he had an extended cold-streak when he was running on empty after the Olympics, he still ended up being our points leader last year while going on to become a locker room leader in the second half that all those kids that exploded pointed to again and again for stepping up when Dats and Z went down.

 

If we're going to be signing older players, Alfie is the kind we should be signing. When people talk about wanting Ken Holland to stop signing older scrubs, I generally am very much in agreement. But the thing is, Alfredsson never has been and never will be an old scrub. Signing him should never be compared to signing someone like Cleary. It's genuinely irritating to me that anyone would even try to suggest that we're dealing with the same type of player and circumstance here when by any objective measure there's clearly a night and day difference. Alfie isn't as effective as he was ten years ago, most obviously, but he is still an effective player who contributes on the scoresheet and leads, all while providing the kind of veteran presence that you absolutely do want to have around on a team that's getting younger.

 

Just because Holland made a mistake in signing Dan Cleary again doesn't mean he should make another mistake and not sign Alfie if Alfie decides that he can play.

 

Again, I have no problem with Alfie coming back, and while I'm certainly not holding my breath, I hope that somehow this ragtag team can pull off a miracle for him. He's a class act and nothing would make me happier next season than seeing him win his first Cup so he can go out on top. Never lose hope, right?


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 11:43 PM

I actually dont mind this quote from Holland:
 
 
To me, Holland is looking for as much depth as possible, and is certainly OK with Jurco playing 20 + minutes a night and hopefully dominating in GRs at least to start the season. Its a hard philosophy to argue unless the Wings come stumbling out of the gate and start the season 2-8 or something. 
 
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It's not that hard of a philosophy to argue against. See Gustav Nyquist and Tomas Tatar last season. Jurco doesn't need more time in Grand Rapids just because he can get sent down -- he has already proven to be an effective NHL player. Play your best forwards, especially when the team is in transition and can accelerate the process of developing its youth. Why have a 42-year-old Alfie take a roster spot when you can have Jurco instead? Again, if the Wings are true contenders, then I get the Alfie angle.
 
 
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#91 martinezsvsu

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:04 AM

win/win for me, we either get aflie who is one of our top scorers or we get more jurco. im fine with either.


Edited by martinezsvsu, 12 August 2014 - 01:04 AM.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 04:47 AM

I'll be happy if Alfie comes back. That will prevent Cleary from getting his favorite number 11.

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 06:03 AM

I find it crazy that some people still actually believe that the best thing for the team and for the player (Jurco) is for him to play with the big club to start next season. It is not. Jurco would benefit in so many ways from playing another year down in the minors. He is still a kid, and could use another partial to full season down with the Griffs, getting top line minutes, top power play time, working out the kinks in his game, because believe it or not there definitely still are some kinks in his game. Even if we weren't going to re-sign Alfie for whatever reason, I would still want Jurco down in Grand Rapids to at least start the season.

 

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 07:14 AM

Expected it no other team is bringing their exact same roster back. Some of the top guys are going into the season with an identical one but nobody - except the Wings - is going into it with the exact same roster. It really takes balls and some superb job security to do that., when the team has barely made the playoffs.

 

I just don't understand what Alfie is trying to do he wants a  cup fine, but he won't unfortunately win one here and most contenders are set now, tough break.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 07:28 AM

Yeah, it was definitely a huge mistake to bring back the same team from last season... I mean we only made the playoffs, despite what may have been the biggest rash of injuries to key players that any team has ever had to endure in a single season... I would wager a rather large amount of money that the Detroit Red Wings will finish with more points (94+), and as a higher seed (7th or higher) than last season. I'd even go as far as to say that I believe they will finish with more than 110 points this season and quite possibly challenge for the division...



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 08:08 AM

I find it crazy that some people still actually believe that the best thing for the team and for the player (Jurco) is for him to play with the big club to start next season. It is not. Jurco would benefit in so many ways from playing another year down in the minors. He is still a kid, and could use another partial to full season down with the Griffs, getting top line minutes, top power play time, working out the kinks in his game, because believe it or not there definitely still are some kinks in his game. Even if we weren't going to re-sign Alfie for whatever reason, I would still want Jurco down in Grand Rapids to at least start the season.

 

Signed, Jurco's biggest fan.

 

Bingo. I think some people forget that Jurco is only 21. The kid showed flashes of brilliance, but also looked lost in the shuffle at times. It's not a fair comparison, but when you look at Gus or Tatar then look at Jurco, they're well ahead of him right now. They weren't ready at that stage in their careers, and I truly believe going back down to GR helped both of those guys tremendously (though, I am among the group that thought they should have started as regulars last season).

This team will face injuries, and there's a very real chance that Jurco will find himself in the line-up throughout the season. It's easy to compare this situation to last season's, when Nyquist was more than ready, but I don't believe Jurco is now where Nyquist was last season. Starting the season in the AHL is not going to hinder his overall development, IMO. If anything, I think it's going to put a chip on his shoulder and make him want it even more.

Tatar had several issues starting the season - and even getting call-ups before last season. Many (including myself) thought he was in Babcock's dog house, and being treated unfairly. Signing his 3-year deal just showed that the kids can play, and when they prove it, they will be rewarded.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 08:36 AM

Expected it no other team is bringing their exact same roster back. Some of the top guys are going into the season with an identical one but nobody - except the Wings - is going into it with the exact same roster. It really takes balls and some superb job security to do that., when the team has barely made the playoffs.
 
I just don't understand what Alfie is trying to do he wants a  cup fine, but he won't unfortunately win one here and most contenders are set now, tough break.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 08:44 AM

I don't see why everyone's so eager to compare Jurco to Tatar and Nyquist and not to Sheahan.  Oh wait, yeah I do.  Because it's convenient for their argument.  Sheahan wasn't ready either.  Looked lost in his call ups.  Didn't really fit.  Then he comes up and earns a spot because he wants it.  Just like you're supposed to do. 

 

To me it comes down to this:  I think we'd be a better team with some guys who can score in and around the crease.  We currently don't really have any (maybe Franzen).  I think we'd be harder to play against.  And I think that even if Jurco scored 15 fewer points than Alfie, we'd still be a better team if it gave us more than one offensive look.

 

As it stands we're a team full of guys who can only score from the perimeter...again.  And teams have figured out how to beat us in the playoffs.  I know it makes everybody feel better to blame injuries, but the fact is that our perimeter game hasn't worked in about 5 years.  Alfie doesn't help that.  Jurco would. 


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 08:49 AM

is it possible for them to fit danny d and alfie under the cap


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 08:50 AM

is it possible for them to fit danny d and alfie under the cap

 

Probably.  Alf will just sign a bonus heavy contract that will carry over to next season. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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