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#21 Nev

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:29 AM

I consider myself a big fan of the Red Wings but knowledgable - like this blogger is pushing it - would put it way too far. Anyway, after reading news how the Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Philadelphia and Boston are handling their players I can understand why organisations don't want to give too much out.

 

The only point I somewhat agree is that the team and especially management aren't taking critics very well, as proven by an Email from a poster here a few days ago.

 

But the media has to understand one thing: The job of a hockey organisation is to ice the best possible roster, players are paid to perform on the ice not to be media-monkeys.  Putting myself into Kessel's shoes I would have declined every interview with a Torontosun reporter till they are accepting that I'm shy and don#t want to talk to them, till then no comments no interviews.

 

Sometimes the media thinks they are way more important when in reality they aren't even important.

 

btw. for the 24/7 stuff the media considered it "boring" boohoo down to earth hockey players acting like always, so no forced stories or Bryzgalovs quotes for you ? Cry me a river, I thought the insight about Babcocks decisions and how he reacts to pressure have been outstanding.

 

I agree with most of this.  Journalists are, generally speaking, all lying areseholes.  They drive the story, even as they pretend to report it.  The media for Toronto, Philly, NYR, its like having half a dozen Drew Sharpe's as your beat reporters, and he is the lowest of the low (thank goodness he has the Lions to focus his childish trolling on).

 

Having said that, the Wings beat reporters are a bunch on patsies.  HSJ is the worst, she is virtually a unpaid mouthpiece for Ken Holland.  I understand that being in and around the team every day makes it hard to be too critical of them, but the silence on the teams succession of poor roster decisions the last 5 years has been deafening.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:52 AM

 
I've read that in a couple places but its just a claim made by a fan with no screenshot or any sort of proof that it's a legitimate email from anyone within the organization.
 
For all we know it was made up by the person that originally made the claim in the first place.


I agree with what you're saying just answering his question.

Also if it was said. Is it from someone important or just some random jerk off from the tickets office?

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 07:31 AM

I agree with what you're saying just answering his question.

Also if it was said. Is it from someone important or just some random jerk off from the tickets office?


It's almost certainly the later

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 08:52 AM

I don't know why anyone would give a blogger the time of day.  It's like hey, I've got a computer and an opinion, take me seriously.  It's like the bozos that try and diagnose themselves with a medical condition on the internet. 



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 09:37 AM

I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, a few of the bloggers I follow provide some pretty good insight - but you take that at face value. On the other hand, some of those bloggers exhibit unpopular opinions, or personal information, etc. that cleary illustrate just why they're not "real" journalists. I think HSJ is there extreme version of "towing the line" - other legitimate journalists like Khan and Duff (Windsor Star) definitely disagree with certain moves, or at the very least call them into question. The difference is that they don't disparage an entire organization for two ugly signings.

Instant access to the can both hurt and help journalists - once you post a knee-jerk reaction to a move you don't approve of, it's out there. These journalists are held to a higher standard, and they should be. Report the facts. If you disagree with a move, question it - don't go on these all-out rants about how Detroit's lost is luster, etc. under a name that you wish to be associated with your profession.

If you're going to appeal to popular fan opinion, you'll have a difficult time getting your foot in the door with management. Towing the line with Detroit management/PR, you're not going to appease the fans. It's basically one or the other, IMO.



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:07 AM

My problem with bloggers is this:

 

In this day and age almost everyone - including me - could create his own blog (all you need is wordpress and some basic css knowledge) dedicated to the Wings but expecting PR/Management access ? I really think that's pushing it. Blogs can be very good, if the bloggert knows how to provide his information. Sadly there are also a lot of bad ones, especially the fanboy or I'll rant about everything ones.

 

Journalists on the other hand should be held to a much higher standard and should be required to fullfill it. Some of them are really going over the line (ie. phoning Reimers mum, calling Seguin out for the ***** joke, running Richards and Carter out of Philadelphia.and of course Cox famous rant about Kessel), if I were the GM I'd be phoning their boss and telling him in a very non candid way about the consequences if another article like this gets published. A good of friend of mine is studying PR and they are told to NOT cross the line.

 

Helen St. James for sure has information but I 've stopped reading her stuff because it's always "they Wings are great, Holland is doing the right thing..." Ansar Khan at least questions some of the moves and provides just as good - if not even better - articles.

 

BUT something has to be done about the Wings video portal:

It is horrible: it is so uncessary hard to find stuff such as interviews, there is no structure at all. Take a page out of the blueshirtsunited Rangers site it is well structured, looks different and very easy to navigate and find stuff. Why aren't the Wings doing something similar ?  Give the fans an option to rewatch pressers,  GM conferences and development analysis from our coaching stuff. That to me is worth more than useless breakfasts and other stuff.

 

 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:08 AM

The media plays an important role as an independent check on any organization that it's covering.  They're always disparaged, and 90% of the time they deserve it, but when they're doing their job everybody is thankful.  I'm sure, if they tried, everyone here can think of a time in which the public was introduced to some (very important) piece of information because a journalist was out there doing his or her job.  So this senseless media bashing is exactly that.

 

Having said that, I do think that there's some merit to this article.  If only to point out the utter ineptness of the local sports media, in particular.  Put aside the bloggers (I know, it's just opinion), or free agency preferences (I know, they're subjective), and all the recent stuff.  Set it aside.  And even then the recent loss of Tom Renney and hiring of Tony Granato got me thinking...do any of you recall seeing a single article about the decline of our powerplay?  Anybody remember that ever being a question asked of Babs or Holland?  This is just one example, I know, but our powerplay has been getting worse each year for a while now.  One of the justifications for signing Quincey, Sammy, and Alfie was that these guys would help on the powerplay.  The Detroit sports media regurgitated that fact ad nauseam.  And then...no results, and nobody asked a single question.  And this isn't something that involves much subjectivity the way free agency or trades do.  This is a fact. The powerplay stinks.  And nobody bothers to find out why.  If it's brought up at all, it's only to say "the powerplay is bad, here's Babs' or Hollands' ready made quote on the subject", which nobody bothers to follow up on.  Would it have killed someone over at Mlive to put in a call to Red Berensen, or Terry Murray, and see if they had any thoughts...ya know...being experts on the subject and all?  That's bad journalism. 

 

But can you really blame Khan, St. James, etc. for not asking?  Fans don't want that story.  Hell, the one and only writer in Detroit who isn't afraid to write unpopular articles (Drew Sharpe) is attacked endlessly by fans for being a troll, and then they complain about how no writers are willing to go against the grain.  Hmmm.


Edited by kipwinger, 16 July 2014 - 10:10 AM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:18 AM

Drew Sharp is a d-bag who DOES in fact troll all things UofM. If you think otherwise then you haven't really seen him in action.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:28 AM

Drew Sharp is a d-bag who DOES in fact troll all things UofM. If you think otherwise then you haven't really seen him in action.

 

I read Drew Sharp all the time.  I don't agree with you. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

I think some fans are confused as to what a journalist is, the difference between a beat reporter, a columnist, etc.

 

HSJ and Khan are beat reporters.  Their job is to report the daily goings on of the team in a somewhat factual manner. I'm relatively sure I've seen the issues with the power play reported.  HSJ asked Holland about Franzen being bought out, she asked Holland about the unpopularity of Cleary's signing.  What exactly is she supposed to do?  Post nude pics?

 

Drew Sharp, Mitch Albom, Bob Wojnowski, etc, they are columnists.  Their job is to give their opinions.  If they are too agreeable and don't get readers fired up, they won't have a job long.



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:41 AM

HSJ and Khan are beat reporters.  Their job is to report the daily goings on of the team in a somewhat factual manner. I'm relatively sure I've seen the issues with the power play reported.  HSJ asked Holland about Franzen being bought out, she asked Holland about the unpopularity of Cleary's signing.  What exactly is she supposed to do?  Post nude pics?

 

 

I agree.  And god knows I DEFINITELY don't want to see nude pics of Helen St. James.  But I think you're downplaying it a bit. 

 

HSJ:  "What's wrong with the powerplay coach Babcock".

MB:  "We need to execute and play heavier". 

HSJ:  "Okey dokey, thanks coach.  Print it boys". 

 

Nobody is expecting a beat reporter to take team officials to task, but there's a little more to their jobs than just repeating exactly what KH or Babs says without doing any other work whatsoever. 


Edited by kipwinger, 16 July 2014 - 10:42 AM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:45 AM

 

I read Drew Sharp all the time.  I don't agree with you. 

Are you a UofM fan?

 

It is well known that he always write negative articles not only about UofM but the whole state of Michigan and Michigan sports. It;s one thing to be objective but to go to the lengths that he does to talk bad about all of Michigan sports is a bit much. I understand his thing is to take the unpopular stand on all subjects but he goes over a lot.

 

 

example of him trying to start something but gets smacked down.

 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:58 AM

Are you a UofM fan?

 

Yep.  And I'm not really sure how the two things (liking Drew Sharp's articles and being a Michigan fan) are mutually exclusive.  I don't agree with some things he says, and I do agree with some things he says.  But I don't think he's got a vendetta out against the University, team, coaching staff, players, etc. 

 

To be honest, U of M is a football school which hasn't been nationally relevant at football for a while.  Drew Sharp recognizes this and reports it the way anybody trying to objective would.  But that's a tough pill to swallow for most Michigan fans because unlike a sports journalist, fans have an emotional investment in the outcome of the season. 

 

Similarly the Wings are really no longer relevant in their sport.  Soon the media will hop off the bandwagon, get a little more critical, and acknowledge this fact too.  And I'd imagine all of us on this forum will be outraged in a similar way as you are when Sharp says something you don't like.  We already do when Eddie Olczyk or Ryan Lambert criticize the Wings.  But they don't have some bias.  They just aren't fans, so they see different things than we do and those things sometimes aren't very good.  And we don't like that. 


Edited by kipwinger, 16 July 2014 - 11:03 AM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 11:08 AM

 

Yep.  And I'm not really sure how the two things (liking Drew Sharp's articles and being a Michigan fan) are mutually exclusive.  I don't agree with some things he says, and I do agree with some things he says.  But I don't think he's got a vendetta out against the University, team, coaching staff, players, etc. 

 

To be honest, U of M is a football school which hasn't been nationally relevant at football for a while.  Drew Sharp recognizes this and reports it the way anybody trying to objective would.  But that's a tough pill to swallow for most Michigan fans because unlike a sports journalist, fans have an emotional investment in the outcome of the season. 

 

Similarly the Wings are really no longer relevant in their sport.  Soon the media will hop off the bandwagon, get a little more critical, and acknowledge this fact too.  And I'd imagine all of us on this forum will be outraged in a similar way as you are when Sharp says something you don't like.  We already do when Eddie Olczyk or Ryan Lambert criticize the Wings.  But they don't have some bias.  They just aren't fans, so they see different things than we do and those things sometimes aren't very good.  And we don't like that. 

hahahahahaha yeah OK. I think it would be safe to say that a much larger % of fans don't' agree with you on that. But hey it's your opinion. 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 11:25 AM

hahahahahaha yeah OK. I think it would be safe to say that a much larger % of fans don't' agree with you on that. But hey it's your opinion. 

 

I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about right now?  We both agree that Drew Sharp discusses Michigan as though they're not a very good football program.  He totally does that.  And what's more, that's a pretty accurate depiction of Michigan football currently.  I'd be way more suspect of a sports writer if they DID think Michigan was good.  They simply aren't right now.  They can't beat their biggest rivals, they aren't competing for National titles, and they seem utterly befuddled about the future of their program.  What's he supposed to say about them?  They're on the right track?

 

Surely you'd agree that when a team is bad, an objective sportscaster will say they're bad?  Likewise, when a team is good, someone trying to be objective will report that they're good?  Those are truisms.  It seems like you want Drew to say good things about a bad team, which would be insane. 


Edited by kipwinger, 16 July 2014 - 11:26 AM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 11:30 AM

 

I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about right now?  We both agree that Drew Sharp discusses Michigan as though they're not a very good football program.  He totally does that.  And what's more, that's a pretty accurate depiction of Michigan football currently.  I'd be way more suspect of a sports writer if they DID think Michigan was good.  They simply aren't right now.  They can't beat their biggest rivals, they aren't competing for National titles, and they seem utterly befuddled about the future of their program.  What's he supposed to say about them?  They're on the right track?

 

Surely you'd agree that when a team is bad, an objective sportscaster will say they're bad?  Likewise, when a team is good, someone trying to be objective will report that they're good?  Those are truisms.  It seems like you want Drew to say good things about a bad team, which would be insane. 

Go back and read my whole post. I know I updated it a few times. Again I'm fine with some one in the media saying that a team is bad when they are. I want that. But Drew takes it to a whole different level as you can see in his interviews and such. Like I said it's one thing to always take the road least traveled but don't be such a dick about it. When everything you post about a program is 90+% negative it's gets really old. And yes before you or anyone else says it I don't go out and search for his articles and try to never read any but its hard when you have a ton of fans saying the same things that I am about the guy.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 11:43 AM

The media plays an important role as an independent check on any organization that it's covering.  They're always disparaged, and 90% of the time they deserve it, but when they're doing their job everybody is thankful.  I'm sure, if they tried, everyone here can think of a time in which the public was introduced to some (very important) piece of information because a journalist was out there doing his or her job.  So this senseless media bashing is exactly that.

 

Having said that, I do think that there's some merit to this article.  If only to point out the utter ineptness of the local sports media, in particular.  Put aside the bloggers (I know, it's just opinion), or free agency preferences (I know, they're subjective), and all the recent stuff.  Set it aside.  And even then the recent loss of Tom Renney and hiring of Tony Granato got me thinking...do any of you recall seeing a single article about the decline of our powerplay?  Anybody remember that ever being a question asked of Babs or Holland?  This is just one example, I know, but our powerplay has been getting worse each year for a while now.  One of the justifications for signing Quincey, Sammy, and Alfie was that these guys would help on the powerplay.  The Detroit sports media regurgitated that fact ad nauseam.  And then...no results, and nobody asked a single question.  And this isn't something that involves much subjectivity the way free agency or trades do.  This is a fact. The powerplay stinks.  And nobody bothers to find out why.  If it's brought up at all, it's only to say "the powerplay is bad, here's Babs' or Hollands' ready made quote on the subject", which nobody bothers to follow up on.  Would it have killed someone over at Mlive to put in a call to Red Berensen, or Terry Murray, and see if they had any thoughts...ya know...being experts on the subject and all?  That's bad journalism. 

 

But can you really blame Khan, St. James, etc. for not asking?  Fans don't want that story.  Hell, the one and only writer in Detroit who isn't afraid to write unpopular articles (Drew Sharpe) is attacked endlessly by fans for being a troll, and then they complain about how no writers are willing to go against the grain.  Hmmm.

Sammy didn't play at all due to injuries, Alfie did help the powerplay while he was healthy and I never recall signing Quincey to help the power play.  WTF do you expect Babs or Holland to say?  Well, gee Keets, the powerplay sucks because Kenny isn't getting me quality players.  It has nothing to do with my ability to coach.  Or gee, that Renney clown has totally sucked ass and hasn't done a damn thing to help out this PP.  When guys like Tortorella ARE actually honest and berate others publicly, fans have a fit and it generally isn't received well be management. And who gives a flying f*** what Red Berensen's opinion of the Wings PP is?   He's a college coach that's a thousand years old.  Mickey Redmond often gives his opinion on things like this, as it is his job, and usually does so honestly without being overly critical of the organization that employs him.



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 11:54 AM

Sammy didn't play at all due to injuries, Alfie did help the powerplay while he was healthy and I never recall signing Quincey to help the power play.  WTF do you expect Babs or Holland to say?  Well, gee Keets, the powerplay sucks because Kenny isn't getting me quality players.  It has nothing to do with my ability to coach.  Or gee, that Renney clown has totally sucked ass and hasn't done a damn thing to help out this PP.  When guys like Tortorella ARE actually honest and berate others publicly, fans have a fit and it generally isn't received well be management. And who gives a flying f*** what Red Berensen's opinion of the Wings PP is?   He's a college coach that's a thousand years old.  Mickey Redmond often gives his opinion on things like this, as it is his job, and usually does so honestly without being overly critical of the organization that employs him.

 

I don't expect Babs or Holland to say "Renney sucks", I expect the reporters to say "Renney sucks" IF he actually does suck.  And to determine that, they should talk to people outside the organization, who nevertheless, actually might know something about hockey and powerplays.  Not simply repeat back what KH or Babs says, because as you've mentioned, those guys are DEFINITELY NOT going to say "Renney sucks"...even if it's true.  And they shouldn't be expected to do so.   

 

It's not like I'm asking them to perform some sort of journalistic black magic.  Verifying the accuracy of what's being told to you, and getting the thoughts of knowledgeable outsiders is standard practice for journalists. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:02 PM

Go back and read my whole post. I know I updated it a few times. Again I'm fine with some one in the media saying that a team is bad when they are. I want that. But Drew takes it to a whole different level as you can see in his interviews and such. Like I said it's one thing to always take the road least traveled but don't be such a **** about it. When everything you post about a program is 90+% negative it's gets really old. And yes before you or anyone else says it I don't go out and search for his articles and try to never read any but its hard when you have a ton of fans saying the same things that I am about the guy.

 

Look man, I'm not trying to talk you into liking Drew Sharp.  I honestly don't care if you like him or not.  I loathe Mitch Albom, there's nothing that anybody's going to say to make me like his articles, so I understand where you're coming from.  But what I would say is this.  A)  Being a dick, while irksome, doesn't mean he's got a bias against the team.  I know lots of dicks who are fans of the team.  The two things don't go together.  B)  As I've already said, 90% of fans don't like Drew because 90% of U of M fans LOVE that team...and he says bad things about the team.  It doesn't mean those things aren't true.  It just means they have an emotional investment in something he doesn't. 

 

It's like how pissed off parents would get if you criticized their kids.  It's not that their kids are infallible.  It's just that nobody likes hearing negativity directed at something they love.  But as a life long Michigan fan, I can say honestly, that a sober (and therefore negative since the team is bad) assessment of U of M football is not only justified but may actually be beneficial in the long run. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:03 PM

Drew Sharp is a d-bag who DOES in fact troll all things UofM. If you think otherwise then you haven't really seen him in action.


Lol god I remember some of his crap. This has been a well known fact for years.





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