Signed Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Wow! Talk about an over-reaction lol. Maybe if training cap starts and DD is not signed this point would have merit, but at this point nobody knows what is going on behind closed doors.

Yeah and that's why I'm starting to get worried.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Yip if you pay 4.25 for someone who was on waivers and then exist a much better defender to take less that's not gonna fly. DD knows it and so does his agent

[LeftWinger 4,949]

oh, but Danny should take less because Q and E have more seniority than he does. Oh, and its Detroit and he is a hometown kid, he should be honored to play here....blah, blah. Danny deserves more than Q because he is better.

[kliq 3,755]

While I do not love the Quincey signing, and I am NOT defending it. People need to realize that a UFA does command much more then an RFA. Especially when the RFA has not even yet played 82 games. (I am not saying Quincey is better or more valuable then DD, I am just saying that in hockey its all about what a player commands given his status)

Also, I don't think the Quincey deal has anything to do with DD not being signed yet. If Holland didn't sign Quincey, he probably would have gone out and signed or traded for another veteran D, If we landed Niskanen, Boyle, Erhoff etc. nothing today would be any different, if anything the cap situation would be even tighter. I think they are just waiting to see whats going on with Alfie to see how they can structure DD's contract......either way, lets just wait and see.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

While I do not love the Quincey signing, and I am NOT defending it. People need to realize that a UFA does command much more then an RFA. Especially when the RFA has not even yet played 82 games. (I am not saying Quincey is better or more valuable then DD, I am just saying that in hockey its all about what a player commands given his status)

Also, I don't think the Quincey deal has anything to do with DD not being signed yet. If Holland didn't sign Quincey, he probably would have gone out and signed or traded for another veteran D, If we landed Niskanen, Boyle, Erhoff etc. nothing today would be any different, if anything the cap situation would be even tighter. I think they are just waiting to see whats going on with Alfie to see how they can structure DD's contract......either way, lets just wait and see.

Jake Gardiner ? 5 years 20,2 million

Justin Schultz ? 3,675 million for 1 year

and I think Danny is at least on par with both of these guys, both were RFAs. Fact is no matter how people are going to slice the deal it was a bad one and will hurt the team going forward but it's not something that one of the new core players should have to suffer from. Players are for sure looking around the league/own team and compare themselves to other player so yeah Danny for sure is in the 4 million + range as a defender, also a Michigan boy he is important for the team identification too so even in a loyality standpoint he has some value.

But whatever I just hope it gets done and he doesn't miss training camp

[kliq 3,755]

Jake Gardiner ? 5 years 20,2 million

Justin Schultz ? 3,675 million for 1 year

and I think Danny is at least on par with both of these guys, both were RFAs. Fact is no matter how people are going to slice the deal it was a bad one and will hurt the team going forward but it's not something that one of the new core players should have to suffer from. Players are for sure looking around the league/own team and compare themselves to other player so yeah Danny for sure is in the 4 million + range as a defender, also a Michigan boy he is important for the team identification too so even in a loyality standpoint he has some value.

But whatever I just hope it gets done and he doesn't miss training camp

I don't watch these guys play often, so I'm by no means an expert regarding these two players. But from what I know they both are better then Quincey, and they both are being paid less then him. Kind of my point that UFA's are paid more the RFA's.

Gardiner has 3 full NHL seasons under his belt, Schultz has two. DD hasn't even played 82 games yet. This indicates to me that DD will get something like 3 years at 10-12 million or 1 year 3.5 million. Less per year, but maybe more term then Schultz since Holland really seems to love this kid, while Edmonton is a mess. Something that the Wings should easily be able to do cap wise despite Quincey.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Quincey isn't the issue for cap space anyway, Cleary is. After he gets his 10 games in, and you know he will, they'll be having a guy who shouldn't be in the NHL taking up $2.5 mil in cap space. Quincey might be overpaid for what he brings, although the market dictated that was the going rate, but at least he's going to be a regular.

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

Does anyone think that DeKeyser isn't signed yet because they still don't know the status of Alfredsson? Signing one, or both of them could dictate the amount and length of the deal. If Alfredsson signs for 1 year, they could tell DeKeyser to take a 1 year 2 million deal and then sign long term but if Alfredsson retires then they could offer 5 years at 3.5 per or something along those terms.

[nawein 324]

^^ yes.

I still think it's fine.. With Alfie saying he'll decide before camp, it gives me more confidence in the dk signing getting done. I fully expect that if Alfie signs, since we'll have less space, Dk will get a bridge deal. If Alfie doesn't, I think we'll lock Dekeyser up long term.

[Rivalred 630]

Dekeyser will be locked up long term, just depends on when; Wings Brass basically know he is the 2nd best d man on the team behind Kronwall, if not the best, and due to the teams current situation with lack of stability at D, they cannot afford to let him walk.

Edited September 8, 2014 by Rivalred

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

Dekeyser will be locked up long term, just depends on when; Wings Brass basically know is is the 2nd best d man on the team behind Kronwall, if not the best, and due to the teams current situation with lack of stability at D, they cannot afford to let him walk.

Definitely not better than kronwall, and it's up for debate if he's even Ericsson level quite yet. But he's definitely going to be a top pair guy soon.

[Hey man nice shot! 144]

Definitely not better than kronwall, and it's up for debate if he's even Ericsson level quite yet. But he's definitely going to be a top pair guy soon.

dd's evolution is up in the air...this year will be more of a indication of what to expect going forward.

[Rivalred 630]

Definitely not better than kronwall, and it's up for debate if he's even Ericsson level quite yet. But he's definitely going to be a top pair guy soon.

I am not going to argue semantics and how DD has played, but he is very good and if he grows more as player, he will give Kronwall a run in comparison. Edited September 8, 2014 by Rivalred

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

I am not going to argue semantics and how DD has played, but he is very good and if he grows more as player, he will give Kronwall a run in comparison.

That's exactly what I was saying. Glad were on the same page, it's still too soon to say he is top 2 on our team. This year as has been pointed out already will give us a much better look at what he can do.

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

@CraigCustance: Niklas Kronwall said he expects DeKeyser deal is down to final details. "I think he'll be at camp."

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Dekeyser won't ever put up the points to be a #1.

[number9 3,297]

Dekeyser won't ever put up the points to be a #1.

Only a sith deals in absolutes

[ogreslayer 1,069]

Only a sith deals in absolutes

And saying so is an absolute, which in turn means you're Sith?

[number9 3,297]

And saying so is an absolute, which in turn means you're Sith?

uh oh plot hole

[Mckinley25 677]

uh oh plot hole

And that sums up the entire prequel trilogy.

[ogreslayer 1,069]

And that sums up the entire prequel trilogy.

There were many more things wrong with the prequels beyond the plot holes. I mean really, they could have signed Dan Cleary to play a role in them & it would have been an improvement.

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

There were many more things wrong with the prequels beyond the plot holes. I mean really, they could have signed Dan Cleary to play a role in them & it would have been an improvement.

Jarjar baby, it's all about the jarjar

[wings4thecup06 504]

A tremendous well done to HSJ for stirring the pot again....

http://www.freep.com/article/20140910/SPORTS05/309100164

[GoWings1905 2,694]

A tremendous well done to HSJ for stirring the pot again....

http://www.freep.com/article/20140910/SPORTS05/309100164

She's essentially Ken Holland, in the form of a "reporter." I can read press releases and Holland's tireless quotes if I want the organizational spin.

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

Khan's take:

@AnsarKhanMLive: The latest on contracts talks between the Wings and Danny DeKeyser: http://t.co/W01ZkEU5B5