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this quote is destined to become a classic in Ken Holland statements. This one is about Dekeyser contract talks

"Either we'll find a solution before camp or we won't."

Seriously Kenny, seriously?

Playing hardball with the future of your defense and a local boy wow

Good do I miss the Holland of 2001 and the late 90s that's was a GM deserving the titles mastermind and best GM in all of hockey

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Playing hardball with the future of your defense and a local boy wowGood do I miss the Holland of 2001 and the late 90s that's was a GM deserving the titles mastermind and best GM in all of hockey

You mean the pre salary cap Ken Holland? The one with unlimited resources to get whoever he wanted?

He's trying to get him on a good contact. It's hard because of the circumstances. What do you pay a top 4 young defenseman who wasn't drafted, came out of college, and has only played like 80 NHL games? Who knows. My guess is around 3 million on a 2 or 3 year deal. But it's not that easy. And how do you know Holland is the one paying hardball? He could be offering good deals and DK could be turning them down. Who knows what's going on.

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This is ALL on Holland. He cannot continue to believe that players should take discounts because "We Are Detroit" or they are local kids. The ONLY players that come here for discounts or re-sign here anymore are players that either have had their longer career's here or players that cannot get signed ny anyone else, plus, for some reason, Holland OVERPAYS his useless vet's and low-balls his top talented RFA's when the market dictates otherwise. Danny D should get and deserves to get paid like comparable RFA defensemen out there PLUS get paid better than players that are WORSE than he is. There is no way Danny D should deservedly get less money than Kindl, Quincey OR Ericsson. Way to treat one of the ONLY players to choose Detroit over everyone else, even if it meant passing up better places to play. Way to show this kid, who is arguably the best defenseman you have on the team (or don't have yet) that you intend to make him feel wanted for life. I don't blame Danny if he just hold's out as long as it takes to get a deal, then split when he is a UFA. Holland continues to prove to everyone that his priorities are out of whack. He needs to give Danny a similar contract to Gardiner and then deal with waiving Q or K if it comes down to re-signing Alfie at an over-inflated contract. Danny D is going to be the leader of the future D-Corps, now is not the time to sour your relationship with him...and I wouldn't doubt that behind closed doors, the relationship is going south...I only wish my buddy still dated his sister maybe I could get some inside thoughts on their opinions of Holland's negotiation tactics now! :lol:

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This is ALL on Holland. He cannot continue to believe that players should take discounts because "We Are Detroit" or they are local kids. The ONLY players that come here for discounts or re-sign here anymore are players that either have had their longer career's here or players that cannot get signed ny anyone else, plus, for some reason, Holland OVERPAYS his useless vet's and low-balls his top talented RFA's when the market dictates otherwise. Danny D should get and deserves to get paid like comparable RFA defensemen out there PLUS get paid better than players that are WORSE than he is. There is no way Danny D should deservedly get less money than Kindl, Quincey OR Ericsson. Way to treat one of the ONLY players to choose Detroit over everyone else, even if it meant passing up better places to play. Way to show this kid, who is arguably the best defenseman you have on the team (or don't have yet) that you intend to make him feel wanted for life. I don't blame Danny if he just hold's out as long as it takes to get a deal, then split when he is a UFA. Holland continues to prove to everyone that his priorities are out of whack. He needs to give Danny a similar contract to Gardiner and then deal with waiving Q or K if it comes down to re-signing Alfie at an over-inflated contract. Danny D is going to be the leader of the future D-Corps, now is not the time to sour your relationship with him...and I wouldn't doubt that behind closed doors, the relationship is going south...I only wish my buddy still dated his sister maybe I could get some inside thoughts on their opinions of Holland's negotiation tactics now! :lol:

DD is an undrafted player with less than a full season's worth of games played who has limited offensive upside and still has work to do defensively and getting stronger. Those aren't the guys you sign to 6 year $30 mil contracts.

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^ Exactly.

I love DD but if any of you armchair GMs think it's easy to negotiate a contract with a kid who has only played 70 games or whatever, then you're snorting the crack dust, plain and simple.

To me, DD is to the D what Tatar is to the offence. Both have had similar career arcs so far, except Tatar has a Calder Cup MVP under his belt and almost scored 20 last year in his first almost full season.

If you ask me, something like 2.75-3M/year for 3 years would have gotten this deal done a month ago. I have a hard time thinking Holland wouldn't offer that. Makes me think that it's DD's camp that is being unrealistic, not Holland.

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I could be wrong, but I'm thinking DD would've taken that offer ($2.75 to $3 million per season for 3 seasons), but I'm guessing Holland is looking to offer less since DD is a RFA.

We obviously don't know what's going behind the scenes, but this is exactly what I feared...One of our more promising Dmen not getting signed, and potentially sitting out for some time.

Exactly, this off season has been the worst in almost 2 decades if Danny has to sit out now and god forbid miss training camp, the defense will take a huge hit.

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It was definitely a small sample size with Dekeyser, but I think him being 24 years old and playing 4 years in college helps with that. He's not some 19 year old kid. I also think his performance last season is being understated a bit. It's in great part due to Ericsson's injury but Dekeyser was arguably the 2nd most important defenseman on the team.

Among Wings d-men:

23 points, only 5 of which came on the PP. (2nd only to Kronwall's 49, 25 of which were on the PP)

21:38 minutes a game (2nd only to Kronwall's 24:18)

averaged 2:13 per game on the PK and 1:34 on the PP

+10 (tops among Wings defenseman)

30 PIMs (lower than everyone but Kindl, who plays significantly fewer minutes)

It is only 81 games total in the NHL, but he was thrown in the deep end as a rookie and handled himself admirably (think Kindl or Smith for examples of how else it could've gone). He played big minutes and played all roles on the ice. The question is obviously how much will he improve, but I'd be surprised if he took any steps backwards.

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I could be wrong, but I'm thinking DD would've taken that offer ($2.75 to $3 million per season for 3 seasons), but I'm guessing Holland is looking to offer less since DD is a RFA.

We obviously don't know what's going behind the scenes, but this is exactly what I feared...One of our more promising Dmen not getting signed, and potentially sitting out for some time.

Holland has shown a history of paying for potential (See: Kronwall, Filpulla) with hopes that the player grows into the contract. This is a fact.

Obviously the Holland haters are hoping that Kenny offered him 100 dollars/year so that they can be even angrier at the man.

But the truth of the matter is, DD's agent is most likely asking for 4M/per.

Like I said, with Holland's mostly spotless history of dealing with RFAs, ypu have to think that the friction is coming from the DeKeyser camp.

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A bit off topic...

DD didn't get to spend any time with Lids - unlike Ericsson, and Kronwall - he was thrown in full speed ahead, and didn't look outta place one bit.

IMHO - he's our 2nd best Dman, and with Ericsson questionable...Well - Holland better get this kid signed.

Exactly I would go as far and say that in 2 years tops he is going to be our best defenseman if he continues his amazing progress. The problem with Holland is he is overpaying for the false guys and low balling the players he should overpay (including top UFAs :( ).

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Holland has shown a history of paying for potential (See: Kronwall, Filpulla) with hopes that the player grows into the contract. This is a fact.

Obviously the Holland haters are hoping that Kenny offered him 100 dollars/year so that they can be even angrier at the man.

But the truth of the matter is, DD's agent is most likely asking for 4M/per.

Like I said, with Holland's mostly spotless history of dealing with RFAs, ypu have to think that the friction is coming from the DeKeyser camp.

You take a potshot at Holland haters but follow it with your own completely unfounded comment about Dekeyser asking for $4 mill a year.

Unless you have a source for that?

For all we know after the mistake he made with Kindl's contract, Holland could be playing it more conservatively with RFA D-men.

The actual truth of the matter is we have no idea what's going on with Dekeyser's contract negotiations. It's between Holland and his agent.

What I do know is that Dekeyser has quickly become a crucial part of the Wings defense and I sure hope they get him signed ASAP.

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You take a potshot at Holland haters but follow it with your own completely unfounded comment about Dekeyser asking for $4 mill a year.

Unless you have a source for that?

For all we know after the mistake he made with Kindl's contract, Holland could be playing it more conservatively with RFA D-men.

The actual truth of the matter is we have no idea what's going on with Dekeyser's contract negotiations. It's between Holland and his agent.

What I do know is that Dekeyser has quickly become a crucial part of the Wings defense and I sure hope they get him signed ASAP.

This is precisely what I think has happened. They signed Kindl to a relatively lucrative contract at the time, and last season got burned with what is possibly an immoveable contract, or at least one that will not be easy to ship out.

The last thing KH wants is to really strap the teams finances down by signing DK to a $4m deal for 3-4 years only for him to flop next year and become the next Maxim Kuznetsov.

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Holland has shown a history of paying for potential (See: Kronwall, Filpulla) with hopes that the player grows into the contract. This is a fact.

Obviously the Holland haters are hoping that Kenny offered him 100 dollars/year so that they can be even angrier at the man.

But the truth of the matter is, DD's agent is most likely asking for 4M/per.

Like I said, with Holland's mostly spotless history of dealing with RFAs, ypu have to think that the friction is coming from the DeKeyser camp.

Also, Holland said in an interview recently "It takes two to make a deal." Holland rarely makes negative public comments about negotiations. It really sounds to me more like DD's agent is the one causing this delay.

But anyway, they're having the same argument we are: he's played great and been given a large role, but hasn't played that long in the league. It really is a hard negotiating situation since the are few comparables and it's hard to judge risk. Yes, he stepped in to the NHL without the usual growing pains and looks like he'll only get better, but he's dealt with some injuries and we just haven't seen all that much of him.

I'm predicting DD is there for the beginning of camp.

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He's an RFA with less than a year's experience in the NHL. Regardless of how good a season Dekeyser had, it's not like he has much bargaining power to work with.

True, but you have to look at this team's current defensive corps, especially after Holland failed to land a UFA.

Now take Dekeyser out of that group. Pretty grim.

He doesn't have a ton of bargaining power, but he does have some given how much the Wings need him.

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