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Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

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A lot less than I thought also now it's quite clear what cost the delay - lowballing.

If the guy continues to play this well his next contract will be a huge one that's for sure if he wants to stay. Danny gave a huge hometown discount here just so he can attend the camp what a player what a person..

So now he should be good to go for the camp book him a flight + room and let's start training camp.

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Holland being stingy with quality RFA's...Hard to imagine :lol:

And I'm sure DD did as well.

All in all - I'm happy a deal is done.

Same here thought he could get as much as 4 mill aav he is obviously worth it if you are looking at some of the other contracts.

Anyway glad he is signed and will be part of the team for at least another 2 years.

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Never in doubt.

For anyone keeping track, that's DD + Tatar + Sheahan all wrapped up for less than 6M/year.

Hollands RFA dealings continue to be impeccable.

A lot of people posting about how he was low balled, but not one praising Holland for getting him so cheap? Anyway will this deal end with him being an RFA or a UFA?

Exactly. Now the talk will be about how DeKeyser will walk in 2 years because Holland low-balled him. Anyway, moving on, I'm glad the deal is done.

If Alfie does retire this gives Holland a little cap space if he could ever swing that deal for a top four D man.

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A lot less than I thought also now it's quite clear what cost the delay - lowballing.

If the guy continues to play this well his next contract will be a huge one that's for sure if he wants to stay. Danny gave a huge hometown discount here just so he can attend the camp what a player what a person..

So now he should be good to go for the camp book him a flight + room and let's start training camp.

Define "lowballing." As has been stated multiple times, Dekeyser had almost no leverage, and there's not track record and few comparables. He got a bit less than I thought, but not much. And his next contract will only be a huge one if he developps offense and isn't passed by a couple other prospects.

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So glad the deal is done, but it being held up for so long is a real head-scratcher. I guess I'll subscribe to the "didn't want to take less than Kindl" theory, but really... he couldn't just give him this deal earlier in the summer? Weird situation, IMO.

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Never in doubt.

For anyone keeping track, that's DD + Tatar + Sheahan all wrapped up for less than 6M/year.

Hollands RFA dealings continue to be impeccable.

Exactly. Now the talk will be about how DeKeyser will walk in 2 years because Holland low-balled him. Anyway, moving on, I'm glad the deal is done.

If Alfie does retire this gives Holland a little cap space if he could ever swing that deal for a top four D man.

So you're complaining about some possible future complaining? Not really a whole lot better.

And you're also ignoring that you basically blamed Dekeyser for the holdup with zero information, which is no different than those blaming Holland on no information.

^ Exactly.

I love DD but if any of you armchair GMs think it's easy to negotiate a contract with a kid who has only played 70 games or whatever, then you're snorting the crack dust, plain and simple.

To me, DD is to the D what Tatar is to the offence. Both have had similar career arcs so far, except Tatar has a Calder Cup MVP under his belt and almost scored 20 last year in his first almost full season.

If you ask me, something like 2.75-3M/year for 3 years would have gotten this deal done a month ago. I have a hard time thinking Holland wouldn't offer that. Makes me think that it's DD's camp that is being unrealistic, not Holland.

Had Holland made that offer you were right that it likely would've been done a month ago, but Holland wasn't offering that. Seeing what Dekeyser signed for, it's pretty obvious that he wasn't major holdup.

And to be overly, explicitly, redundantly clear. I'm not blaming Holland for how things went. Dekeyser got signed in time for camp, and for less than I would've expected. In a couple years if he develops into the solid player it looks like he will be, I'm guessing he'll get his pay day. Can't wait to start the season.

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So you're complaining about some possible future complaining? Not really a whole lot better.

And you're also ignoring that you basically blamed Dekeyser for the holdup with zero information, which is no different than those blaming Holland on no information.

Had Holland made that offer you were right that it likely would've been done a month ago, but Holland wasn't offering that. Seeing what Dekeyser signed for, it's pretty obvious that he wasn't major holdup.

Possible future complaining? It already started with the "He's gonna demand a ton after this deal"

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Exactly I would go as far and say that in 2 years tops he is going to be our best defenseman if he continues his amazing progress. The problem with Holland is he is overpaying for the false guys and low balling the players he should overpay (including top UFAs :( ).

Amazing progress? He's a developing 2nd pair D. He's still skinny, he doesn't have high level offensive upside, and he's still learning how to play D at the NHL level. He might be an ok #2 someday, but that's the very top end of his ceiling. There's no way he can develop the offense to be a #1 guy, and he's probably going to be passed by at least one of the prospects before too long.

So glad the deal is done, but it being held up for so long is a real head-scratcher. I guess I'll subscribe to the "didn't want to take less than Kindl" theory, but really... he couldn't just give him this deal earlier in the summer? Weird situation, IMO.

Like Holland said, it takes two to get a deal done. I can't believe that if Dekeyser was willing to sign this 2 months ago it wouldn't have been done then. He was probably trying to put some pressure on the Wings by waiting until now hoping they'd give him more money. Maybe they did up the offer a bit, but probably not much.

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Good deal, although I think a longer term might have been better. It would have let the Wings save some cap space for the future, now if he continues to progress he will probably earn 5-7 mil in 2 years after current deal is up.

Now thinking about it the hold-up might have been Holland trying to sign DD to a longer deal at a smaller cap, and DD may have been happier with a shorter deal--which gives him the possibility to make more after this deal is up. I don't know-- I'm just happy it's done.

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As I mentioned earlier - had DD been offered what some thought would be a 'fair' deal ($2.75 to $3 million per season) - I'm certain he would've signed.

Again - it was Holland who was lowballing, but ya can't blame him since he had the leverage.

How in the world can you prove Holland lowballed him?

Perhaps DD, the loyal Michigander and Wings fan that he is, wanted to get something locked up long term? Maybe Ken got cold feet on a long deal after signing Kindl? Maybe the entire delay was over term, with which they finally agreed on 2 years after adjusting the financials?

Or maybe not one of us has any idea whatsoever?

Good deal IMO

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First glance, it seemed like a bit of an underpayment to me, but when you look at the cap comparable players it makes sense. Luca Sbisa, T.J. Brodie, Chris Tanev, Dmitry Orlov... all guys are 23-24 and have that possible upside. Not necessarily the same situations, but similar age and arguably, potential. It's a good deal.

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As I mentioned earlier - had DD been offered what some thought would be a 'fair' deal ($2.75 to $3 million per season) - I'm certain he would've signed.

Again - it was Holland who was lowballing, but ya can't blame him since he had the leverage.

DD is arguably our 2nd best Dman as of right now...Mind you he never had the privilege of playing/being mentored by Lids.

Regardless of his offensive output - he's one of our most consistent Dmen on a nightly basis.

His positioning still isn't where it needs to be, and a lot of his mistakes seem to get overlooked by people who would scream bloody murder if Ericsson, Smith, etc. had done it. He's also physically weak and loses puck battles as a result. Kronwall is far better, as is Ericsson.

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Possible future complaining? It already started with the "He's gonna demand a ton after this deal"

What post are you referring to?

And that really is a complaint to you? If Dekeyser develops in the next couple years then he will very likely get a big payday next time. It's off-handed speculation that's based on history. It's the nature of bridge deals.

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His positioning still isn't where it needs to be, and a lot of his mistakes seem to get overlooked by people who would scream bloody murder if Ericsson, Smith, etc. had done it. He's also physically weak and loses puck battles as a result. Kronwall is far better, as is Ericsson.

People scream bloody murder if E or Smith make them because they make the boneheaded mistakes every single game. Sure DK makes them. Kronwall makes them too. But they don't make them every game. I don't sit there and think "what the hell are you doing?" every game like I do with Ericsson and Smith. Sure he has room for improvement, but right now I think without a doubt he's our second best defenseman.

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Awesome to finally hear it, and I think it's an entirely fair deal as well. Yeah, he's our second/third best defensman, but that's given a sample size of one season. It's also on a defensive core that isn't too impressive personelle wise. A two year deal gives the organization some time to see what kind of player this kid will actually turn out to be, and the plus for Dekeyser is that he should be approaching his prime when it's time to write the next contract (read: $$$). Meanwhile, Holland still has some cash to work with, depending on if Alfie plays, or perhaps some moves at the deadline.

edit: according to puckdaddy, the main sticking point seemed to be a long term contract vs a shorter term, with Dekeyser wanting to be locked up long-term. Also, I didn't realize he will still be an RFA when this contract expires??

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/danny-dekeyser-finds-free-agent-solution--signs-2-year-deal-with-detroit-230044861.html

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A lot less than I thought also now it's quite clear what cost the delay - lowballing.

If the guy continues to play this well his next contract will be a huge one that's for sure if he wants to stay. Danny gave a huge hometown discount here just so he can attend the camp what a player what a person..

So now he should be good to go for the camp book him a flight + room and let's start training camp.

What post are you referring to?

And that really is a complaint to you? If Dekeyser develops in the next couple years then he will very likely get a big payday next time. It's off-handed speculation that's based on history. It's the nature of bridge deals.

Yes it is.

Any player who plays better gets better deals.... duh

Signing DD to this term at this price is GREAT. Complaining about his possible next deal, when he hasn't even played one game under this deal, already, is just digging for something to be mad about.

Couple that with the ridiculous "Holland's a low-baller" speak going around, and yeah it's annoying.

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Yes it is.

Any player who plays better gets better deals.... duh

Signing DD to this term at this price is GREAT. Complaining about his possible next deal, when he hasn't even played one game under this deal, already, is just digging for something to be mad about.

Couple that with the ridiculous "Holland's a low-baller" speak going around, and yeah it's annoying.

No, it really isn't. If that's what you consider complaining, no wonder you think everyone here was doing it. It was an offhanded comment in a post. Other people were speculating that Dekeyser's camp was holding up negotiations but that wasn't complaining to you.

And do you think you're improving the nature of discourse here with your sarcasm and condescension?

Let me make this clear to everyone here for the millionth time.

If you don't like a post about someone criticizing the Wings and feel compelled to respond, politely refute the points they are making. DO NOT insult or attack them personally. If you are unable to respond without doing that, simply ignore the post or put that member on ignore so you won't see any of their posts.

Like it or not, criticism and complaining can be on topic. However, complaining about complaining or insulting how someone posts is never on topic. Ever. Posts that are complaints about other posts will be deleted. If the mods repeatedly have to delete posts by the same member, that person will be suspended.

If you think LGW has gotten too negative, complaining about it only adds to the negativity. Instead try making a thoughtful and constructive post about hockey that makes the site a little better.

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No, it really isn't. If that's what you consider complaining, no wonder you think everyone here was doing it. It was an offhanded comment in a post. Other people were speculating that Dekeyser's camp was holding up negotiations but that wasn't complaining to you.

And do you think you're improving the nature of discourse here with your sarcasm and condescension?

Let me make this clear to everyone here for the millionth time.

If you don't like a post about someone criticizing the Wings and feel compelled to respond, politely refute the points they are making. DO NOT insult or attack them personally. If you are unable to respond without doing that, simply ignore the post or put that member on ignore so you won't see any of their posts.

Like it or not, criticism and complaining can be on topic. However, complaining about complaining or insulting how someone posts is never on topic. Ever. Posts that are complaints about other posts will be deleted. If the mods repeatedly have to delete posts by the same member, that person will be suspended.

If you think LGW has gotten too negative, complaining about it only adds to the negativity. Instead try making a thoughtful and constructive post about hockey that makes the site a little better.

It is. But that's being done a lot less, and Dekeyser's camp also doesn't have a large following of fans who look for reasons to hate everything they do.

In regards to everything else, yup ok.

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