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#61 number9

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:14 PM

I'm not following it either, unless it's just a simple comparison that both are defensive minded d-men. The similarities really end there, though. DeKeyser is a terrific skater and puck mover. Stuart was physical and a great shot blocker on the PK. Two pretty different players and skill sets, IMO.


That's exactly what I'm pointing at. Id like to see DD bulk up and be our new stewie. I don't think he'll ever be an O minded guy.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:59 PM

I actually think that as DeKeyser's confidence builds, his possession of the puck is going to increase. I doubt he's going to pick up plenty of points or throw a ton of hits, but he's going to be very good positionally and minimize his mistakes. If anything, I feel like he's got a good chance to develop into a Vlasic type player.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:22 PM

I actually think that as DeKeyser's confidence builds, his possession of the puck is going to increase. I doubt he's going to pick up plenty of points or throw a ton of hits, but he's going to be very good positionally and minimize his mistakes. If anything, I feel like he's got a good chance to develop into a Vlasic type player.


Well as the season went on he seemed to get better offensively so I wouldn't be surprised if he put up 30-35 points next year.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:22 PM

No worries they'll sign. Holland doesn't sign over priced UFA's for this reason. There's more then enough cap room to sign Tatar and DeKeyser, then Nyquist and Smith next off season.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:36 AM

Well as the season went on he seemed to get better offensively so I wouldn't be surprised if he put up 30-35 points next year.

 

I don't doubt he'd be able to do it with the proper PP time, but I'm not sure he'll get it. Most of his 23 points were ES, but so were Smith's - to push to that 30-35 point mark, he'd need consistent time on the PP, I think.

 

I hope Smith gets his proper shot on the PP this year, as I think that's where his value lies. Kronwall and Kindl are mainstays, as long as Kindl's in the line-up, and I think the team has enough forwards who might play the point on the PP.

I guess we'll see, but I think that DD's talents should be more focused on minute eating and the PK next season, while some of the more offensively inclined guys should work the PP. Just my two cents.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 08:27 AM

Kindl's gonna go on waivers cause they can't trade him and Smith will get 2nd PP time.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:20 AM

Kindl's gonna go on waivers cause they can't trade him and Smith will get 2nd PP time.

Then Kindl goes to a couple teams in the west and improves greatly - then Holland desperately trades a 1st round pick at the trade deadline for him and then Kindl stinks up the joint here again and gets re-signed for 4.25mill.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:25 AM

No worries they'll sign. Holland doesn't sign over priced UFA's for this reason. There's more then enough cap room to sign Tatar and DeKeyser, then Nyquist and Smith next off season.


You are aware he offered a ton of money for Niskanen and more than Boyle received from the Rangers? Just because Holland doesn't know why free agents aren't coming here doesn't mean he hasn't been trying.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 12:21 PM

Kindl's gonna go on waivers cause they can't trade him and Smith will get 2nd PP time.

 

You really think they'd waive him? I don't think there's a chance at this point. I know they want one of the kids to play, but I don't think they'll just lose Kindl for nothing. Doesn't seem like Holland's style. They'll likely run Paetsch-Ouellet, Evans-Sproul and Backman-Marchenko in GR, and let Jensen and Nedomlel bounce between the AHL/ECHL.

 

You are aware he offered a ton of money for Niskanen and more than Boyle received from the Rangers? Just because Holland doesn't know why free agents aren't coming here doesn't mean he hasn't been trying.

Besides, how do you not classify Quincey as an overpriced UFA?

 

Exactly what I was thinking when I saw that. But he's OUR overpriced UFA...  :glare:



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:06 PM

Yea they won't let a former first round pick just go away for nothing. Especially not after the Quincey debacle. I could see them trading him away for maybe like a 5th or 6th rounder, but they wouldn't just let him go like that. 


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 06:14 PM

Yea they won't let a former first round pick just go away for nothing. Especially not after the Quincey debacle. I could see them trading him away for maybe like a 5th or 6th rounder, but they wouldn't just let him go like that. 

 

Why would any GM give up anything for Kindl and his contract when a guy like Del Zotto is available for free and on a lesser contract.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 06:04 AM

 

You really think they'd waive him? I don't think there's a chance at this point. I know they want one of the kids to play, but I don't think they'll just lose Kindl for nothing. Doesn't seem like Holland's style. They'll likely run Paetsch-Ouellet, Evans-Sproul and Backman-Marchenko in GR, and let Jensen and Nedomlel bounce between the AHL/ECHL.

 

 

Exactly what I was thinking when I saw that. But he's OUR overpriced UFA...  :glare:

 

Kindl is a goner.  He was sat in a crucial final playoff game because he was terrible, for an UNTRIED PROSPECT.  And the prospect played better than Kindl.  They'll waive him and lose him for nothing because no one wants him.  Or he will bolt to the KHL.  If I were a betting man I'd say he's not in their plans for the future.  And we have lost players for nothing.  Quite a few times, so it wouldn't surprise me to lose him for nothing.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 06:21 AM

 

You really think they'd waive him? I don't think there's a chance at this point. I know they want one of the kids to play, but I don't think they'll just lose Kindl for nothing. Doesn't seem like Holland's style. They'll likely run Paetsch-Ouellet, Evans-Sproul and Backman-Marchenko in GR, and let Jensen and Nedomlel bounce between the AHL/ECHL.

 

 

Exactly what I was thinking when I saw that. But he's OUR overpriced UFA...  :glare:

If the Wings can't trade Kindl than yes I feel they may waive him.  If no other team wants him then why would the Wings?  Let him go down to GR and then fizzle out to Europe.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:06 AM

Well  even if you technically lose him for nothing, it gives us a free roster spot to feel while it may not be much at least it's something. Also DeKeyser is simple a must sign,  very steady defender who just needs to bulk up more and he will only get better, plus he is a michigan boy AND young.

 

With some of the contracts given out this year it really wouldn't surprise me if he gets - and deserves - around 4 mill per.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:27 AM

...after the #KFQ signing I doubt the Wings would want to afford another $4M+ a year defenseman.  I think Diesel can be had for $2.5M to $3.5M on a two to three year bridge contract.  He will still be an RFA after that and can then get a nice fat contract that will bring him into UFA territory.  His next contract, if all progresses then way we all hope it does, will be in the $5M to more range.  I just don't think he should get a $4M+ contract right now.  I don't know why #KFQ got that much, but he is most definitely NOT worth that even on the open market and at this moment Diesel is not quite to Kronwall status on this team.  I say two years $2.75 per and then the next RFA signing will be his big one...then I dread the UFA days to come.

 

I don't think Tatar should get more the $1.5M.  IF he turns that down and opts for arbitration and handcuffs Holland, I will be putting him the Hudler category.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

I still think Holland will get them both signed for under $4M, and possibly around the $3M range. My bet is still around $1.25M - $1.5M for Tatar and $1.75M - $2M for DeKeyser



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 11:24 AM

...after the #KFQ signing I doubt the Wings would want to afford another $4M+ a year defenseman.  I think Diesel can be had for $2.5M to $3.5M on a two to three year bridge contract.  He will still be an RFA after that and can then get a nice fat contract that will bring him into UFA territory.  His next contract, if all progresses then way we all hope it does, will be in the $5M to more range.  I just don't think he should get a $4M+ contract right now.  I don't know why #KFQ got that much, but he is most definitely NOT worth that even on the open market and at this moment Diesel is not quite to Kronwall status on this team.  I say two years $2.75 per and then the next RFA signing will be his big one...then I dread the UFA days to come.

 

I don't think Tatar should get more the $1.5M.  IF he turns that down and opts for arbitration and handcuffs Holland, I will be putting him the Hudler category.

 

From what I know Diesel is the nickname for that Oilers pick. Anyway if the Dekeyser camp asks for 4 mill per and deservingly so,  Holland only has himself to blame because HE signed Quincey to that 8.5 tow year deal. You don't piss off RFA's with lowball offers like that.

 

Tatar will for sure get more than 1.5 per. If things are going really really well I could maybe see both settleing in on around 3,25 per which I would consider a steal.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:09 PM

...after the #KFQ signing I doubt the Wings would want to afford another $4M+ a year defenseman.  I think Diesel can be had for $2.5M to $3.5M on a two to three year bridge contract.  He will still be an RFA after that and can then get a nice fat contract that will bring him into UFA territory.  His next contract, if all progresses then way we all hope it does, will be in the $5M to more range.  I just don't think he should get a $4M+ contract right now.  I don't know why #KFQ got that much, but he is most definitely NOT worth that even on the open market and at this moment Diesel is not quite to Kronwall status on this team.  I say two years $2.75 per and then the next RFA signing will be his big one...then I dread the UFA days to come.

 

I don't think Tatar should get more the $1.5M.  IF he turns that down and opts for arbitration and handcuffs Holland, I will be putting him the Hudler category.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

 

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:14 PM

Looking at what Quincey got is really not a good comparison due to his UFA status.  UFA eligibility is a seriously negotiated term of the CBA as compensation coming out of UFA is significantly different than a RFA.  That's just the way it is.  It is something you need to "earn" - goes beyond just your ability on the ice.  Danny has played a total of 76 games in the NHL, I'd be pretty hesitant in handing out a fat contract.



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:24 PM

 

Am I missing something here?

 

 

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Wasn't he always billed as being from Detroit?

 

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