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#101 vladdy16

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:41 PM

Do we really need to keep rehashing the same joke over and over again?

No, we don't.  The next one will be dealt with swiftly.


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#102 Crashnburnluder

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:47 PM

Not sure if this was posted or not

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:05 PM

I like this concept 

New-Detroit-Arena-Concept-Cross-Section.Looks like 1/4 will be under ground and keeping a low ceiling. One of my favorite part of the Joe is how low the ceiling is. When the Joe is rocking it is the loudest hockey area I have been in.

I like the fact that Stevie Y is on the 'Jumbotron'.


Edited by F.Michael, 21 July 2014 - 09:07 PM.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:09 PM

Noooo that's the parking garage name.


Good call, along with the I don't know why people aren't coming here for $15 beers stand, and the we won't overpay for hotdogs kiosk, and the hot and ready will be our intermission acquisition stand

#105 LeftWinger

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:37 PM

I am glad you like my idea for the ICE Arena. I like it too!

 

If you guys want to go with the kicking tires theme, it would be hilarious if Goodyear or Uniroyal got the bid for the name. Uniroyal Centre, we've been kicking tires for 20 years! (and kicking ass)


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:42 PM

I've noticed it's the people in the suburbs who are usually pessimistic about downtown. I've been living here the past two years and it has been a blast. No one here is "waiting for a revival." It's already pretty awesome. I have no doubt these plans will make it better.

 

Here is the view from my apartment and you can see the lots along Woodward where the stadium will stand. You can see the FOX theater sign for a point of reference. I'll post more pictures once they start construction.

 

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:54 PM

Thankfully Holland will have no input in building the arena or it would come out looking like a pizza hut.


Im not thrilled about this because 2 years ago i was married on the ice in Joe Louis. Its going to be sad if they tear it down and we cant go back to where we were married.

Poor fella :P

 

I'm ecstatic about the new arena and district. I really have a hard time seeing how it is going to be a negative thing in the long run, especially for the city. As for the name I agree with the earlier post explaining the Comerica Park instead of Olympia/Little Ceasers, it'll most likely be named after some outside investor.



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:55 AM

Downtown Detroit? I thought Ann Arbor had this all locked up.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:17 AM

Is this project really worth all the criticism it is getting. I figured most arenas get paid for by the city so I don't understand why the big fuss about tax dollars paying for it?

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:43 AM

Is this project really worth all the criticism it is getting. I figured most arenas get paid for by the city so I don't understand why the big fuss about tax dollars paying for it?

Well.....Considering Detroit is bankrupt.



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:53 AM

Is this project really worth all the criticism it is getting. I figured most arenas get paid for by the city so I don't understand why the big fuss about tax dollars paying for it?

 

This project is getting criticism because like with almost everything else in the world, reactionary dips***s got all bent out of shape about this before they knew all the facts.  People hear "tax dollars" and assume their personal income tax is going to go up, or some retiree's pension will get cut, to pay for this or something.  Then, because they're already outraged, they can't just stop and admit they were wrong when they hear that the "tax dollars" used to pay for this project have already been collected, and were specifically designated for projects exactly like this one through the Downtown Development Authority. 

 

http://www.crainsdet...rena-plan-shows


Edited by kipwinger, 22 July 2014 - 08:54 AM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:46 AM

 
This project is getting criticism because like with almost everything else in the world, reactionary dips***s got all bent out of shape about this before they knew all the facts.  People hear "tax dollars" and assume their personal income tax is going to go up, or some retiree's pension will get cut, to pay for this or something.  Then, because they're already outraged, they can't just stop and admit they were wrong when they hear that the "tax dollars" used to pay for this project have already been collected, and were specifically designated for projects exactly like this one through the Downtown Development Authority. 
 
http://www.crainsdet...rena-plan-shows

Excellent point, although I want to say that I read somewhere a while back about the city potentially using money for education to fund this project. Lemme do a google search and see if I can find it.

Yeah: http://redwings.nhl....s.htm?id=674634
The article doesn't give us much other than some of the money would have otherwise been used for education throughout the state. I don't know whether anything has been updated or changed since then, either. Anyway, I think most of the criticism started around this point and has since spiraled out into something else, and at this point I think a lot of the complaints aren't really addressing facts, as you alluded to.

Edited by Echolalia, 22 July 2014 - 10:01 AM.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:05 AM

Excellent point, although I want to say that I read somewhere a while back about the city potentially using money for education to fund this project. Lemme do a google search and see if I can find it.

Yeah: http://redwings.nhl....s.htm?id=674634
The article doesn't give us much other than some of the money would have otherwise been used for education throughout the state. I don't know whether anything has been updated or changed since then, either. Anyway, I think most of the criticism started around this point and has since spiraled out into something else, and at this point I think a lot of the complaints aren't really addressing facts, as you alluded to.

 

Yeah not a lot of info there.  I don't see how the money "was going to schools" when it is already coming from the DDA.  Unless they  mean that the state bond money would have otherwise "gone to schools", but I'm not sure that's fair either.  A more accurate statement would be, "opponents would rather the bond money go to schools".  They make it sounds like money was going to go to schools, and then all of a sudden the state took it away and used it for the arena instead.  I'm not sure that's supported by any evidence, and seems a lot like political posturing to me. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:13 AM

 
Yeah not a lot of info there.  I don't see how the money "was going to schools" when it is already coming from the DDA.  Unless they  mean that the state bond money would have otherwise "gone to schools", but I'm not sure that's fair either.  A more accurate statement would be, "opponents would rather the bond money go to schools".  They make it sounds like money was going to go to schools, and then all of a sudden the state took it away and used it for the arena instead.  I'm not sure that's supported by any evidence, and seems a lot like political posturing to me. 

I don't know how the DDA would even have access to money that would go to state education, or vice versa. Maybe any funds not used by the DDA are turned over to the state, if they have no approved project for them? I have no clue.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:15 AM

Let us tread carefully, please.  All comments have thus far been germane to the conversation, yet are nudging dangerously close to political discussion.  It's a very, very fine line and one not easy to navigate, so by all means express opinions and contribute to the conversation, but do so thoughtfully.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:17 AM

I don't know how the DDA would even have access to money that would go to state education, or vice versa. Maybe any funds not used by the DDA are turned over to the state, if they have no approved project for them? I have no clue.

 

As I understand it, the state issues bond money which the DDA (and the Illitchs) pays back.  The DDA wouldn't have "school money" as their money is specifically earmarked for development projects.  But, theoretically, state bond money could go to schools. 

 

But I don't see (nor have I ever heard) that the bond money used to fund this project was DEFINITELY going to schools (or anything else) and then was suddenly rerouted to the arena project.  Like I said, seems like opponents of the projects are saying "if we weren't building an arena the money COULD go to schools", which may be theoretically true but doesn't withstand scrutiny. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:18 AM

I've noticed it's the people in the suburbs who are usually pessimistic about downtown. I've been living here the past two years and it has been a blast. No one here is "waiting for a revival." It's already pretty awesome. I have no doubt these plans will make it better.

 

Here is the view from my apartment and you can see the lots along Woodward where the stadium will stand. You can see the FOX theater sign for a point of reference. I'll post more pictures once they start construction.

 

gallery_2560_86_208368.jpg

 

There are nice areas downtown no doubt. the problem is that there is almost the same amount of bad parts as well. Detroit is one of the largest cities in the country in terms of square miles, yet they are one of the only few cities to have a shrinking population. The city was built for a population of 2 million, not 600K. As a result you have a ton of areas that look like post apocalyptic war zone. They need to demolish these abandon neighborhoods and consolidate the city (easier said then done i know). but the city as is too big for the population that it has right now



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:46 AM

 
There are nice areas downtown no doubt. the problem is that there is almost the same amount of bad parts as well. Detroit is one of the largest cities in the country in terms of square miles, yet they are one of the only few cities to have a shrinking population. The city was built for a population of 2 million, not 600K. As a result you have a ton of areas that look like post apocalyptic war zone. They need to demolish these abandon neighborhoods and consolidate the city (easier said then done i know). but the city as is too big for the population that it has right now

There's a lot of effort going into blight removal. Duggan has appointed "district managers" to oversee their neck of the woods in terms of cataloging, identifying the owners, tearing down/selling abandoned buildings, and while that's a huge undertaking, the city has already made great strides in achieving their goals. Dan Gilbert is also heavily involved with this project, and has agreed to buy up a lot of these abandoned buildings and tear them down/renovate them. Many others that are salvageable have been put up for auction online, and folks have been buying up these houses, fixing them up, and moving in. So yeah, Detroit has it's problems. Everyone in the world is hip to that, and it's unfortunately become our label. What everyone doesn't know is how much things are actually going right, and how much effort is going into building the city back up, and how much progress has already been made. The blight removal is one such example. The arena and entertainment district will be another, and will be a capstone on years of investment put into both downtown and midtown.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 01:12 PM

How about "The Kicking Tires Arena" 

 

:lol:

 

It will actually be the Belle Tire Kicking Arena.   

 

Yes, it absolutely will be corporate named.  Too many $$$s at stake with that.



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:00 PM

It should be called:

 

"This Arena Is Our Big Offseason Aquisition" Arena

 

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