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#21 dirtydangles

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 05:51 PM

He is at least twice the player that Quincey is - so 9mill seems about right. 


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 06:34 PM

People need to stop pointing to these "escalating contracts" and suggesting we are headed to another lockout.  Every player in the league could sign to the league minimum ($550,000 or whatever it is now) and it would have a "zero" impact on how much cash ends up going to the players.  Scenario A - every player in the league signs for $1M, scenario B - every player in the league signs for $10M.  Under both scenarios A & B, total cash compensation to player will be the same...that's how the CBA works.  Player contracts are simply used to determine how the player's share of revenues is divided amongst the player group.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 06:35 PM

- Fighting your team mates

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- risky in your own zone

- putting yourself always over the team

 

= reward 9 million per, I always thought this guy is Montreals version of Karlsson but Karlsson doesn't come with attitude problems. Ok he  is playing under an absolute microscope so give him 0.3k per more that's 6,8...but But what do I know Montreal - like someone has quoted - is it's own hockey universe. And all of a sudden even on an 8 year contract Webers 7,85 AAV is an absolute steal, same goes for Doughty, Keith, Chara, Suter, Pietrangelo, Vlasic, Kronwall, Seabrook, McDonagh, Phaneuf.

 

Man the arbitrator  really must have hated Montreals presentation 82 million for 8 years ...

 

as for their lockout: As long as we aren't changing the commissioner they are going to come prepare for it and since fans are always crawling back, nothing will change. The only way to stop this crap is for thee NHLPA to decertisfy


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 06:57 PM

People need to stop pointing to these "escalating contracts" and suggesting we are headed to another lockout.  Every player in the league could sign to the league minimum ($550,000 or whatever it is now) and it would have a "zero" impact on how much cash ends up going to the players.  Scenario A - every player in the league signs for $1M, scenario B - every player in the league signs for $10M.  Under both scenarios A & B, total cash compensation to player will be the same...that's how the CBA works.  Player contracts are simply used to determine how the player's share of revenues is divided amongst the player group.


Well aside from the fact that if you paid each player one million you wouldn't hit the cap floor and ten each would be way over the cap. You have to look at the fact that each player ISNT paid equally. And contracts like this DO drive up other salaries. So come time for a new cba they will definitely say the players make too much money again, and budda boom budda Bing, another lockout

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 06:59 PM

Inflation happens. Kane and Toews set the new standard, and I'm sure their agents had them do it on purpose. No biggie. Everything goes up over time. People acting shocked and annoyed are being ridiculous. Did they think the cap would go up and everyone would just keep making their old salaries? The world doesn't work like that. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2
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Posted 02 August 2014 - 07:12 PM

The real issue is the revenue sharing between the teams. Even with a cap and a floor there are haves and have nots because some teams get a lot more revenue from tickets merchandise and local TV deals. The other issue is when a team throws a bunch of money at a mediocre player just because they have it to spend.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 07:29 PM

If we had a player like Subban and he was given this contract, I doubt many people here would be upset.  


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 08:16 PM

If we had a player like Subban and he was given this contract, I doubt many people here would be upset.  

I can't speak for anyone else but I wouldn't be that happy with anything over 7, and I wouldn't be able to tolerate anything over 8.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 08:37 PM

I'd rather have two Kronwalls than 1 Subban. I think balance is going to be our key to success in the future. If our defense prospects hit their potential we won't have a Subban or karlsson but we'll be able to ice a much better defensive lineup than those teams

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 08:51 PM

Inflation happens. Kane and Toews set the new standard, and I'm sure their agents had them do it on purpose. No biggie. Everything goes up over time. People acting shocked and annoyed are being ridiculous. Did they think the cap would go up and everyone would just keep making their old salaries? The world doesn't work like that. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

 

Salary wise they didn't set the bar. Players in these long term contracts are already getting paid that type of money. It's just because of the longer contracts their cap is lower, just look at Weber. If you took the first 8 years of his contract his cap hit would be $11.5M. Suter and Parise would be at $10M cap hit if you only look at the first 8 years. Cap hits are rising but salaries are around the same. This hurts role players IMO, unless the cap keeps going up.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:12 PM

- Fighting your team mates

- NBA attitude

- risky in your own zone

- putting yourself always over the team

 

= reward 9 million per, I always thought this guy is Montreals version of Karlsson but Karlsson doesn't come with attitude problems. Ok he  is playing under an absolute microscope so give him 0.3k per more that's 6,8...but But what do I know Montreal - like someone has quoted - is it's own hockey universe. And all of a sudden even on an 8 year contract Webers 7,85 AAV is an absolute steal, same goes for Doughty, Keith, Chara, Suter, Pietrangelo, Vlasic, Kronwall, Seabrook, McDonagh, Phaneuf.

 

Man the arbitrator  really must have hated Montreals presentation 82 million for 8 years ...

 

as for their lockout: As long as we aren't changing the commissioner they are going to come prepare for it and since fans are always crawling back, nothing will change. The only way to stop this crap is for thee NHLPA to decertisfy

 

Care to explain exactly what an NBA attitude is? 

 

Putting yourself always over the team??

 

I was never really a fan, but on CH24 he just seemed like a young, goofy, outgoing, but humble guy.  When he made stupid mistakes during games he was the first one to own up to it.  He seemed immature when he came into the league but as you pointed out he is absolutely operating under a microscope so his every mistake is magnified a thousand times.  He is only 25 years old after all.

 

He's an extremely talented young player, a Norris winning defenseman, and their franchise.  He got pretty much what people expected, especially given his bridge contract.  The Canadiens just locked him up through all his prime years.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:41 PM

He's a 25 year old star defenseman and the cornerstone of their team along with Price.

 

Are people saying he's not good enough?  His attitude doesn't warrant this deal?  Or are you guys saying only forwards should get this kind of money?  

Great player!  Wpould love to have him as a Wing, but 9,000,000.00 is a huge percentager of the entire teams payroll.  It will be even more difficult to surround him with a team.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 11:31 PM

Great player!  Wpould love to have him as a Wing, but 9,000,000.00 is a huge percentager of the entire teams payroll.  It will be even more difficult to surround him with a team.


Still a better deal that the one signed by Quincey and on a different note didn't kronwall sign an extension before Lindstrom and Stuart left where he wasn't their go to defenseman? It would make a lot more sense for why he's paid so little as the first defensemen.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 11:36 PM

 Care to explain exactly what an NBA attitude is? 
 
Putting yourself always over the team??
 
I was never really a fan, but on CH24 he just seemed like a young, goofy, outgoing, but humble guy.  When he made stupid mistakes during games he was the first one to own up to it.  He seemed immature when he came into the league but as you pointed out he is absolutely operating under a microscope so his every mistake is magnified a thousand times.  He is only 25 years old after all.
 
He's an extremely talented young player, a Norris winning defenseman, and their franchise.  He got pretty much what people expected, especially given his bridge contract.  The Canadiens just locked htrim up through all his prime years.


Sure for me it means: acting like you are above the team, over the top celebrations, butting heads with your coach and/or teammates. I really can't stand such attitudes stopped following soccer after it became more like the NBA too, I think this trend with more and more young cocky guys such as Kadri, Yakupov, Eller and him is alarming :(
Their franchise is and has been Price

Trust me I understand the whole microscope point that's why I've said pay him a bit more and be done with it. I really thought the arbitrator would have awarded less..

If I'm paying 9 per for a defenseman my first priority would be can I trust his defensive skills when the game is on the line? And just like Karlsson I wouldn't they are offensive defenseman and good ones at that but not reliable in their own end.

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:47 AM

Sure for me it means: acting like you are above the team, over the top celebrations, butting heads with your coach and/or teammates. I really can't stand such attitudes stopped following soccer after it became more like the NBA too, I think this trend with more and more young cocky guys such as Kadri, Yakupov, Eller and him is alarming :( Their franchise is and has been Price Trust me I understand the whole microscope point that's why I've said pay him a bit more and be done with it. I really thought the arbitrator would have awarded less.. If I'm paying 9 per for a defenseman my first priority would be can I trust his defensive skills when the game is on the line? And just like Karlsson I wouldn't they are offensive defenseman and good ones at that but not reliable in their own end.

 

Just to clarify, the arbitrator didn't award him the 8 year contract, they can only award a 1 year contract.  The Canadiens and Subban agreed the 8 year deal to avoid arbitration - because otherwise Subban would be 1 year away from UFA and after the way Montreal have messed him around he probly would have walked.

 

As for the salary, as Dragonballz pointed out above, the only reason the cap hit is so high is because they can't tack on the throwaway years on the end to lower the AAV like we did with Z and Franzen.

 

The big contracts signed this summer have all been signed in anticipation of the cap continuing to go up.  $9M may seem like a lot now, but in 5-6 years time it will be seen as good value.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:57 AM

But Franzen is on a terrible contract right?



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Posted 03 August 2014 - 02:50 AM

 

Just to clarify, the arbitrator didn't award him the 8 year contract, they can only award a 1 year contract.  The Canadiens and Subban agreed the 8 year deal to avoid arbitration - because otherwise Subban would be 1 year away from UFA and after the way Montreal have messed him around he probly would have walked.

 

As for the salary, as Dragonballz pointed out above, the only reason the cap hit is so high is because they can't tack on the throwaway years on the end to lower the AAV like we did with Z and Franzen.

 

The big contracts signed this summer have all been signed in anticipation of the cap continuing to go up.  $9M may seem like a lot now, but in 5-6 years time it will be seen as good value.

 

So basically Bergervin and Meahan agreed on that contract ? Wow, why all the hold up then did his camp even ask for more ?

 

I understand the CBA trust me, that's why I was one of the very few people who weren't shocked when Perry, Getzlaf signed and same again with Toews, Kane. But Toews is easily a top 3 player in the league (in terms of total package), proven winner and has an unreal resumee at 27 years of age, Kane is a great player too (not as good mind you) but he had the Buffalo leverage so I can understand both contracts.

 

9 Million at least to me would indicate elite defenseman and Subban ISN'T that far from it. Like I've pointed out I see him and Karlsson more as a 13 forward with defensive responsibilities but both are nowhere near Weber, Suter, Keith, Seabrook, Doughty and Pietrangelo level. And at 7 mill per I'd rather have Phaneuf than Subban at 9 mill per.

 

Anyway I don't have to pay it and it hurts a playoff opponent so for us as Wingsfans it might be a great contract *g*


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 03:07 AM

P.K. Subban's one of the very best best defensemen - if not hockey players, period - in the world, not to mention a quality guy. I'd say 9 X 8 is about right.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 03:25 AM

I would also count Subban as an elite defenseman, he may not be as complete as Weber but he is also not as one dimensional as Mike Green. He is definitely a game changer as seen in the series vs the Bruins. I think Subban is much more of a team guy than he is given credit for. He is no Yakupov by any stretch.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 05:35 AM

But Franzen is on a terrible contract right?

Franzen is a wet turd when compared to Subban.

 

While an overpayment now - there's a good chance Subban will be in contention of the Norris Trophy in these next several years, and by year 4  of this contract other high caliber DMen will be making this amount, or near it.



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