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Just stop adding teams already. How much more watered down and parity filled do we need the league to become? Florida, Phoenix, Nashville and Atlanta all failed, but hey let's keep forcing the expansion issue some more.

At least relocate if they are going to pursue this dumb idea at all.

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Only Atlanta has failed,the other three are still in the league,so you can't say that they have failed yet

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Horrible place to have an pro sport team. Will not happen.

There's a reason Vegas has no sports teams

So lets say Seattle goes through, and they add Toronto2 and QC. What is the 4th team you add in the West if not Vegas?

Portland? Salt Lake City? Albuquerque? Omaha? :lol: There are no other cities with any potential NHL ownership interest in the entire Western US.

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So lets say Seattle goes through, and they add Toronto2 and QC. What is the 4th team you add in the West if not Vegas?

Portland? Salt Lake City? Albuquerque? Omaha? :lol: There are no other cities with any potential NHL ownership interest in the entire Western US.

How about Salt Lake City. Or maybe Portland, that will give Seattle a rival.

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I have meet lots of people from Vegas. They have no clue and even say they hate hockey. Most of the Vegas residents can't afford hockey tickets. Tourists come to Vegas to gamble not to attend sports other than boxing. I think they have one hockey rink and I have heard that it is usually empty.

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Only Atlanta has failed,the other three are still in the league,so you can't say that they have failed yet

Can you really say that Florida has been a success when they're constantly losing money? They've made the playoffs 4 times in their 20 year history and only ever got past the first round once.

And Phoenix? Having to be propped up by the league for so long and constantly surrounded by rumours of contraction or relocation?

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Only Atlanta has failed,the other three are still in the league,so you can't say that they have failed yet

Atlanta was moved as quick as it was because Bettman wanted to stop the "move the Coyotes back to Winnipeg" talk. If Atlanta had a competent ownership group and front office and hadn't been a joke for most of their existence I think they would have been relatively successful. Instead, they got moved as soon as it was possible while the league has done everything possible to keep the failed experiment in Glendale.

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Atlanta was moved as quick as it was because Bettman wanted to stop the "move the Coyotes back to Winnipeg" talk. If Atlanta had a competent ownership group and front office and hadn't been a joke for most of their existence I think they would have been relatively successful. Instead, they got moved as soon as it was possible while the league has done everything possible to keep the failed experiment in Glendale.

This is part of the problem - the league (mainly Bettman) is too stubborn to accept where it has gone wrong and where things aren't working. If they were, we already would have seen Hockey return to Winnipeg long before it actually happened, in addition to Quebec and the Toronto area would have a second NHL team by now.

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Atlanta was moved as quick as it was because Bettman wanted to stop the "move the Coyotes back to Winnipeg" talk. If Atlanta had a competent ownership group and front office and hadn't been a joke for most of their existence I think they would have been relatively successful. Instead, they got moved as soon as it was possible while the league has done everything possible to keep the failed experiment in Glendale.

To this day, I cannot figure out why they keep trying to keep the Phoenix Arizona Coyotes propped up, while they just bailed on the Thrashers. Not a group I would trust to pull off a 4 team expansion.

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To this day, I cannot figure out why they keep trying to keep the Phoenix Arizona Coyotes propped up, while they just bailed on the Thrashers. Not a group I would trust to pull off a 4 team expansion.

Because Buttman would have considered it a bigger failure to move a team from Winnipeg to Glendale and then back to Winnipeg than start an expansion team in Atlanta and move them to Winnipeg.

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Vegas is a bad idea for a team, but adding another team in Toronto might be worse. I get that Toronto is a big enough market to support another team, but where are the fans for the new team going to come from? The Leafs are a team with a rich history and a loyal fan base, and I highly doubt that the die-hard fans will jump ship to root for a new team just because said team might be closer to their homes.

I think it's ridiculously difficult to build a fan base for a second team in the same city. Looking at other sports--Chicago has 2 MLB teams but both of those teams have been there since the inception of Baseball, same with the two teams in New York. Plus I don't get why The Maple Leafs would agree to share a market with another team.

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I agree, think about it. How would another team in Detroit go??? Or Boston & Chicago for that matter. If the NHL wants to keep any face at all, you pay respect to the original 6. And proposing another team in any of those markets is a BIG mistake. The original 6 is the calling card of the league, with the fan base to support it. Dilute or pollute that, and you create a mess.

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Only Atlanta has failed,the other three are still in the league,so you can't say that they have failed yet

I don't know that still existing is the only barometer of success. All have serious attendance issues. Phoenix was getting run by the league for a stretch. Most of these previous expansion markets are far from thriving and the league wants to continue pushing the idea. I hope there is a way to resolve the unbalanced conferences, but I don't want it come through adding four additional teams. I'm not really even a fan of two more unless it involves relocation.

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I don't know that still existing is the only barometer of success. All have serious attendance issues. Phoenix was getting run by the league for a stretch. Most of these previous expansion markets are far from thriving and the league wants to continue pushing the idea. I hope there is a way to resolve the unbalanced conferences, but I don't want it come through adding four additional teams. I'm not really even a fan of two more unless it involves relocation.

nashville is not a failing team,the preds attendance is starting to go up

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Some economic analysis from The Toronto Star:

Free money for all of the owners? Unfortunately, I think this is inevitable.

That's exactly why this will happen. It's the owners way of helping to make back money, and money they don't have to share with the players at that, from the last lockout. There's just no way that expansion doesn't happen in the next 2-5 years imo.

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That's exactly why this will happen. It's the owners way of helping to make back money, and money they don't have to share with the players at that, from the last lockout. There's just no way that expansion doesn't happen in the next 2-5 years imo.

I just don't understand why Toronto would allow another team in their media market.

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Whalers moved

Nordiques moved

Jets moved

Northstars moved

Canes do ok

Avs do great

Coyotes suck, New Jets return

Stars do ok, Wild reignite Minnesota

Only real failure is the yotes. But they have nothing in common with vegas. Vegas is sandy and dry and hot and Glendale is like Michigan.

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I rarely comment on this Forum, but I have to defend some of the wrong comments on here:

1) The Las Vegas Wranglers (ECHL) sold out, granted 6,000 seats, almost every game they played. There are lots of fans here to support the team.

2) The five major sports (I'm including soccer because of the large population from Mexico, and Central and South America) have avoided Las Vegas until recently because the population was too small. Now at approximately 2,000,000 and LA only 4 hours away, there will be plenty of fans at each game. I would not be surprised if a team from the NBA is next.

3) Casinos will NOT buy all the tickets and give to clients. That would take them away from the tables for too many hours.

4) The major difference between Phoenix and Las Vegas, in terms of a winter destination for tourists, is there is nothing else to do in Phoenix, but lots to do in Vegas. Think of the package deals fans will get from all those cold weather cities to see their team in action in Vegas...and then spend a couple of days and nights enjoying great weather, great food, great shows, and, yes, a bit of gambling.

5) And, to the comment about slot machines, not going to happen. Arenas cannot have gambling machines – slots, video poker, etc. – in an area frequented by under 21 youth. You can be assured that youth will stay true to hockey here.

6) You can stop with the gambling comments about affecting games. Regarding gambling, Las Vegas is more highly policed than almost any other city with gambling, like Atlantic City (near the Devils) or LA (yes there are casinos in LA) or, even, across the internet. It is more likely that a referee or player will be caught in a gambling issue in any other city in North America. Period.

7) The Great One, Wayne Gretzky, holds his Fantasy Camp in Vegas and loves it. From the NHL web site: "It really is a pure love," Gretzky told NHL.com Tuesday from the Bellagio, the host hotel for his annual event.

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I think another expansion is a terrible idea. I would prefer to get rid of a few teams if anything and cut the league back down to 28, but we know that isn't going to happen. I just hate the idea of watering down the skill level of the league even more than it already is. Why not just relocate a couple of the struggling teams? There is no need of having two teams in Florida, especially with one struggling mightily. And Phoenix has struggled for years as well. Why not just relocate the Panthers to get a team back in Quebec City or maybe Hamilton, Ontario and relocate the Coyotes to get a team in Seattle, Washington or Portland, Oregon NOT Las Vegas, Nevada...

Go back to the six, five team divisions...

Vancouver

Edmonton

Calgary

Winnipeg

Seattle / Portland

San Jose

Los Angeles

Anaheim

Colorado

Dallas

Minnesota

Chicago

St. Louis

Nashville

Columbus

Detroit

Toronto

Ottawa

Hamilton / Quebec

Montreal

Buffalo

Boston

New York R

New York I

New Jersey

Pittsburgh

Philadelphia

Washington

Carolina

Tampa Bay

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