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#241 Euro_Twins

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 01:33 PM

 
Imagine the partying the team would do after games.  


No guys. It's just like being in Detroit

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 03:06 PM

It's not "just like being in Detroit".  But It's probably not significantly more tempting for a young person than places like Miami or LA.  This notion that after parties in Vegas spell impending doom for young players, but the ones in South Beach don't, is absurd and completely overblown.  Didn't Jarret Stoll just get busted for cocaine in LA? What do you think he'd do if he played for a team in Vegas...cocaine?  Or is the implication that he'd be on heroin or meth?

 

In general this entire thread seems to be full of people attempting to justify their knee jerk distaste for a team in Vegas.  Which is entirely unnecessary.  Why not just own up to the fact that many hockey fans are extremely protective of their (niche) sport, and are uncomfortable with the idea of it being played in places (and by people) who are incompatible with our traditional notions of what is "hockey-like"?  In other words, "we don't want them playing it, because this is our sport, and they aren't like us".  Hockey is perceived as a northern sport and we don't want southerners or westerns playing it, even if it's perfectly viable in the south and west (which is mostly is). 


Edited by kipwinger, 13 August 2015 - 03:07 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 03:08 PM

I wonder how Moe Greene would feel about a hockey team in Vegas?  


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Posted 13 August 2015 - 03:53 PM

I wonder how Moe Greene would feel about a hockey team in Vegas?  

Is this with Freedo as GM?

 

It's not "just like being in Detroit".  But It's probably not significantly more tempting for a young person than places like Miami or LA.  This notion that after parties in Vegas spell impending doom for young players, but the ones in South Beach don't, is absurd and completely overblown.  Didn't Jarret Stoll just get busted for cocaine in LA? What do you think he'd do if he played for a team in Vegas...cocaine?  Or is the implication that he'd be on heroin or meth?

 

In general this entire thread seems to be full of people attempting to justify their knee jerk distaste for a team in Vegas.  Which is entirely unnecessary.  Why not just own up to the fact that many hockey fans are extremely protective of their (niche) sport, and are uncomfortable with the idea of it being played in places (and by people) who are incompatible with our traditional notions of what is "hockey-like"?  In other words, "we don't want them playing it, because this is our sport, and they aren't like us".  Hockey is perceived as a northern sport and we don't want southerners or westerns playing it, even if it's perfectly viable in the south and west (which is mostly is). 

I don't like the idea of the NHL expanding into Vegas isn't due to the gambling/strippers/drugs, but I feel it'll be another Phoenix disaster.

 

There's enough teams as is, and I'd rather see financially viable franchises with strong support from the locals.

 

Re-location seems more appropriate.



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Posted 13 August 2015 - 04:37 PM

Will there be slot machines in the penalty box?

No, just strippers

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 05:01 PM

The penalty boxes are full of coupons for discount at buffets and awesome drink specials at the casinos



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Posted 13 August 2015 - 05:15 PM

No guys. It's just like being in Detroit

They have no guys in Detroit either? 

That sucks, but I doubt that guys are what the majority are looking for.


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Posted 13 August 2015 - 05:56 PM

I can imagine they may have slots on the concourse though, eh?

 

Just imagine the between periods entertainment, Tony Bennet, Celine Dion, The winner of America's Got Talent, Katie Morgan, Blue Man Group...Criss Angel, now we're talking!


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Posted 13 August 2015 - 08:11 PM

They have no guys in Detroit either? 
That sucks, but I doubt that guys are what the majority are looking for.


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Posted 13 August 2015 - 09:09 PM

Didn't Jarret Stoll just get busted for cocaine in LA?


Actually he was arrested in Las Vegas :lol: but I agree with your overall argument

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 05:06 AM

It's not "just like being in Detroit".  But It's probably not significantly more tempting for a young person than places like Miami or LA.  This notion that after parties in Vegas spell impending doom for young players, but the ones in South Beach don't, is absurd and completely overblown.  Didn't Jarret Stoll just get busted for cocaine in LA? What do you think he'd do if he played for a team in Vegas...cocaine?  Or is the implication that he'd be on heroin or meth?
 

In general this entire thread seems to be full of people attempting to justify their knee jerk distaste for a team in Vegas.  Which is entirely unnecessary.  Why not just own up to the fact that many hockey fans are extremely protective of their (niche) sport, and are uncomfortable with the idea of it being played in places (and by people) who are incompatible with our traditional notions of what is "hockey-like"?  In other words, "we don't want them playing it, because this is our sport, and they aren't like us".  Hockey is perceived as a northern sport and we don't want southerners or westerns playing it, even if it's perfectly viable in the south and west (which is mostly is). 

I think it will be fine in Vegas.
I do think their will be more conflicts/drama than we are used to, sort of like what were dealing with this off season compared to others.
I am worried about it becoming an actual problem, and the NHL getting a bad reputation, but the girls/drugs thing wasn't my biggest concern with it even though I do think its slightly more risky there, which is still my opinion. But if there is a scandal about someone betting on games that they play in, I think the back lash will be severely overblown simply due to the fact that the NHL was the first to expand there. I don't expect everyone to agree with my rational for it, but it is what it is.

For the record, in the old thread I did say I'd have less of a problem with it if they moved a struggling team there instead of expanding.


Hahaha.
It was actually in Vegas.
With coke, and MDMA...

Edited by jimmyemeryhunter, 14 August 2015 - 05:07 AM.


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 07:02 AM

I think it will be fine in Vegas.
I do think their will be more conflicts/drama than we are used to, sort of like what were dealing with this off season compared to others.
I am worried about it becoming an actual problem, and the NHL getting a bad reputation, but the girls/drugs thing wasn't my biggest concern with it even though I do think its slightly more risky there, which is still my opinion. But if there is a scandal about someone betting on games that they play in, I think the back lash will be severely overblown simply due to the fact that the NHL was the first to expand there. I don't expect everyone to agree with my rational for it, but it is what it is.

For the record, in the old thread I did say I'd have less of a problem with it if they moved a struggling team there instead of expanding.


Hahaha.
It was actually in Vegas.
With coke, and MDMA...

 

Why even defend the thoughts ? I don't care what some people think I want hockey to remain a niche sport, it's nice to know who is there but more importantly who isn't and hopefully never will be. Also I hope hockey will never ever become close to the crimerates of the thugleague = NBA or the NFL

 

The current front-office would play hockey on the moon if there was a 1 % chance of that, I mean I don't surf in the winter and hockey doesn't belong to places like Vegas not just because of the huge sideshows but also because their isn't and will ever be enough interest most of the fans will be of the opposing teams and the premium seats will be sold but empty. Also people are always mentioning Phoenix and Florida but keep in Mind Carolina is also getting into more and more trouble so that's 3 possible relocation teams in the next 5 years.


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Posted 15 August 2015 - 02:25 PM

 
Why even defend the thoughts ? I don't care what some people think I want hockey to remain a niche sport, it's nice to know who is there but more importantly who isn't and hopefully never will be. Also I hope hockey will never ever become close to the crimerates of the thugleague = NBA or the NFL
 
The current front-office would play hockey on the moon if there was a 1 % chance of that, I mean I don't surf in the winter and hockey doesn't belong to places like Vegas not just because of the huge sideshows but also because their isn't and will ever be enough interest most of the fans will be of the opposing teams and the premium seats will be sold but empty. Also people are always mentioning Phoenix and Florida but keep in Mind Carolina is also getting into more and more trouble so that's 3 possible relocation teams in the next 5 years.

I have a feeling that the hockey market could grow there though, which is kind of the point of expansion. The draw of Having a pro team there should be enough to fill more seats than buffalo has had the last few years. And I have a feeling that the season tickets, if not being used by the owners, will find someone to sit in those seats through the hotels or casinos.

I can appreciate you wanting it to remain a niche sport, but I'd like for it to grow.

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Posted 15 August 2015 - 02:39 PM

I just think that, like it or not, these guys are professional athletes, and therefore they are role models to millions of people and children growing up. Thus, they're off ice behaviour is probably, almost more important than the behaviour they exhibit on it. If we place a team in Vegas, are we likely to see more stories about off ice behaviour? Can you imagine if the NFL had a team in Vegas?

 

All of these things are obviously subject to our own opinions, and are all projectables. These things may or may not happen at all, and a team there could be a success. Or it coiuld not, and could end up giving the league a bad name. Personally, I don;t think it's worth the risk, especially considering that the 3 biggest sports in the US do not have a franchise in Vegas. I would have thought that would be enough to prohibit the NHL from attempting something like this. Especially considering the vast failures they've had in small, non-hockey markets...


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