Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

First off on the back end I think ouellet should start the season,can't have ouellet and sproul or another join the team at the same time , I'd rather get in a young d(my picks ouellet)and by the time we get another in fulltime at least ouellet will have a season under his belt

Mantha- think he should play in Grand Rapids but I got a gut feeling he will start the season in detroit and if he explodes can't see us sending him back down (I assume he'd play with pavel if he starts here)

Pulkkinen - we need goal scoring and he can score so why shouldn't he be here?

I think it's Time to bring in some of the younger pieces,it's the only way well be a lot better and contend with pavel and hank still here

We should get rid of kindl and possibly lashoff and replace them with ouellet and possibly marchenko (we'd be way better defensively in the back end)

Now upfront ... Hopefully when the season starts they'll see cleary just doesn't belong anymore as well as miller and Andersson(can't see Babs choosing Andersson over glendening) Ferraro also doesnt have a future here and unfortunetly don't see any space for Callahan

I'd see something like

Zetterberg datsyuk mantha

Franzen weiss nyquist

Tatar sheahan pulkkinen/jurco

Helm glendening abdelkader

Sadly i think it'll be something more like

Zetterberg datsyuk helm

Franzen weiss nyquist

Tatar sheahan alfredsson

Abdelkader glendening miller

Sorry for rambling on guys , last thing looking ahead with all the forwards coming up I gotta say I think Tatar and pulkkinen will get dealt at some point for maybe a star d especially if mantha lights it up and we got jurco waiting (not to mention athanasiou,frk,bertuzzi,janmark etc )

Edited September 13, 2014 by nyqvististhefuture

[T.Low 1,011]

I don't remember your posts being so difficult to read, before.

[number9 3,297]

What you'd like to see would involve sending to waivers/removing up to 5 different players. That's insane.

[wings87 1,290]

Everyone, get rid of them all. The lazy bastards!... And I'm only half kidding.

Edited September 13, 2014 by wings87

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Love to see Kindl/Lashoff and Cleary gone by game 1. I'd jump for joy. Quincey too but that ain't happening.

[wings87 1,290]

Love to see Kindl/Lashoff and Cleary gone by game 1. I'd jump for joy. Quincey too but that ain't happening.

I'm still in disbelief that holland never upgraded the Defense, it's mind boggling. My mind is boggled!

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

What you'd like to see would involve sending to waivers/removing up to 5 different players. That's insane.

Well I think if were gonna contend again with hank and pav still here were gonna need some of our better younger prospects to help out , unless we pull off a big trade

Cleary miller Andersson are taking up 3 spots and I think we can do a better job in the back end

[number9 3,297]

Well I think if were gonna contend again with hank and pav still here were gonna need some of our better younger prospects to help out , unless we pull off a big trade

Cleary miller Andersson are taking up 3 spots and I think we can do a better job in the back end

IDK who dnumber9 is, but I gotta say I like the guy!

A trade involving those guys or others like them would be awesome, but it's not gonna happen. No one wants to give up anything good for our scraps. Phasing those guys out and bring up the kids is not a one season/preseason process. They're going to be phased out throughout this season and the coming ones.

It's a brand new season. Ferraro Callahan Cleary and Kindl could all surprise us and come back better then ever. Well-liked guys like Tatar could suddenly disappoint. You just don't know. Ericsson surprised everyone. Hudler disappointed everyone. I think all our scraps deserve a fair shot to prove they're not what we have pigeon-holed them to be. If they don't do that I have no problem sending them down for a kid. Lets just be patient and honor the players who deserve a shot.

The sudden eagerness to throw Callahan to the wolves particularly irks me. Highly praised by LGW throughout last season for his goal scoring and toughness in GR, now suddenly hie' expendable. People have 2 minutes memories.

Edited September 13, 2014 by number9

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Hard to really say at this point. A lot probably depends on Alfie's status and what players like Jurco and Mantha show during the pre-season. Cleary isn't going anywhere though for a minimum of ten games. The Red Wings could have just not signed him and they are going to honor their commitment and at least give Cleary a shot, for better or probably worse.

Andersson seems like he has no place going forward. You have to figure one of Kindl or Lashoff might be in jeopardy should Marchenko or Ouellet play their way onto the team.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

IDK who dnumber9 is, but I gotta say I like the guy!

A trade involving those guys or others like them would be awesome, but it's not gonna happen. No one wants to give up anything good for our scraps. Phasing those guys out and bring up the kids is not a one season/preseason process. They're going to be phased out throughout this season and the coming ones.

It's a brand new season. Ferraro Callahan Cleary and Kindl could all surprise us and come back better then ever. Well-liked guys like Tatar could suddenly disappoint. You just don't know. Ericsson surprised everyone. Hudler disappointed everyone. I think all our scraps deserve a fair shot to prove they're not what we have pigeon-holed them to be. If they don't do that I have no problem sending them down for a kid. Lets just be patient and honor the players who deserve a shot.

The sudden eagerness to throw Callahan to the wolves particularly irks me. Highly praised by LGW throughout last season for his goal scoring and toughness in GR, now suddenly hie' expendable. People have 2 minutes memories.

I didn't suggest throwing away scraps as you put it in order to get a big trade , just said unless guys step up our only other way to make something happen would be through a big trade (Tatar,pulkkinen,1st rounder! you d ... Whatever)

And I didn't mention anything negative bout Callahan , I fact I wanted him here last season because he's the type of guy we don't really have on the team , just seeing all the players and spots and I just can't see him getting a spot unfortunetly

As you said though we'll see what happens at training camp

[number9 3,297]

I didn't suggest throwing away scraps as you put it in order to get a big trade , just said unless guys step up our only other way to make something happen would be through a big trade (Tatar,pulkkinen,1st rounder! you d ... Whatever)

And I didn't mention anything negative bout Callahan , I fact I wanted him here last season because he's the type of guy we don't really have on the team , just seeing all the players and spots and I just can't see him getting a spot unfortunetly

As you said though we'll see what happens at training camp

Starting Mantha, Jurco, Ouellet, Marchenko and so on on the starting roster, sends guys to waivers. That's throwing away scraps. Giving up players for nothing.

My Callahan comment was not meant to be directed at you personally

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Starting Mantha, Jurco, Ouellet, Marchenko and so on on the starting roster, sends guys to waivers. That's throwing away scraps. Giving up players for nothing.

My Callahan comment was not meant to be directed at you personally

If those players all earn their spots (extremely unlikely), why should they not make the team? Callahan, Ferraro and others all have the same opportunity to prove their worth in the pre-season too. It's not like these are highly valued prospects the Wings would be giving up for nothing. They are marginal NHL players at best. I'm not writing them off, but they should get evaluated before the regular season and decisions should be based on merit. I'm not a huge fan of "send them down because you can" if those guys can help the Wings win now and into the future as well.

Edited September 13, 2014 by GoWings1905

[number9 3,297]

If those players all earn their spots (extremely unlikely), why should they not make the team? Callahan, Ferraro and others all have the same opportunity to prove their worth in the pre-season too. It's not like these are highly valued prospects the Wings would be giving up for nothing. They are marginal NHL players at best. I'm not writing them off, but they should get evaluated before the regular season and decisions should be based on merit. I'm not a huge fan of "send them down because you can" if those guys can help the Wings win now and into the future as well.

uhhhh because the preseason is not the real NHL. Half a teams roster is AHL players or worse in the preseason. Players that must clear waivers Ishould be given at least 5 to 10 games in real NHL matches before deciding the fate of possibly their entire career with the team...

Demanding Mantha and Jurco play on opening night is the definition of impatient fandom. They can and should wait 3 games, 5 games, or even 10 so the rest of team can be correctly evaluated.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

uhhhh because the preseason is not the real NHL. Half a teams roster is AHL players or worse in the preseason. Players that must clear waivers Ishould be given at least 5 to 10 games in real NHL matches before deciding the fate of possibly their entire career with the team...

Demanding Mantha and Jurco play on opening night is the definition of impatient fandom. They can and should wait 3 games, 5 games, or even 10 so the rest of team can be correctly evaluated.

I'm not demanding it -- I said Jurco and Mantha needed to earn their spots, like anyone. Ferraro didn't show much when he was up, even though it was a small sample size. Callahan's ceiling is a 4th liner. Losing them wouldn't be catastrophic. If either was all that impressive, they would have spent time with the Wings last season when most of the forwards were out injured.

Jurco already proved his worth anyways, but he should go to Grand Rapids because the Wings owe it to Landon Ferraro to get a 5-10 game NHL tryout? That's not impatient fandom -- it's expecting the organization to ice the best team possible. Marginal NHL players get evaluated during the pre-season. That's the whole purpose to see if they are good enough to play on an NHL roster in the regular season.

[rick zombo 3,739]

There is a discussion to be had though. Maybe not regarding game 1.

Not all, but some of Jurco, Mantha, Pulkinnen, Ouelett, Sproul, Marchenko, Backman, and Mrazek are coming for someone’s job sooner rather than later. It’s a certainly IMO.

So something’s got to give. Holland and Babcock have never exactly come off like semi-large roster personnel changes was their thing, but they might have to get used to the idea.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Starting Mantha, Jurco, Ouellet, Marchenko and so on on the starting roster, sends guys to waivers. That's throwing away scraps. Giving up players for nothing.

My Callahan comment was not meant to be directed at you personally

Your right about that but sadly every time we have extra parts we always lose them through waivers and get nothing back ... Seems to be the redwings way

Just wanna see the best possible lineup we can have

uhhhh because the preseason is not the real NHL. Half a teams roster is AHL players or worse in the preseason. Players that must clear waivers Ishould be given at least 5 to 10 games in real NHL matches before deciding the fate of possibly their entire career with the team...

Demanding Mantha and Jurco play on opening night is the definition of impatient fandom. They can and should wait 3 games, 5 games, or even 10 so the rest of team can be correctly evaluated.

I got nothing against mantha starting in the ahl I'm just saying if he starts lighting it up every game I can see us giving him a chance to start the season here ( I believe we got 9 games as a trial run before we lose a yr on his contract )

As for jurco I think he's proven he can play in the nhl last year and has great chemistry with Tatar and sheahan .... Unfortunetly because we always have a ton of depth veteran guys who are a dime a dozen we always keep someone who could be up a lot sooner down in Grand Rapids

Edited September 13, 2014 by nyqvististhefuture

[wings4thecup06 504]

This is an interesting debate. Basically we have 5 D (once DK is re-signed), and then there should be open competition for 6-7 between Marchenko, Ouellet, Sproul, Kindl and Lashoff IMO. Personally I think Kindl needs to go, he regressed horrendously last year. Keep Lashoff as a serviceable no 7 guy, and promote Ouellet. If he struggles, send him down, and bring up Sproul. They had enough faith to bench Kindl and play Ouellet in game 5 vs Boston. I think that says something.

Realistically, what I think will probably happen, is the same 7 guys will start the year on D. If Kindl doesn't start to show improvement, then I think KH will make a deal to move him, because frankly, I think he has to. The guy has 3 years left at $2.4m, which really, isn't a bad contract for a former first round pick who's just quite not put it all together yet. I just get the feeling the Wings will give him one last shot and see what happens.

Forwards is all really dependent on what happens with Alfredsson.

If Alfie returns, I definitely see Mantha starting in GR. I doubt that they'd start him in Detroit over Jurco, especially considering how effectively he played on the kid line last season. I think Cleary will get his 10 games, unless he is absolutely horrendous in camp. Even then if he is, I think they'd just keep him around as a healthy scratch, and play him intermittently until he gets 10 games in. I'm really not sure how this is going to play out, but next week will be a big indication as to whether he's got anything left in the tank. Personally I'm concerned that if he's able to show he can still play just a little bit better than last season, yet not to the standard he was in the 13' playoffs, that he'll beat out someone who could really help our team - see Jurco.

If Alfie decides his back can't take it, then things get really interesting. Suddenly that 3rd line winger gets opened up to Jurco, Mantha, Pulkkinen and Cleary. In that scenario I would have thought that Jurco would get the job, but who knows. Obviously, if Helm doesn't succeed playing top line minutes, then he may get dropped back down to the 4th line, in which case we could see Mantha anyway.

I want Alfie to return, because I think his experience, right hand shot and slapshot could really help us again. And if he pots around 20 goals, I'd be more than happy, because lets face it. 20 goals is probably what we'd expect out of Jurco or Mantha if they were up here for a rookie season.

I got nothing against mantha starting in the ahl I'm just saying if he starts lighting it up every game I can see us giving him a chance to start the season here ( I believe we got 9 games as a trial run before we lose a yr on his contract )

that only applies to guys who are not old enough to play in the AHL and are on entry level deals - they either have to make the NHL or are sent back to juniors. Doesn't apply to Mantha, who's 20 in 3 days. So even if he doesn't make the Wings off the bat, he'll be in GR no problem and his contract works just like everyone else's.

Edited September 13, 2014 by wings4thecup06

[krsmith17 7,191]

Some people are so damn impatient. I think a huge reason why I am patient with the way the Wings do things is because I am huge fan as the entire Red Wings organization. I am just as much a fan of the Griffins as I am the Wings. I watch 82 Wings games plus every playoff game every single year, I've watched about 90% of Griffins games the past few years and every single playoff game, as well as a scattered East Coast and Junior game to follow prospects down there as well.

I don't want to see Mantha or Jurco or Pulkkinen rushed into the league because I'm quite content watching them develop their game down in Grand Rapids. I'd be happier to see three of them down in the AHL getting huge minutes, playing in all situations, possibly finish the season in the top 10 in scoring while helping the Griffins win another Calder Cup, then see any of them on the 3rd line in the NHL, playing 10-15 minutes a night and no special teams...

I do believe some of these guys will be unbelievable in the next few years, and credit to the Wings organization for being patient with them and making sure they're good and ready before they're thrown into the best league in the world.

Be Patient! And Watch Them Develop!

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Cleary should never have gotten more than a tryout, but now he's going to play at least 10 games to get his bonus. I'd like to see Kindl moved out for a rookie. Miller is pretty good for a 4th liner so he should stay. Jurco showed enough last year that a roster spot should be his to lose.

[sjr2012 439]

Cleary should never have gotten more than a tryout, but now he's going to play at least 10 games to get his bonus. I'd like to see Kindl moved out for a rookie. Miller is pretty good for a 4th liner so he should stay. Jurco showed enough last year that a roster spot should be his to lose.

I cant see them signing alfie if he cant go and to be honest id be ok with it im more interested to see how helm could do on wing I think it would be better like this

Z Dats Helm

Goose Weiss Mule

Tats Shehan Jurco

Miller Glendening Abby/Cleary

Andersson

Kronwall Smith

DD Kindl

Q Big E

Sproul

I think kindl could p.ay great with DD again and I think Big E might keep Q on his toes Kronwall and Smith play great together so I wouldn't mind seeing that lineup is it perfect? no but that 1st line could be a beast if Helm stays health him and Dats could kill on O and helms numbers would come up I think that 4th line is good on nights where cleary wont play and I think that 3rd line was to good to ignore the only line that is questionable is the 2nd not sure how Weiss and mule will be and if they would drag down goose

[RyanBarnes! 293]

I would love to see Callahan steal Miller's spot. More grit and possibly also better scoring touch.

[kipwinger 8,522]

I would love to see Callahan steal Miller's spot. More grit and possibly also better scoring touch.

I don't know that I'd want him to take Miller's spot per se, but I would definitely like him to beat out one of Ferraro, Andersson, Glendening, or Cleary. That would be ideal. I just think Miller has more value than those guys, so I'd rather have him on the roster and have the option to use him.

Edited September 13, 2014 by kipwinger

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Glendening is very useful. He can be a 4th line RW - Abby - Helm - Glendening ORRRRRRR he can play C and shut down Crosby like he did last year. We should hang onto him.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Glendening is very useful. He can be a 4th line RW - Abby - Helm - Glendening ORRRRRRR he can play C and shut down Crosby like he did last year. We should hang onto him.

I'd be pretty careful about assigning the "shutdown" defender label to Glendening. I know Babs used him in a game against Crosby and he didn't score, but 99 times out of 100 he probably will. I have no problem with Glendening, but let's not set the bar too high. As much as I hate to acknowledge it, Crosby has made many better players than Glendening look foolish.

[T.Low 1,011]

Zetterberg Datsyuk Franzen

Sedin Sedin B.Smith

Tatar Sheahan Nyquist

Helm Glendenning Abby

To Vancouver: Weiss, Anderssen, Ferraro , 3rd

Edited September 20, 2014 by T.Low