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Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

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I wish we would trade either Helm or Abdelkader or a pick or two. They're both getting pretty redundant. If one of them were let go, I'd like to see:

Zetterberg Datsyuk Helm/Abdelkader

Nyquist Weiss Franzen

Tatar Sheahan Jurco

Miller/Glendening/Andersson/Nestrasil

Cleary

Not putting Weiss in the lineup would be incredibly stupid. I think he played well in the preseason despite only 1 assist. It took Hossa a little bit to mesh with the team, it'll take Weiss even longer and not even having him start the season would be a huge blow to his morale. Thankfully I think Babcock is just sending a message, he'll be in.


Just like demoting Weiss after not registering a point while given third line minutes with Kevinf****** Porter on his wing.

How is it that he didn't lead the team in points with opportunities like that?

Babcock has a history of giving 2nd line centers s***ty wingers and being confused when they don't produce.

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I wish we would trade either Helm or Abdelkader or a pick or two. They're both getting pretty redundant. If one of them were let go, I'd like to see:

Zetterberg Datsyuk Helm/Abdelkader

Nyquist Weiss Franzen

Tatar Sheahan Jurco

Miller/Glendening/Andersson/Nestrasil

Cleary

Not putting Weiss in the lineup would be incredibly stupid. I think he played well in the preseason despite only 1 assist. It took Hossa a little bit to mesh with the team, it'll take Weiss even longer and not even having him start the season would be a huge blow to his morale. Thankfully I think Babcock is just sending a message, he'll be in.

Babcock has a history of giving 2nd line centers s***ty wingers and being confused when they don't produce.

Helm and Kindl, packaged together, wouldn't get you much. But they'd probably get you Alexander Semin. Just sayin'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEVLG8oyKnA

Then again, Semin's got too obvious a skill set. Babcock would invariably make him the fourth line goalie or something.

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Helm and Kindl, packaged together, wouldn't get you much. But they'd probably get you Alexander Semin. Just sayin'.

Then again, Semin's got too obvious a skill set. Babcock would invariably make him the fourth line goalie or something.

If they were unwilling to sign Semin to a 1-year deal, what was it $1.25M?, then I don't think they'd trade Helm for him.

Edited by rrasco

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If they were unwilling to sign Semin to a 1-year deal, what was it $1.25M?, then I don't think they'd trade Helm for him.

I don't think they would either. I'm being a smart ass. They'll stick with Helm or Abby on the top line wing, because surely those guys are better scoring line wingers than...Alexander Semin lol.

But just look at that shot.

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If they were unwilling to sign Semin to a 1-year deal, what was it $1.25M?, then I don't think they'd trade Helm for him.

Pretty sure it was 1 year at 7m. Then Carolina signed him long term at 7m per

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Helm and Kindl, packaged together, wouldn't get you much. But they'd probably get you Alexander Semin. Just sayin'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEVLG8oyKnA

Then again, Semin's got too obvious a skill set. Babcock would invariably make him the fourth line goalie or something.

A guy that can shoot bullets, carry the puck into the zone and play decent defense (please watch him and don't stereotype him).

Psshh.. who needs that.

Edit: Just did a quick lookup on Abby vs Semin

Semin last 2 years (Carolina Only)

GP - 109

G - 35

A - 51

P - 86

Abby Career (7 Years)

GP - 327

G - 38

A - 50

P - 88

But Abby is the elite winger we need, especially when we play teams like Boston. I mean look how great he did in the playoffs last year against them....

Edited by darkmanx

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i dont like the forwards lines

defense is acceptable unless they send xo down.

waive kindl or lashoff whats the worse that can happen someone picks him? whoopdeedoo i could care less at this point. if someone going to make mistakes i rather it be a kid and one who can make up for his mistake by scoring.

i really liked the tats dats helm line and think tats earned a top 6 spot. in preseason tats showed he can score and create plays against other top players where nyquist wasnt as noticeable.

sitting weiss doesnt make sense. if you want him to get going you need to play him if you want to trade him you have to play him now it would be a real kick in the balls to play nestrasil over weiss if datsyuk doesnt play.

throw him on wing with Z and mule, try to get them all going

on the other hand nyquist hasnt looked too hot throw him against some weaker competition to get his confidence going. nyquist sheehan jurco.

and then you got your grind line with abs glen and miller/andy

i dont believe abs deserves top 6 minutes hes showed it time after time. he had ******* datsyuk at center and still can barely score. babs has to get it out of his head that they NEED a screen in front of a goalie to score goals. homer was amazing and the best at what he did. there is no one else in the league that will ever be able to do what he did. especially not abby or cleary

i know my lines will never happen. but i think the most important part is to keep the lines together whether they suck or dont. need to build chemistry. you could see in preseason not many players had any chemistry they didnt know where other players were going to be which lead to a lot of turn overs.

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I think abbys just there at the moment to create space and keep the flies off of Z and Dats. If babs honestly believes at this point, thats abby's the answer, well then i have no idea what to say.

Besides, dats wont even play game 1, the line of $10 million of scratches is just to light a fire under em. Nesty to keep him hungry n honest, weiss to add urgency, and cleary, well because he sucks.

I see

Z Dats Tats

Nyq Weiss Franzen

Helm sheahan Jurco

Abby glend Miller

And to piggyback onto my last post, any mix of Helm/Andy/Kindl/Cleary/Lashoff/abby for Semin on Dats wing would be great.

Edited by RedWang

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I think abbys just there at the moment to create space and keep the flies off of Z and Dats. If babs honestly believes at this point, thats abby's the answer, well then i have no idea what to say.

Besides, dats wont even play game 1, the line of $10 million of scratches is just to light a fire under em. Nesty to keep him hungry n honest, weiss to add urgency, and cleary, well because he sucks.

I see

Z Dats Tats

Nyq Weiss Franzen

Helm sheahan Jurco

Abby glend Miller

And to piggyback onto my last post, any mix of Helm/Andy/Kindl/Cleary/Lashoff/abby for Semin on Dats wing would be great.

I can dig this up for you tmrw while I'm at work (on my phone) but a former employee of the wings did an AMA on reddit (very interesting read, I recommend to all, some very funny stories about Hudler) he basically stated that when Semin was an FA the wings were interested and went to Datsyuk about it. They asked Pavel if he'd like to play with him, and if he'd take Semin under his wing (watch his off ice antics). Pavs said no.

I lost all interest in Semin when I read this.

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I can dig this up for you tmrw while I'm at work (on my phone) but a former employee of the wings did an AMA on reddit (very interesting read, I recommend to all, some very funny stories about Hudler) he basically stated that when Semin was an FA the wings were interested and went to Datsyuk about it. They asked Pavel if he'd like to play with him, and if he'd take Semin under his wing (watch his off ice antics). Pavs said no.

I lost all interest in Semin when I read this.

Ahhh yeah, i remember that, well shucks. I just want someone who can score goals damn you!! This "pull the piano" stuff is good for laughs but in all seriousness we need goal scorers.

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I can dig this up for you tmrw while I'm at work (on my phone) but a former employee of the wings did an AMA on reddit (very interesting read, I recommend to all, some very funny stories about Hudler) he basically stated that when Semin was an FA the wings were interested and went to Datsyuk about it. They asked Pavel if he'd like to play with him, and if he'd take Semin under his wing (watch his off ice antics). Pavs said no.

I lost all interest in Semin when I read this.

I had no idea that Pavel Datsyuk was the general manager of the Detroit Red Wings.

f*** you, Datsyuk, for re-signing Cleary, and trading for Quincey, and not bringing back Hossa...ya know, cuz you call the shots now.

(all in jest)

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I could see Weiss being traded. It'll free up cap space to re-sign Helm and Abby in 2 years. If Weiss gets traded, we can keep Jurco. With Nyquist and Smith as RFA's, I don't see how there's enough cap space to sign Jurco.

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I could see Weiss being traded. It'll free up cap space to re-sign Helm and Abby in 2 years. If Weiss gets traded, we can keep Jurco. With Nyquist and Smith as RFA's, I don't see how there's enough cap space to sign Jurco.

Weiss has a NTC. So unless he waives it, he's not going anywhere.

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I had no idea that Pavel Datsyuk was the general manager of the Detroit Red Wings.

f*** you, Datsyuk, for re-signing Cleary, and trading for Quincey, and not bringing back Hossa...ya know, cuz you call the shots now.

(all in jest)

Jest taken.

I think it's smart thinking by management though. No one really knows the rest of the league like the players do.

Although it backfires as well. Helm has long been a close friend of Tootoos, before he was here. I think that connection had a lot to do with the terrible Tootoo signing.

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Well, then Holland will probably have to trade Jurco. There won't be cap room for him after Nyquist and Smith sign.

I reallllly dont think theyre going to trade Jurco. Hes going to be a big part of our core in the future imo. Big, fast, has hands, plays hard down low, defensibly responsible. I think Jurcos gonna be very complete and Marian Hossa-esque one day.

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