gdt 10/11/14 GDT: Game 2 | Ducks 3 @ Red Wings 2

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Well at least this goal was worth it.

[joesuffP 1,746]

How was it a back-breaking goal? It happened in the first period of a scoreless game. Back-breaking would imply the Wings couldn't recover from it, which they clearly did. And I would contend that wasn't even a goal that was Jimmy's fault anyways. Jimmy was good in the third period against Boston and it gets overlooked because he didn't blow the lead and people couldn't jump all over him for it.

They're deflating goals. Getting scored on their first shot while we were dominating, giving up a goal on the following shift after going up in the third and to top it off losing the game in the final 30 seconds. Howard's one consistency is that he always gives up untimely goals which is imo the worst trait a goaltender can have. I want Howard to snap out of it and return to form but what happens when the wings have an off night where we don't completely outplay the other team. We won't have a chance

Edited October 12, 2014 by joesuffP

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

Definitely my favorite GDT I've seen.

Calling a Luke Glendening goal today, and I will keep doing so until he gets one!

Well, at least it only took me two games to call that. Crappy ending but this team looks exciting to me. Think we're going to have to accept that Nyquist is pretty good at this game. Edited October 12, 2014 by Wheelchairsuperhero

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

it's just that every scoring chance is in the back of the net. I never noticed a single big save from him. We were dominating in the 3rd and he lets in two on there only two decent scoring chances. Obviously a good team is going to push hard and you have to expect your goalie to make a save on a good scoring chance at least once a game. but none today and we lose

I think your dislike for Howard is screwing your perception of what happened. You say every good chance goes in but your conveniently forgetting the saves he does make. Getzlaf wide open from the slot the last couple minutes with traffic in front of him right after another wings turnover. That was a big save. The first goal was definitely his blunder but he played well the rest of the game. Certainly wasnt the reason the wings lost. You said in another post that so far Howard has been outplayed by both goalies so far. Jimmy beat Rask only giving up one goal which was a pretty darn good shot. Pretty much the same shot that Nyquist beat Andersen with tonight yet you demonize Howard for letting it in and not Andersen? Glendenings goal was extremely weak. Had Howard let that in he would be getting crucified by you and others on the boards but another goalie lets it in and he still is considered to have "outplayed" Howard.

Plain and simple there are always going to be Wings fans that point to the goalie first after a loss but in reality this game was lost mostly due to the Wings inability to finish chances and one poor officiating decision. The game should have been 4-2 before the Getzlaf incident had the forwards come through. The Wings opened the season against the two highest point teams last year and outplayed them both. Encouraging start to the season. 80 more like those two and the Wings will be alright.

[Nev 1,085]

The difference being Dom and Ozzy won the big ones.

There is no difference. Except the players they had in front of them.

I've been following the Wings on message boards for 12+ years, and it doesn't matter who is in net - Osgood, Hasek, CuJo, Howard - there is a hardcore minority of Wings fans who are never happy with our goaltending, and for who the minimum standard is 82-0-0 with a 1.000 SV% and 0.00GAA. I remember 07-08 and the endless goalie threads bitterly complaining about how bad our goaltending was (we allowed fewest goals in the league that season). I remember the 2003 playoffs, in order to beat the Ducks 4-0, CuJo would have needed a 0.75GAA and the Wings to score 2 more goals, yet for many he was the only reason we lost.

Kronwall toe-picks, Ericsson stands around like a fart in a trance, one of the best players in the world scores a sick backhand, and somehow its all Jimmys fault?

[Yzerman19 334]

Come on guys.... try to be objective a little bit. Why blaming it on someone particularly??? To be fair and i've said it since the middle of 3rd period, the reason we've lost is because of the lack of scoring. You can't win in this league if your offense is scoring 2 goals only per game. All those missed opportunities we had should have given us the opportunity to win by a large margin. Enough of blaming the refs, the d's, or the goaltender. Yeah a stupid non call, an own trip with the board, lead to a turnover then the winning goal. But all of you watched the game and no one is actually blaming it on our forward who several times missed point blank opportunities or empty nets.... (Nesty once, andersson 2 or 3 times, nyquist once, glendenning 2 times, and i certainly forgot some)

So let's face it, it is the same in all sports, we you dominate and can't cash in you always get burn somehow.

Our team provided a real solid effort, but the lack of success costed us the game. Try to be honest a bit with yourselves and stop talking s*** about the refs, the goalie or the D.

[wings4thecup06 504]

Yes that loss stings a little but really is there a reason to complain here if you're a wings fan? I honestly thought they played brilliantly and deserved to win the game. They're showing so much energy, speed and desire, and they responded physically to the challenge of the Ducks. Multiple times we saw guys (abby, Helm, Smith, Franzen etc) throw the body around and its great to see. Hell, when Kesler tried to take Smith's head off, Glendening was right there shoving Kesler down telling him to go **** himself.

The only thing hurting the Wings right now is a few costly defensive mistakes, but with time, if they keep playing this way, those will fade. We'll be getting Pavel back probably by next weekend at the earliest and that's also a great sign as it gives us more offensive firepower and depth. The kids have all played great thus far, and our D is looking much better than last year. I'm really liking the DeKeyser/Smith pairing and have thought they've both been solid. Like i said, theres been a couple costly turnovers the first two games, and as such pretty much all our opponents goals have come off of Red Wings mistakes. That can only be good because if we cut down/eliminate most of these, while continuing to play with speed and energy then we're in really good shape to be honest.

[LeftWinger 4,958]

is it that our forwards missed point blank or that their goalie made the big saves when called upon? That's what goalies are supposed to do. That's what Jimmy is supposed to do now and then. But I somehow cannot imagine that Glenny and Andy's point blank shots were anything near as perfect as Getz's...he is 109 times the player they are, other than poking it off his stick, jimmy didn't have a chance on the 3rd goal. I still don't like him though.

Edited October 12, 2014 by LeftWinger

[derblaueClaus 1,668]

Everything the posters above me said.

The lapses and mistakes will eventually iron out and get fewer during the season. One of our main problems last night was getting the puck on the net, at least the first two periods. Sure we were better, but the Ducks blocked a lot of the shots. I'm pretty sure that will get better too. It was only their second game. If I compare the first games now with the ones a few years back it's like day and night. Remember our start against the Blues after Lids left ? That was horrible to watch. This season we beat one of (if not the) the best teams in the NHL and outplayed the a team that won second place in the Western Conference last season. All that with speed, heart, grit and hockey that is fun to watch. It's still to early in the season to make an elaborate prediction where the Wings will be in the standings in the end. What I can predict is that we will have a lot of fun watching this team, not only this season but many more seasons to come.

Edited October 12, 2014 by derblaueClaus

[e_prime 1,936]

Ppl complained about Osgood. Ppl complained about Hasek. Ppl will complain about Howard. He's not bad, but he's also not the best, but he's ours, and for that I like him.

Till Mrazek is ready, that's my stance.

...and then ppl will complain about him.

It's the nature of the beast I'm afraid. Goals are scored. Sometimes they are scored by the other team.

Sometimes the ones scored by the other team are because of direct mistakes made by our own players.

Sometimes goals are scored because of mistakes made by the refs. ...but they are scored nevertheless.

What we need: More goals scored by our players. Whether it be even-strength, power-play, short handed; on the backs of our skilled top lined forwards, or ground-out by our fourth line. It's that simple. The defense, nor Jimmy, have been as horrible as some of you think... and the offense isn't pathetic by any stretch of the means, but we need to get some more pucks on net and we need to get them to go in.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I really don't see the mancrush with Mrazek, the guy hasn't played enough games yet << opponents didn't have enough time to figure him out once they do we will see if he's indeed as good as some expect him to be.

Also I'm already over this mistake and non surprisingly I've had a lot of fun watching the first two games so far - maybe because I don't expect the playoffs this season - but boy oh boy watching the creativity, speed and enthusiasm of the kids is fantastic. The PP needs a lot of work but this has been obvious after our great #5 retired

Love the game of Riley Sheahan as he gets bigger and stronger he also gets more physical. Danny starts to dish out some hits too

[matthewdanna 143]

It's Sunday and I am still pissed about yesterday's game. I felt from the start of the 2nd period we dominate the play. I loved the way we were skating and deserved a better fate. Fricking brain hemorrhage the way that game ended.

If I was Kronner, I would have taken off my skate that threw it at the refs head... the ref up the board stopped watching the play to pick up a stick. Pure crap.

Nesty did not look good... the 4th line, however, was awesome. Q had a good game too.

I'm missing Pavs.

[joesuffP 1,746]

I can't really blame Howard for the last two goals it's just frustrating because one way or another the guy just can't get it done. He's paid a lot of money to win games. I'll be the first guy to say he played great if he did but I haven't seen a 5M dollar goalie performance out of him these first two games

[joesuffP 1,746]

Also I said in preseason the magic duos would be Zetterberg-Nyquist and Datsyuk-Tatar. Z and Gus were instant magic last night I bet we win the game if that line stayed together all night, even though I loved what Abby brought as well. Jurco seems a tad nervous but still doing good things. There's not a lot to complain about but I still must complain after a loss.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

While watching the game last night I was upset with the non-call on Getzlaf.

However watching it today with a clear mind and from a few different angles it was the right (non)call.

He went down on his own. The stick barely touched him. It's the NHL. Be strong on your skates...

[barabbas16 499]

While watching the game last night I was upset with the non-call on Getzlaf.

However watching it today with a clear mind and from a few different angles it was the right (non)call.

He went down on his own. The stick barely touched him. It's the NHL. Be strong on your skates...

I agree with most of that. However, the thing that I look for in officiating above all else is consistency. Stick parallel to the ice making contact with the hands is a penalty the way today's NHL is called. It is called a penalty when it happens the vast majority of the time. It was not called this time. Lack of consistency with that (non) call = poor officiating.

I'd be fine with the non-call if that means they are going to stop calling that a hook across the board..... who thinks that is going to happen?..... I don't see any hands....

[GoWings1905 2,694]

While watching the game last night I was upset with the non-call on Getzlaf.

However watching it today with a clear mind and from a few different angles it was the right (non)call.

He went down on his own. The stick barely touched him. It's the NHL. Be strong on your skates...

Kronwall falling is irrelevant. It wasn't a trip that needed to be called -- it was the textbook hook on Kronwall's hands before Kronwall even went down. The hook was completely separate and should have been called regardless of what followed.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Also I said in preseason the magic duos would be Zetterberg-Nyquist and Datsyuk-Tatar. Z and Gus were instant magic last night I bet we win the game if that line stayed together all night, even though I loved what Abby brought as well. Jurco seems a tad nervous but still doing good things. There's not a lot to complain about but I still must complain after a loss.

as much as we (myself included) get tired of the over ripe thing, it seems like its kinda showing with Jurco.

He's so skilled, but needs a bit more time to settle down.

He does so many things well though that he's ready for the NHL, just his confidence and scoring.

Which i think will come, especially since he's been playing in our second line.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

While watching the game last night I was upset with the non-call on Getzlaf.

However watching it today with a clear mind and from a few different angles it was the right (non)call.

He went down on his own. The stick barely touched him. It's the NHL. Be strong on your skates...

Agreed.

Getzlaf does hook him, but it's a reaching one-hander. It's a marginal call at best. Kronwall should be stronger on the puck, and likely would've been but it looked like he toe picked and fell down. That's what caused the turnover.

Franzen needs to play to the whistle instead of throwing his hand up and crying about the no call.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

While watching the game last night I was upset with the non-call on Getzlaf.

However watching it today with a clear mind and from a few different angles it was the right (non)call.

He went down on his own. The stick barely touched him. It's the NHL. Be strong on your skates...

Agreed.

Getzlaf does hook him, but it's a reaching one-hander. It's a marginal call at best. Kronwall should be stronger on the puck, and likely would've been but it looked like he toe picked and fell down. That's what caused the turnover.

Franzen needs to play to the whistle instead of throwing his hand up and crying about the no call.

The thing that pissed me off the most about that play was the fact Ericsson just stood around and watched Getzlaf go straight to the net and didn't even try to block the lane. Everyone watched it on the replay, I can only imagine Babcock showing that to big E the second he can.

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[themcityblues 249]

Nyquist/Zetterberg is a deadly combination. I hope they stay together most of this year. Adding Franzine to the two of them looked good, too. I really like Nyq/Z/Fran as the top line.

Edited October 12, 2014 by themcityblues

[Richdg 267]

2 games and no Cleary or Weiss! Awesome!!!!!!

[joesuffP 1,746]

I like that kronwall addressed that he needs to stay on his feet there. The defense in general was a level better against the Bruins although DD has been nothing but solid both games. Ericsson's play has been concerning

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

2 games and no Cleary or Weiss! Awesome!!!!!!

Cleary I agree with, however Weiss needs to be given some looks considering how much we're paying him for and for how long. Even if it's just to try to give him some trade value. I personally think he's a good player though and could help the lineup once he gets his feet under him and some confidence.

[joesuffP 1,746]

I honestly think Babs is trying to get a rise out of Weiss so he goes h.a.m when he gets called up. If he can't outplay Sheahan he shouldn't be in the lineup

Edited October 13, 2014 by joesuffP