Jeff Petry; trade between us and oilers

[Guest Praying Mantha]

think they would take Q and Weiss for Petry? Nobody wants Kindl...he could be utilized in and out with Lashoff.

Not sure Weiss has much value at his current cap hit. But I pull the trigger on that within 2 seconds, if I'm Ken Holland's replacement.

[Ekmanc 586]

Weiss would never in a million years agree to go to Edmonton.

[JSDO3O 4]

Weiss would never in a million years agree to go to Edmonton.

Unless he doesn't get playing time here so he welcomes the chance to play somewhere....

Edited October 15, 2014 by JSDO3O

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Unless he doesn't get playing time here so he welcomes the chance to play somewhere....

If someone sat you on the sidelines of their team, would you agree to go to that icy tundra of frozen hell, or wait until an (sadly, very likely) injury occurred on your current team? I'd have my feet up, smiling in the press box before I set foot in Edmonton. Heck, at least you can get those little drinks with umbrellas with them in Florida, and there's no one in the stands to bother you.

[VM1138 1,921]

Unless he doesn't get playing time here so he welcomes the chance to play somewhere....

Weiss spent his career on a struggling bottom feeder team. He got out. He's not going to go back to that situation if he can help it, regardless of playing time. He's probably frustrated but he knows the chance is good he'll get a shot to play. Him sitting is just too weird for me, I don't see it the same as Samuelsson's constant scratch status, for example. He probably sees it that way, too.

[Guest Praying Mantha]

Weiss spent his career on a struggling bottom feeder team. He got out. He's not going to go back to that situation if he can help it, regardless of playing time. He's probably frustrated but he knows the chance is good he'll get a shot to play. Him sitting is just too weird for me, I don't see it the same as Samuelsson's constant scratch status, for example. He probably sees it that way, too.

Sammy fleeced Holland. Hopefully Weiss provides some ROI.

[13dangledangle 958]

Are you saying hell no in that you wouldn't do it? (because I obviously wouldn't either...) or that it wouldn't cost that much? Because I think it would cost that (or in that ballpark...)

I've got to disagree with you there buddy. I don't think it would take that much. The last three players of that quality to get traded were Bobby Ryan, Jason Spezza, and Ryan Kesler, and none of them went for that kind of return. Actually, not even close to that really.

The problem I see is Detroit, at least in recent years seems to pay more then they should or more...while teams like Toronto get players like JVR for Schenn

13dangledangle~

[Guest Playmaker]

If someone sat you on the sidelines of their team, would you agree to go to that icy tundra of frozen hell, or wait until an (sadly, very likely) injury occurred on your current team? I'd have my feet up, smiling in the press box before I set foot in Edmonton. Heck, at least you can get those little drinks with umbrellas with them in Florida, and there's no one in the stands to bother you.

That's why they are professional athletes, and you are not. They don't think the same way as the rest of us.

I mean, Brad McCrimmon literally gave his life to realize his dream of being a head coach. I would say that nearly every NHL player in the league if given the choice of sitting in the press box every night or getting regular playing time would pick playing every single time.

As we have seen countless times with free agency, players don't always pick the most competitive or the hippest city to play in. I would think most, if not all of them believe they will make the difference in the team and be a part of a turnaround.

[Guest DeGraa55]

I'm probably going to regret posting this:

Have you watched Franzen play this year?

Franzen is the same every year. Were just fortunate he is hot right now. With dat being out it's def a good thing. But he WILL have his cold stretches it's who he is and ALWAYS will be.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Lots of goal scorers are. What's your point?

[kipwinger 8,520]

That's why they are professional athletes, and you are not. They don't think the same way as the rest of us.

I mean, Brad McCrimmon literally gave his life to realize his dream of being a head coach. I would say that nearly every NHL player in the league if given the choice of sitting in the press box every night or getting regular playing time would pick playing every single time.

As we have seen countless times with free agency, players don't always pick the most competitive or the hippest city to play in. I would think most, if not all of them believe they will make the difference in the team and be a part of a turnaround.

McCrimmon gave his life to be a head coach? Are you suggesting that he somehow knew he was going to die, but did it anyway to realize his dream?

Or are you exaggerating for effect?

It's probably a little more accurate to say "he died doing what he loved", or "he died after realizing a life long dream". He didn't really "give his life" for anything as it implies he volunteered to die.

Edited October 16, 2014 by kipwinger

[VM1138 1,921]

Lots of goal scorers are. What's your point?

Franzen takes streaky to th next level. He'll score fifteen in five games, then go twenty three without scoring.

[kliq 3,755]

Holland probably sees things this way too. Which is most likely why a deal hasn't happened.

100% agree. I've said it a million times, its all about making the right move, not just simply making a move.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Why does Franzen have to be brought up in every single thread? A topic about a potential trade with a defenseman on another team, and the Franzen hate still flows in. Franzen is playing the best hockey I've seen him play ever, and that includes 2007-10 playoffs. No he's not scoring at will like he seemed to be back then but he's skating great, fore-checking and back-checking as hard or harder than anyone on the team, and he still gets heat from the same old people on here. Give it a ******* rest. Franzen has said prior to the season starting that he is in the best shape of his career and it has shown. Hate all you want but I bet he puts up career numbers this season.

On topic, of all the defenseman rumored to be available, Petry is probably the most appealing, relative to cost of course. He is the much needed right handed defenseman that can help out on our power-play, he is big (6'3", 200lbs.) and plays big, he's a hitting and shot blocking machine and would lead our team in both categories by a long shot. If he can be had for a relatively low price, I think we should go after him. Kindl and Backman or Marchenko and a mid to late round pic?...

[kipwinger 8,520]

Why does Franzen have to be brought up in every single thread? A topic about a potential trade with a defenseman on another team, and the Franzen hate still flows in. Franzen is playing the best hockey I've seen him play ever, and that includes 2007-10 playoffs. No he's not scoring at will like he seemed to be back then but he's skating great, fore-checking and back-checking as hard or harder than anyone on the team, and he still gets heat from the same old people on here. Give it af****** rest. Franzen has said prior to the season starting that he is in the best shape of his career and it has shown. Hate all you want but I bet he puts up career numbers this season.

On topic, of all the defenseman rumored to be available, Petry is probably the most appealing, relative to cost of course. He is the much needed right handed defenseman that can help out on our power-play, he is big (6'3", 200lbs.) and plays big, he's a hitting and shot blocking machine and would lead our team in both categories by a long shot. If he can be had for a relatively low price, I think we should go after him. Kindl and Backman or Marchenko and a mid to late round pic?...

I'd consider losing Backman for Petry...but not Marchenko. Petry is a big righty who plays defense well, blocks shots, and is good for about 25 pts. a season. Which is almost exactly what Marchenko projects as. Plus Petry is a UFA. I don't want to get him and lose him for a real NHLer. I'd rather lose Backman since there are still some question marks about him (size).

[Jesusberg 1,256]

That's why they are professional athletes, and you are not. They don't think the same way as the rest of us.

I mean, Brad McCrimmon literally gave his life to realize his dream of being a head coach. I would say that nearly every NHL player in the league if given the choice of sitting in the press box every night or getting regular playing time would pick playing every single time.

As we have seen countless times with free agency, players don't always pick the most competitive or the hippest city to play in. I would think most, if not all of them believe they will make the difference in the team and be a part of a turnaround.

I'm pretty sure I'm not a professional hockey player because I'm s*** at hockey, but hey... maybe it's my love for those little umbrellas that keeps me out of the NHL.

My point was, the guy isn't going to be pushed out by being benched a few games. I'm pretty sure that's the last thing, on a team where players continually overstay their welcome, that Detroit management would do to a player. Especially if you consider (like I do) that Detroit has become a less favorable destination that it has been in the past. Why would they purposely bury a guy on the bench in hopes of him requesting a trade? If that was Ken Holland's MO, Kindl would be riding the pine, since they're actively trying to move him.

I'm not even going to touch the McCrimmon comment. Come on, now.

[Ekmanc 586]

Well Bäckman is 6'2, I see no reason why size would be an issue for him and why he couldn't put on a few pounds, he is still quite young. I also think he will be a better defender in the long run than Marchenko, Bäckman has great vision.

[nawein 324]

I'd consider losing Backman for Petry...but not Marchenko. Petry is a big righty who plays defense well, blocks shots, and is good for about 25 pts. a season. Which is almost exactly what Marchenko projects as. Plus Petry is a UFA. I don't want to get him and lose him for a real NHLer. I'd rather lose Backman since there are still some question marks about him (size).

I'm the other way around from you on that one. Petry is what Marchenko should and probably will turn out to be, so we don't need them both. Plus I like Backmans offensive skill set, I think his ceiling is higher and I really believe if Backman was 20 pounds heavier he'd be an NHL defenseman today.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I agree Ekmanc. I think Marchenko is more NHL ready right now but I think Backman will be the better player down the road.

I also think Petry would likely resign if things go well here in Detroit. I know there would be no guarantees (Legeand) but he is a local boy, so he would likely re-up after the season.

I would also rather have an NHL defenseman that is what he is now, rather than a kid that projects to be that in 3-5 years.

Either way, I think Petry would be a great fit here and I hope Kenny goes after him before giving up any major assets for one of the bigger names being floated around.

Edited October 16, 2014 by krsmith17

[nawein 324]

It looks like it might take more than we think to get Petry. Looks like we wouldn't trade Helm for him this summer.

http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2014/10/16/rumors-i-red-wings-oilers-sabres-and-penguins/

[Ekmanc 586]

I would gladly trade away Helm for a defender. We have tons of forwards coming up in the next 1-2years but we need help on defense now this season.

[Crashnburnluder 385]

The problem I see is Detroit, at least in recent years seems to pay more then they should or more...while teams like Toronto get players like JVR for Schenn13dangledangle~

That's because they made sure to trade him before his value falls through the floor, and they are kinda doing the same with kadri.

[kipwinger 8,520]

Right but if Marchenko is just going to be the same kind of player anyway, and be on an entry level deal (or bridge deal) for the next 2-4 years, why wouldn't you keep him instead? You get the same thing for a more cost effective price.

All in all though, I personally don't think we need a guy like Petry no matter who's traded for him though. He reminds me of Stralman during UFA. He's a righty, so he's in the discussion, but ultimately he's not what we need. He's not a PP threat, and not overly offensively gifted. If he was a lefty we wouldn't even be talking about him. Our organization is starting to get messianic about a right shot defenseman, but if he's not better than Smith, and he's more expensive, and there's a chance he'd leave, then why pursue him? Just because he's a righty?

As for Backman...I think he's going to be good, his skating and vision (as mentioned) are superb. I'm basing my comments about his size on the interviews during training camp in which he (and the beat writers) were saying he didn't gain weight easily. That he was getting stronger but not noticeably getting bigger. That's all. I'm not trying to knock the guy, I'm sure he's really skilled. He's just skinny.

Personally, I wouldn't trade for any of those guys except Yandle. He's the only one who's OBVIOUSLY better than something we've got already. He's the only one with a dynamic skill set. He's the only one who, simply by virtue of being on the ice, makes us more of a threat. The other guys are slightly above average puck movers with lots of question marks...and we've got those already.

I would gladly trade away Helm for a defender. We have tons of forwards coming up in the next 1-2years but we need help on defense now this season.

I totally agree, provided Stephen Weiss gets to play one day and that's he's actually good when he does.

[Ekmanc 586]

Well Strålman would've been a great fit here, would've instantly made our defense ten times more stable.

[kipwinger 8,520]

Well Strålman would've been a great fit here, would've instantly made our defense ten times more stable.

I'm not sure about that. He's a good player, but he's basically a righty Dekeyser (as is Petry). Good defensively with midling offense. I think the whole point in looking at guys like Myers, Green, Boyle, Niskanen, Yandle, etc. is that they produce offense (or are supposed to). A guy that tops out around 20-25 pts. a season with good defense isn't what we're after right now. We need offensive ability from the back end. Guys like Stralman or Petry just aren't going to give that to you with any degree of likelihood.