Guest Praying Mantha Report post Posted October 21, 2014 We need Weiss to be our 2nd line scoring center. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannedforlife 403 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 100 agree jimmyemeryhunter I cant believe most ppl are wanting to have miller and andy off that forth line when it has been amazing so far I don't want that line messed with when there isn't nothing wrong with it remember if ant broke I would assume though someone needs t be moved to lighten the load which is why if everyone continues to play as they have I would be ok with moving Weiss if he wanted to waive the trade clause and if we could package him and kindl for a good top 4 d man hell yea that gives us a win/win both ways keeps a strong forward lineup and a good defensive lineup you might even beable to sneak Ouellete in there too to get him to play as well than you couldn't imagine the progress I agree so than what do we do with him and would it be smart to just trade him away from a pick if we cant get a least a decent return on d for him ok so they haven't been SCORING but sometimes you take what you can get glendening has a goal so far and could have had another against any other goalie last night who wasn't named Beriner truth is I like how well they have played so far and am willing to give that line the benefit if they continue to be Aces on the P ill however I agree we need more offense but hopefully when Dats gets back we can get some lines adjusted for that and who knows maybe Mantha might still be an option however I doubt we pull off getting any top 6 forward in a trade Are all the punctuation keys on your keyboard broken? 2 Internet.Unknown and FireCaptain reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 Are all the punctuation keys on your keyboard broken? yup had to switch up laptops a lot of letters are broke everythings good now 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 yup had to switch up laptops a lot of letters are broke everythings good now Lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,521 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 Here's the post I made in the Franzen thread regarding Weiss. I can understand Weiss being rusty from his time off, but I don't think we should handicap his performance based on his linemates. He's a 12 year veteran of the league and a professional athlete. If you have Henrik Zetterberg coming off a long term injury, even if you put him on the 4th line on the wing, you're going to see flashes of Zetterberg. I realize not everyone is Hank, but look at Darren Helm. He came off a long injury but still looked like himself when he got back, just a slightly rustier version. I don't know what's going on with the guy but I've seen none of that from Weiss. I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's so easy to compare the Weiss situation to Zetterberg or Helm. Those guys were returning to a system they knew, in positions they were familiar with, and the absolute confidence of the man dishing out the playing time. None of which is true of Weiss. I don't think (as I'm sure you'd agree) that Weiss gets an unlimited blank check because of this. But two things jumped out to me after Weiss' first game back... 1) "I've never played left wing in my life so that's tough too, trying to figure out the system as a winger. All of that stuff is tough. It was fun to be back in the mix, playing again in a game and hopefully we can do more here coming up." - Stephen Weiss 2) "He got an opportunity to play in a game," Babcock said. "He didn't get a ton of opportunity but at least he got in the game and got some action going. Weisser, it's not going to happen overnight. I'm not expecting a guy to look good in his first game back, in a new position, with the coach readily admitting that they're not giving him much of an opportunity. And then there's this, which is worth thinking about... "But we're happy with him. We think he's going in the right direction. We think his attitude is great and we think he's working hard." -Babs 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's so easy to compare the Weiss situation to Zetterberg or Helm. Those guys were returning to a system they knew, in positions they were familiar with, and the absolute confidence of the man dishing out the playing time. None of which is true of Weiss. I don't think (as I'm sure you'd agree) that Weiss gets an unlimited blank check because of this. But two things jumped out to me after Weiss' first game back... 1) "I've never played left wing in my life so that's tough too, trying to figure out the system as a winger. All of that stuff is tough. It was fun to be back in the mix, playing again in a game and hopefully we can do more here coming up." - Stephen Weiss 2) "He got an opportunity to play in a game," Babcock said. "He didn't get a ton of opportunity but at least he got in the game and got some action going. Weisser, it's not going to happen overnight. I'm not expecting a guy to look good in his first game back, in a new position, with the coach readily admitting that they're not giving him much of an opportunity. And then there's this, which is worth thinking about... "But we're happy with him. We think he's going in the right direction. We think his attitude is great and we think he's working hard." -Babs That last bit I found quite interesting, and Weiss said pretty much the same thing. It's going to be a process, and it's reassuring that the parties involved aren't looking at this as a failure like so many of us fans are, but rather as a small step in the right direction. 2 krsmith17 and kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Praying Mantha Report post Posted October 21, 2014 I think most people are just a bit upset that we are not thru the process yet. 5 mil per is a lot to pay for a student when we had a younger version up to speed already in Filppula. Weiss was someone we were expecting to bring an element we were lacking. Now it just looks like we are trying desperately to get him up to Red Wings System material status instead of someone we rely on. That's a bit frustrating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 I think most people are just a bit upset that we are not thru the process yet. 5 mil per is a lot to pay for a student when we had a younger version up to speed already in Filppula. Weiss was someone we were expecting to bring an element we were lacking. Now it just looks like we are trying desperately to get him up to Red Wings System material status instead of someone we rely on. That's a bit frustrating. Flip turned down the same contract he signed in Tampa from us, then came circling back to us and we had already spent the money by then so he signed the same deal we offered him in Tampa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 I think most people are just a bit upset that we are not thru the process yet. 5 mil per is a lot to pay for a student when we had a younger version up to speed already in Filppula. Weiss was someone we were expecting to bring an element we were lacking. Now it just looks like we are trying desperately to get him up to Red Wings System material status instead of someone we rely on. That's a bit frustrating. It is frustrating, but injuries are a part of the game....what can you do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) I think most people are just a bit upset that we are not thru the process yet. 5 mil per is a lot to pay for a student when we had a younger version up to speed already in Filppula. Weiss was someone we were expecting to bring an element we were lacking. Now it just looks like we are trying desperately to get him up to Red Wings System material status instead of someone we rely on. That's a bit frustrating. Definitely, its frustrating. But in the meantime, the Wings are sitting pretty at 3-1-1 after their first week, against pretty solid competition. Not only is this without our second line center in Weiss, but also our first line center in Datsyuk. If Weiss is able to get up to speed and become the player that he's known to be, the Wings could be dangerous come playoff time. Edited October 21, 2014 by Echolalia 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Praying Mantha Report post Posted October 21, 2014 Definitely, its frustrating. But in the meantime, the Wings are sitting pretty at 3-1-1 after their first week, against pretty solid competition. Not only is this without our second line center in Weiss, but also our first line center in Datsyuk. If Weiss is able to get up to speed and become the player that he's known to be, the Wings could be dangerous come playoff time. Great call. He's got 6 months to find himself. He should be able to do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 Great call. He's got 6 months to find himself. He should be able to do that. I think he'll be playing big minutes before the new year. But that's just one man's opinion 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Praying Mantha Report post Posted October 21, 2014 I think he'll be playing big minutes before the new year. But that's just one man's opinion I agree. I think 2 months to round into game shape and learn his defensive responsibilities is about right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 It's simple Weiss either shows up or he finds himself looking at a spot on this team soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 this whole scenario is baffling to me. Is he injured still? Not at 100%? Is he 100% and just crappy? Does Babs just not like him? I guess none of us will really know the truth, but IMO, he must be just wanting to take it slow in order to NOT re-injure himself again. If not, then you would think he'd be asking for Holland to trade him somewhere he will get to play...I cannot imagine he is just happy collecting a check and riding the press pine...not many NHL players strike me as that type. "Of course I have been known to be wrong....from time to time." 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 It's simple Weiss either shows up or he finds himself looking at a spot on this team soon. It's not that simple. Your man Babcock put Legwand on the 4th line vs Boston last year. There was nothing going on with his production that justified that. Babcock's got his reasons for doing things that we don't always comprehend. With Weiss I think there's more to it then whether or not he simply "shows up". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 I do agree Babcock does things that makes me wonder, but again, is Weiss just that far into the dog house? I didn't understand the Chelios, Modano, Commodore, Tootoo or Legwand situations either...maybe it's just too late for Weiss. Once Babcock doesn't like you on his team, you're done. Makes me wonder if way back in the day, if Shanny left for the reason's he gave, or was there an issue with Babcock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 I do agree Babcock does things that makes me wonder, but again, is Weiss just that far into the dog house? I didn't understand the Chelios, Modano, Commodore, Tootoo or Legwand situations either...maybe it's just too late for Weiss. Once Babcock doesn't like you on his team, you're done. Makes me wonder if way back in the day, if Shanny left for the reason's he gave, or was there an issue with Babcock. Who knows. But the thing is babs doesn't seem to dislike Weiss. I think babs sees the team is playing well without him and wants him to take baby steps to get back 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Praying Mantha Report post Posted October 21, 2014 Who knows. But the thing is babs doesn't seem to dislike Weiss. I think babs sees the team is playing well without him and wants him to take baby steps to get back I hope this is the case. We could use a 40-50 pt 2nd line center. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 ...at least he isn't playing Cleary and sitting Weiss. That would be the telling point there! I hope baby steps are what we need for Weiss. If he could get that 50 point action going again, then that would be great! Lets hope we don't have another player that we keep saying "if he returns to form" with. I think its obvious that certain player is really struggling to re-become what he was in 08-09, and I hope the same doesn't happen to Weiss. We could really use him... 2 Nevermind and hooon reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 Man, I wish Babs would give him a chance to get going. I know Nestrasil played good in the PS, but so far he's been along for the ride more then anything. Credit to him for making the roster, but I'd like to see Weiss. Remember Helm playing on the wing in the PS? What happened to that? I'd like to see Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Helm Nyquist-Weiss-Abdelkader Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco Miller-Glendening-Andersson/Nestrasil Dano But that's just me. It's a long season and clearly we don't need him right now, but I think if we could get him going in anyway would be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimeBinder 28 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 Weiss is useless - and what can they do about his contract? Thought he would be hungry - but looked lost. Not his first rodeo - no excuse - try at least. like I said before; another Samuelsson contract - have a nice time riding the pine 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 Filppula wanted out and I think TB will regret that deal. He's never had 2 back to back healthy productive seasons. 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ram 240 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 The team looks good as is, but I wish they would at least put him in one game for Nestrasil or Joakim, just so us as fans have a heads up as to what in the world the deal is. His contract is just alarming, they need to do something about that, and I don't think anyone is going to want to take it, it's much like trying to trade Franzen. Wings need to lock up Nyquist too. Hope they can figure out something about this guy because right now it's just confusing and he literally does nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 They need to get him in the lineup with skilled players Z-pav- jurco Mule- Weiss- nyquist Tatar- sheahan- helm Abby- glenny- miller/joker This is the lines we need to go with. We will score goals with this lineup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
