slava voynov suspended after domestic violence arrest

[Guest DeGraa55]

you are missing a point. it doesn't matter what somebody think about heatley punishment.

the big question here is why NHL and public jumped on decision about Voynov's guilt even before he was charged with anything. And they allowed Heatley play as soon as he got ready even he has been charged with manslaughter...

It's because of what happened in the nfl recently.

[kliq 3,755]

The Dany Heatley incident happened in 2003. As recent as it may feel, that is 11 years ago. Over an 11 year time period you can expect the disciplinary process of any league to change.

If the Heatley incident happened last year, maybe you could compare the two (though I still feel they are way too different). A completely differant incident 11 years ago, you really cant compare the two.

[number9 3,297]

I hope he receives a fair and just ruling under due process of the law. Contrary to some people's view on this forum, Slava Voynov is not an animal, he's a human being just like you or me. Innocent until proven guilty by a court of law.

[ami 273]

... Over an 11 year time period you can expect the disciplinary process of any league to change.

If the Heatley incident happened last year, maybe you could compare the two (though I still feel they are way too different). A completely differant incident 11 years ago, you really cant compare the two.

Let's compare Varlamov then

[kliq 3,755]

Let's compare Varlamov then

Okay. I couldn't remember the Varlamov situation to well, so I looked it up. What I read on CBC.ca is the following (link posted below):

"Prosecutors said Friday that they are dropping a domestic violence case against Colorado Avalanche goalie Semyon Varlamov because they have new information leading them to believe they couldn't win a conviction."

In the case of Voynov, he was actually charged with a felony count of domestic violence. Similar accusations as Varlamov, but different assessment from law enforcement.

Either way, I am curious what you are trying to say here:

Are you saying that Varlamov should have faced harsher penalty when he was initially put into police custody? Or are you saying that the NHL is acting to harsh with Voynov?

If you worked with the NHL, what would you do?

Personally I feel that when these types of accusations happen, it puts the NHL in a very tough situation. If I were Bettman, I wouldn't want to make judgements myself, I feel situations like this need to be assessed by people who see these things every day (ie. law enforcement, court system). When you try to become judge, jury, and executioner you will end up in a Goodell situation. I would likely link my disciplinary process to what the law enforcement/court system decide.

So for example, if law enforcement decided not to press charges, I would let him play. You wouldn't want to run into a situation where if someone was falsely accused and the police deemed this, the NHL still suspends. But, if the system deems there is enough evidence to go to court, I would indefinitely suspend him.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/semyon-varlamov-s-domestic-violence-case-dropped-1.2472299

[Franzine 739]

he's a human being just like you or me.

Nah.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

he's a human being just like you or me.

Nah.

Agreed animals aren't human

[ami 273]

... Or are you saying that the NHL is acting to harsh with Voynov?

If you worked with the NHL, what would you do?

Personally I feel that when these types of accusations happen, it puts the NHL in a very tough situation. If I were Bettman, I wouldn't want to make judgements myself, I feel situations like this need to be assessed by people who see these things every day (ie. law enforcement, court system). When you try to become judge, jury, and executioner you will end up in a Goodell situation. I would likely link my disciplinary process to what the law enforcement/court system decide.

So for example, if law enforcement decided not to press charges, I would let him play. You wouldn't want to run into a situation where if someone was falsely accused and the police deemed this, the NHL still suspends. But, if the system deems there is enough evidence to go to court, I would indefinitely suspend him.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/semyon-varlamov-s-domestic-violence-case-dropped-1.2472299

this.

NHL distanced themselves from the Varlamov's case and waited for court decision. Voynov was suspended without hesitation even before he was officially charged.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

... Or are you saying that the NHL is acting to harsh with Voynov?

If you worked with the NHL, what would you do?

Personally I feel that when these types of accusations happen, it puts the NHL in a very tough situation. If I were Bettman, I wouldn't want to make judgements myself, I feel situations like this need to be assessed by people who see these things every day (ie. law enforcement, court system). When you try to become judge, jury, and executioner you will end up in a Goodell situation. I would likely link my disciplinary process to what the law enforcement/court system decide.

So for example, if law enforcement decided not to press charges, I would let him play. You wouldn't want to run into a situation where if someone was falsely accused and the police deemed this, the NHL still suspends. But, if the system deems there is enough evidence to go to court, I would indefinitely suspend him.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/semyon-varlamov-s-domestic-violence-case-dropped-1.2472299

this.

NHL distanced themselves from the Varlamov's case and waited for court decision. Voynov was suspended without hesitation even before he was officially charged.

Varlamov didn't have the police report that Voynov has, at least not that's been released. He also wasn't actually suspended, which means he was paid. There are a lot of professions where certain things get you paid time off during an investigation before you're formally charged. This is and should be the case here.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/04/17/kings-jarret-stoll-arrested-in-las-vegas-on-suspicion-of-drug-possession/

Didn't know where else to put this, but Jarret Stoll has been arrested on suspicion of possession of cocaine and MDMA(ecstasy)

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/04/17/kings-jarret-stoll-arrested-in-las-vegas-on-suspicion-of-drug-possession/

Didn't know where else to put this, but Jarret Stoll has been arrested on suspicion of possession of cocaine and MDMA(ecstasy)

And at your sig jimmy you're such a barony. Pass the Princess Twilight Sparkle Latte...

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

And at your sig jimmy you're such a barony. Pass the Princess Twilight Sparkle Latte...

Bahahahaha.

I use the mobile version, so I don't see the sigs, so thanks for the heads up.

That makes my night.

Haha

[Vladinator16 236]

Everybody knew the Kings had a strong possession game, didn't know they took it that far though.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Everybody knew the Kings had a strong possession game, didn't know they took it that far though.

Hahaha. Nice.

Edited September 4, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Voynov has been taken into custody by US immigration.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/kings/la-sp-0904-kings-voynov-20150904-story.html

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Voynov has been taken into custody by US immigration.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/kings/la-sp-0904-kings-voynov-20150904-story.html

That doesn't sound good. Edited September 4, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[number9 3,297]

Looks like another Richards situation. Cancel his contract for free Kings! No buy out necessary, cause you're team is special.

[wings87 1,290]

The Voynov deportation hearing, seems to be more political than anything else, to me anyway.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

good send that stupid animal back home. As a guest you either behave or get into the next plane home.

wish the police would do this stuff more often , thumbs up

[martinezsvsu 240]

Looks like another Richards situation. Cancel his contract for free Kings! No buy out necessary, cause you're team is special.

We should have planted drugs on weiss

[number9 3,297]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/kings/la-sp-0904-kings-voynov-20150904-story.html

"According to the victim, she is scared of the defendant and he is very aggressive when he drinks," Voynov's probation report said. "She admitted this was not the first time the defendant has struck her.

Sad.

NHL is probably crossing their fingers that he gets deported that way they can avoid dealing with it themselves and making a precedent setting decision.

Also makes them look like less of hypocrites with the Richards thing going on at the same time.

[ami 273]

Removed all post since it was edited by moderator to the point when its meaning was reversed to exactly opposite.

Edited September 5, 2015 by ami
Political discussion

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

send him home

not at all. he's up to deportation due to his conviction.

I think he's just saying if he was from somewhere other than Russia, he wouldn't be getting deported.

[wings87 1,290]

I think he's just saying if he was from somewhere other than Russia, he wouldn't be getting deported.

Exactly. In fact a lot of people with convictions don't get sent back.

[chaps80 1,591]

Looks like another Richards situation. Cancel his contract for free Kings! No buy out necessary, cause you're team is special.

No doubt. What a joke. He has a non hockey related injury..how the hell does that allow them to ditch the contract? If he did'nt have the assault charge, you can guarantee we would'nt even have heard about it.