Guest Praying Mantha Report post Posted October 21, 2014 Nahhh man. Jurcos going to be a good scorer, but he's not a defensive guy. You don't have skill play fourth line minutes. 4th line minutes have been 16-17 lately! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 4th line minutes have been 16-17 lately!So what you're saying is they've been crucial to us playing this well, yet you want to break them up? 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Praying Mantha Report post Posted October 21, 2014 So what you're saying is they've been crucial to us playing this well, yet you want to break them up? No. I'm saying I'm wanting more than 2 goals per game. We need more scoring. 2nd and third lines need to provide it, because our 4th doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 this is why Holland's off season was such a failure. Heatley - Datsyuk - Iginla Franzen - Zetterberg - Nyquist Jurco - Sheahan - Tatar Abdelkader - Helm - Glendening Lol. Heatley? On the 1st line? That would be the slowest line in the history of the NHL. an ex 50-goal scorer only got offered one contract, at 1M for a reason. Hes terrible now. If anything, maybe a 3rd line sniper every other game or so. Iggy would have been a good pick up but he was never an option for us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 I think people are thinking of Dany Heatley circa 2007. Last year Dany Heatley got 28 points in 76 games and was a minus 18. I don't want him near this team. 1 WingsallTheway reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 I think people are thinking of Dany Heatley circa 2007. Last year Dany Heatley got 28 points in 76 games and was a minus 18. I don't want him near this team. STFU HES AN EFFIN ALLSTAR 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 STFU HES AN EFFIN ALLSTAR #50in07 2 kliq and number9 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 #50in07 #12in14 2 WingsallTheway and Motown4013 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) #12in14 #retiredin15 if holland is around: #NMCin2019 ok im done Edited October 22, 2014 by WingsallTheway 2 kliq and number9 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 Can you imagine an '07 Heatley with a Glendenning work ethic? Oh my... But I digress... When is Franzen's 7 th IR day? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 Can you imagine an '07 Heatley with a Glendenning work ethic? Oh my... But I digress... When is Franzen's 7 th IR day? He should be available vs Philly on the weekend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 Looking forward to Franzen coming back. It'll help our offense. Don't really understand a lot of the thoughts in this thread... PK/GA is near top of the league and PP/GF is near bottom = trade/waive/sit the 4th line penalty killers! Yeah ok.... 3 sjr2012, PavelValerievichDatsyuk and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 Looking forward to Franzen coming back. It'll help our offense. Don't really understand a lot of the thoughts in this thread... PK/GA is near top of the league and PP/GF is near bottom = trade/waive/sit the 4th line penalty killers! Yeah ok.... I don't understand your point. What's wrong with trade/waive/sit 4th liners when they provide nothing offensively? Not saying I agree with it. But when the offense is one of the worst in the league shouldn't we be adding a goal scorer or two? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 677 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 I don't understand your point. What's wrong with trade/waive/sit 4th liners when they provide nothing offensively? Not saying I agree with it. But when the offense is one of the worst in the league shouldn't we be adding a goal scorer or two? Yes but not by replacing a 4th liner. 1 sjr2012 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 Yes but not by replacing a 4th liner. this all day and on the subject who the hell are we going to get that would provide that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 Yes but not by replacing a 4th liner. Actually yes. Sliding helm and nestrasil down to the fourth would be even better. It would mean that we'd have people actually capable of being in the top 9 up there. Maybe you're not aware of the roster restrictions? You cant have 37 people on your roster.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Praying Mantha Report post Posted October 22, 2014 Actually yes. Sliding helm and nestrasil down to the fourth would be even better. It would mean that we'd have people actually capable of being in the top 9 up there. Maybe you're not aware of the roster restrictions? You cant have 37 people on your roster.... GREAT point. Miller and Andersson are extremely ineffective offensively, but everyone defends them to the bitter end. Why? Helm-Glendening-Jurco = killer 4th line. Miller-Glendening-Andersson = but but but but ... the pk is good. I don't want Glendening, Miller, and Andersson logging 15 mins a night. That's not gonna help us. We need more offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 677 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Actually yes. Sliding helm and nestrasil down to the fourth would be even better. It would mean that we'd have people actually capable of being in the top 9 up there. Maybe you're not aware of the roster restrictions? You cant have 37 people on your roster.... That's not what I thought you meant, everybody on that fourth line is on the team. But I still think replacing Nesty and leaving the fourth line alone is better but I dont know what's available. Edited October 22, 2014 by Mckinley25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 People seem to think that by adding talent to the top, everyone just bumps down the depth chart and their role changes. Nope. This isn't a video game. Glendening, Andersson and Miller are doing a great job in their checking/shutdown role through the first few games. So much so that they've earned more playing time. They've had some of the toughest matchups and have shut down the opposition from scoring. Limiting goals is just as important as scoring them. Look to the top-9 guys if you have issues with the amount of goals being scored. 8 barabbas16, derblaueClaus, number9 and 5 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nawein 324 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 People seem to think that by adding talent to the top, everyone just bumps down the depth chart and their role changes. Nope. This isn't a video game. Glendening, Andersson and Miller are doing a great job in their checking/shutdown role through the first few games. So much so that they've earned more playing time. They've had some of the toughest matchups and have shut down the opposition from scoring. Limiting goals is just as important as scoring them. Look to the top-9 guys if you have issues with the amount of goals being scored. This. Thisthisthisthisthis. Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
derblaueClaus 1,668 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 People seem to think that by adding talent to the top, everyone just bumps down the depth chart and their role changes. Nope. This isn't a video game. Glendening, Andersson and Miller are doing a great job in their checking/shutdown role through the first few games. So much so that they've earned more playing time. They've had some of the toughest matchups and have shut down the opposition from scoring. Limiting goals is just as important as scoring them. Look to the top-9 guys if you have issues with the amount of goals being scored. Can't cite this often enough. Not only is Miller good at was he's supposed to be doing he is also very cheap capwise which gives the team the possibility to sign better top-6/9 guys. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barabbas16 499 Report post Posted October 22, 2014 People seem to think that by adding talent to the top, everyone just bumps down the depth chart and their role changes. Nope. This isn't a video game. Glendening, Andersson and Miller are doing a great job in their checking/shutdown role through the first few games. So much so that they've earned more playing time. They've had some of the toughest matchups and have shut down the opposition from scoring. Limiting goals is just as important as scoring them. Look to the top-9 guys if you have issues with the amount of goals being scored. Yes. There is a problem with scoring, but I don't believe that the solution to that problem is to fix a line that isn't broken. The "3rd line" (Helm/Nestrasil/) is essentially worthless and the kid line needs to be broken up because it is not producing any offense. But, the "4th line" (Glendening/Miller/Andersson) is doing what it is supposed to do. I was not sold on Glendening or Andersson at the beginning of the season, but that line works and it eats up minutes against top lines. Those are hard defensive minutes that the top lines don't have to play, and should allow them to produce more offense. And, it's a small sample size (but it's all we have to go on for these lines), but I'm pretty sure the Glendening line has produced about as many goal as either of the 2nd or 3rd lines thus far this season. Break up the kid line and/or the worthless 3rd line. Leave the 4th line alone. 1 PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 Sorry but Abby helm and glendening would be a much better fourth line. And they're cheap. Or miller helm glendening if Abby is in top six... That leaves the kids for third line(Tatar Sheahan jurco) Top six Franzen z nyquist Abby dat and the winger that we've been missing Or Z dat Abby Nyquist Weiss Franzen That's the best we can have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 Sorry but Abby helm and glendening would be a much better fourth line. And they're cheap. Or miller helm glendening if Abby is in top six... That leaves the kids for third line(Tatar Sheahan jurco) Top six Franzen z nyquist Abby dat and the winger that we've been missing Or Z dat Abby Nyquist Weiss Franzen That's the best we can have. In that scenario you have 2.7 million in capspace to fit in a winger. Not only are you going to have to give up assets to obtain a top 6 winger, but you're going to have clear cap space as well. Which means giving up some good pieces. No one wants scrubs anyway though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themcityblues 249 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) When Franzen comes back he can say he doesn't try to "score goals" or "play 82 games". Just kidding. It's odd, though, how he always gets hurt after a big night. With his strange interviews and poor response to fans' criticism, I'd say a lot of his issues are psychological in nature. Maybe the 7-day IR is a time for him to de-stress emotionally. You guys remember his bizarre disappearance last year? That was never explained. This event seems just as vague and strange. Edited October 23, 2014 by themcityblues Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
