10/29 GDT - Red Wings 4 @ Capitals 2

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Jurco and Nesty have100X more energy than Franzen and actually have the other team turning around to watch them scrambling all over the ice. Franzen one dimensional and ALL teams know his inconsistencies... I am not denying the fact that before his well expected injury, he was playing good. I did praise him by saying one game "Who is this Franzen guy and what did he do with my Francine..." but that doesn't mean that he is going to bring anything more to the table that he doesn't normally bring. I guess I should have used the term IMO, he is replaceable. I happen to think that the chemistry that Jurco brings to this team with Tatar and Sheahan, is better than throwing Franzen in there to float around and put up 5 points in 4 games every couple of months...then get injured again. The team is cruising along no worse now than what it was with him in the lineup, and its not like he is going to return and put up 40 goals this season, he is not a difference maker. That is the tell-tale right there.

Yep your absolutely right. Let's just write him off before giving him any more chances. Let's continue to put out "energy" guys that have 2 points between them, while Franzen has 4GP and 5 points. We clearly don't need any help scoring goals or anything.

Edited October 30, 2014 by darkmanx

[number9 3,297]

Jurco and Nesty have100X more energy than Franzen and actually have the other team turning around to watch them scrambling all over the ice. Franzen one dimensional and ALL teams know his inconsistencies... I am not denying the fact that before his well expected injury, he was playing good. I did praise him by saying one game "Who is this Franzen guy and what did he do with my Francine..." but that doesn't mean that he is going to bring anything more to the table that he doesn't normally bring. I guess I should have used the term IMO, he is replaceable. I happen to think that the chemistry that Jurco brings to this team with Tatar and Sheahan, is better than throwing Franzen in there to float around and put up 5 points in 4 games every couple of months...then get injured again. The team is cruising along no worse now than what it was with him in the lineup, and its not like he is going to return and put up 40 goals this season, he is not a difference maker. That is the tell-tale right there.

HahahHa Nestrasil better than Franzen? Keepem comin lefty u jokester u

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Burakovsky and for what?

He was on the post game with Pierre and he asked how to say his name, and he's like "I didn't know who he was, but we sure all will soon won't we? He was flying all over the ice."

[LeftWinger 4,949]

Andersson has his role, and plays it. Nestrasil is a rookie and plays his role very well....Franzen does not play his role, unless playing his role means, get a bushel of points in 3 games, then take 10 off, then get hurt. I give him credit, he was doing pretty good. I was hoping this could be the year he returned to some kind of form...but then he got injured...again. No doubt, he can score when he plays 100% and is healthy, but he is a fragile doll today. That's all. IMO Nestrasil, Jurco and Andersson do the job they are asked of them night after night...Franzen not so much.

[BrantWing19 20]

What franzen "normally does" is worlds better than what nestrasil has done this season, regardless of all this energy. Until we have someone who can put up number similar to franzen there's no reason we should not have him in the lineup when healthy. I don't think Anderson is a problem but if you give me he or franzen I take mule everytime.

Does the reply usual work ok on iPhones? I'm new here as you can see

[sjr2012 439]

HahahHa Nestrasil better than Franzen? Keepem comin lefty u jokester u

nesty needs to go on waivers when mule comes back he better not be in over jurco

Edited October 30, 2014 by sjr2012

[matt198913 932]

Rather have Mule

[Echolalia 2,961]

Jurco and Nesty have100X more energy than Franzen and actually have the other team turning around to watch them scrambling all over the ice. Franzen one dimensional and ALL teams know his inconsistencies... I am not denying the fact that before his well expected injury, he was playing good. I did praise him by saying one game "Who is this Franzen guy and what did he do with my Francine..." but that doesn't mean that he is going to bring anything more to the table that he doesn't normally bring. I guess I should have used the term IMO, he is replaceable. I happen to think that the chemistry that Jurco brings to this team with Tatar and Sheahan, is better than throwing Franzen in there to float around and put up 5 points in 4 games every couple of months...then get injured again. The team is cruising along no worse now than what it was with him in the lineup, and its not like he is going to return and put up 40 goals this season, he is not a difference maker. That is the tell-tale right there.

When Jurco and Nestrasil have a season where they put up more points than Franzen (or even close to what Franzen puts up) come back and we'll talk.

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

ALL THE BUTT PATS!!!!

Sorry I'm late to the after party, phone died.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

Manxy, how many chances does Franzen need? We've been giving him chances since 2009. I hope he comes back and score 5 points every 4 games, but in the end we all know that is not going to happen. I would take Jurco and Nesty over Franzen all day. But, some folks are still holding on to a 2008 Franzen that will never appear again. He's too fluffy now and he's never been anywhere near 2008 Franzen since he signed his "serious contract."

[barabbas16 499]

Jurco and Nesty have100X more energy than Franzen and actually have the other team turning around to watch them scrambling all over the ice. Franzen one dimensional and ALL teams know his inconsistencies... I am not denying the fact that before his well expected injury, he was playing good. I did praise him by saying one game "Who is this Franzen guy and what did he do with my Francine..." but that doesn't mean that he is going to bring anything more to the table that he doesn't normally bring. I guess I should have used the term IMO, he is replaceable. I happen to think that the chemistry that Jurco brings to this team with Tatar and Sheahan, is better than throwing Franzen in there to float around and put up 5 points in 4 games every couple of months...then get injured again. The team is cruising along no worse now than what it was with him in the lineup, and its not like he is going to return and put up 40 goals this season, he is not a difference maker. That is the tell-tale right there.

Dastyuk was out of the lineup when Franzen was in it. So, since the team was cruising along no worse then than what it is now with Datsyuk in the lineup... is Pavel not a difference maker either? Or is that not actually the tell-tale right there?

[sjr2012 439]

Manxy, how many chances does Franzen need? We've been giving him chances since 2009. I hope he comes back and score 5 points every 4 games, but in the end we all know that is not going to happen. I would take Jurco and Nesty over Franzen all day. But, some folks are still holding on to a 2008 Franzen that will never appear again. He's too fluffy now and he's never been anywhere near 2008 Franzen since he signed his "serious contract."

name anyone who can at least be a better fit than franzen right now nesty is not even close franzen might not be the 08 guy but his still good for 20 a season

Edited October 30, 2014 by sjr2012

[BrantWing19 20]

Manxy, how many chances does Franzen need? We've been giving him chances since 2009. I hope he comes back and score 5 points every 4 games, but in the end we all know that is not going to happen. I would take Jurco and Nesty over Franzen all day. But, some folks are still holding on to a 2008 Franzen that will never appear again. He's too fluffy now and he's never been anywhere near 2008 Franzen since he signed his "serious contract."

I don't think anyone is even asking for 5 points every 4 games. even with that said franzen is still more useful than nestrasil and Anderson in regards to the teams needs right now.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Manxy, how many chances does Franzen need? We've been giving him chances since 2009. I hope he comes back and score 5 points every 4 games, but in the end we all know that is not going to happen. I would take Jurco and Nesty over Franzen all day. But, some folks are still holding on to a 2008 Franzen that will never appear again. He's too fluffy now and he's never been anywhere near 2008 Franzen since he signed his "serious contract."

Yea, you take two players who have yet to put up over 20 points combined, in comparison to Mule who has put up 72 points in 95GP the last 2 years.

Good thing you don't run the team, our playoff streak would have been over before it started.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Andersson has his role, and plays it. Nestrasil is a rookie and plays his role very well....Franzen does not play his role, unless playing his role means, get a bushel of points in 3 games, then take 10 off, then get hurt. I give him credit, he was doing pretty good. I was hoping this could be the year he returned to some kind of form...but then he got injured...again. No doubt, he can score when he plays 100% and is healthy, but he is a fragile doll today. That's all. IMO Nestrasil, Jurco and Andersson do the job they are asked of them night after night...Franzen not so much.

Apparently Nestrasil's role is to be the struggling, nearly invisible rookie. He does play that role quite well.

So far this year, Franzen has been good defensively, energetic, more physical. You are are going to bee alone in your opinion here, LeftWinger

[LeftWinger 4,949]

I do hope Franzen gets back soon...so I can read all the folks in all the GDT's calling him out and complaining about him. He has to be the one guy that everyone loves when he is scoring and everyone hates when he isn't. He does not fool me...never has. I said it before and will say it again, I don't care if he scored 100 goals in 20 games, because he is going to disappear for the next 30 and then get injured. I appreciate when he scores, but I am not going to be a fan of his ever, because of the "vacation's" he takes from consistency. And he is replaceable. The last 5 games have proven that.

[BrantWing19 20]

Apparently If franzen doesn't give us 300 hits, 35 goals and 65 points per year he isn't worth his massive 3.9M cap hit

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

I do hope Franzen gets back soon...so I can read all the folks in all the GDT's calling him out and complaining about him. He has to be the one guy that everyone loves when he is scoring and everyone hates when he isn't. He does not fool me...never has. I said it before and will say it again, I don't care if he scored 100 goals in 20 games, because he is going to disappear for the next 30 and then get injured. I appreciate when he scores, but I am not going to be a fan of his ever, because of the "vacation's" he takes from consistency. And he is replaceable. The last 5 games have proven that.

Yep, don't let stats and actually watching get in the way of your argument.

[sjr2012 439]

Apparently Nestrasil's role is to be the struggling, nearly invisible rookie. He does play that role quite well.

So far this year, Franzen has been good defensively, energetic, more physical. You are are going to bee alone in your opinion here, LeftWinger

while I agree andy is decent on the 4th line he is the odd man out on a full roster id see a miller helm glendening fourth when everyones up nest is the mn out over jurco imo

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

I do hope Franzen gets back soon...so I can read all the folks in all the GDT's calling him out and complaining about him. He has to be the one guy that everyone loves when he is scoring and everyone hates when he isn't. He does not fool me...never has. I said it before and will say it again, I don't care if he scored 100 goals in 20 games, because he is going to disappear for the next 30 and then get injured. I appreciate when he scores, but I am not going to be a fan of his ever, because of the "vacation's" he takes from consistency. And he is replaceable. The last 5 games have proven that.

Yes, I hope he sucks too. Maybe it will really hurt the team and then we can all complain and complain.

Now, come on guys, we just won a big upset game! Abby's our top scorer! (with Nyquist) Maybe he has some actually offensive skill developing like he's been saying in articles. Nyquist is proving that last year wasn't a fluke! D has been better than most thought!

[BrantWing19 20]

Yes, I hope he sucks too. Maybe it will really hurt the team and then we can all complain and complain.

Now, come on guys, we just won a big upset game! Abby's our top scorer! (with Nyquist) Maybe he has some actually offensive skill developing like he's been saying in articles. Nyquist is proving that last year wasn't a fluke! D has been better than most thought!

no positively allowed

[barabbas16 499]

Apparently Nestrasil's role is to be the struggling, nearly invisible rookie. He does play that role quite well.

So far this year, Franzen has been good defensively, energetic, more physical. You are are going to bee alone in your opinion here, LeftWinger

I'll give Nestrasil the props I can give him....

He's not slow.

He's not small.

He doesn't make really stupid mistakes.

.. but it doesn't look, at this point, like he brings ANYTHING else to the table. So, I guess I'd rather have him in than a slower/smaller guy that also does nothing or a guy that makes really stupid mistakes. But, play him instead of a guy that has scored .77 points per game over the last 6+ seasons? Hell no. Franzen definitely disappears at times, but he reappears. Nestrasil hasn't even really ever appeared for the first time, let alone reappeared from his current state of invisibility.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

I was just commenting on the user who said put Franzen in and we will be dangerous. I simply said Franzen would not make a difference when he comes back and if he isn't going to make a difference it would suck to bump a more deserving player out of the lineup. I guess the answer lies when he does come back if he can go back to what he was doing. I hope he does. He, Z and Nyquist were gelling together pretty good. I will welcome that back as long as it doesn't screw up the rest of the lines. Lets hope he returns and becomes the offense and the PP cure. I hope he is, but I still am on record saying that he won't be.

Anyhow, lets not turn this nice win into a Franzen debate! It was nice to see our guys playing together and getting some chemistry going. Still not impressed with E or K. Q looked alright.

[BrantWing19 20]

I was just commenting on the user who said put Franzen in and we will be dangerous. I simply said Franzen would not make a difference when he comes back and if he isn't going to make a difference it would suck to bump a more deserving player out of the lineup. I guess the answer lies when he does come back if he can go back to what he was doing. I hope he does. He, Z and Nyquist were gelling together pretty good. I will welcome that back as long as it doesn't screw up the rest of the lines. Lets hope he returns and becomes the offense and the PP cure. I hope he is, but I still am on record saying that he won't be.

Anyhow, lets not turn this nice win into a Franzen debate! It was nice to see our guys playing together and getting some chemistry going. Still not impressed with E or K. Q looked alright.

I feel like this is to my "give me a healthy franzen post" and can't help but wonder why Im just "the user" lol

[LeftWinger 4,949]

Franzen is not worth his cap....speaking of his cap, with the way Nyquist is playing last year and so far this year, he is going to command a bigger cap hit than Franzen...then what do we do? I think Holland has to pay him. Smith is steadily improving as well and he is an RFA. He will command at least Q money. Things are going to get interesting!