Richdg 267 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 There were 2 undrafted UFA's that I was hoping we would have signed last summer. Trevor Van Reimsdyk and Barcley Goodrow. TVR signed with the B hawks and has played every game for them this year. Goodrow signed with the SJS and has been on their roster all season, playing in 4 games. Both were misses on our part. of course them being UFA's means its a crap shoot. But both would have made us a better team/system. Oh well..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 Maybe I'm missing something because I really have no clue who these guys are or what kind of hockey they play (I never heard of them until just now), but between the two of them they have 1 point total, which doesn't exactly scream to me that they would have improved our team (and I don't know what you mean by system). Who would you take out of our lineup to put these guys in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 But we signed Kevin Porter..............just saying. 1 AtomicPunk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 NOOOOOOOOOOOO not goodrow who we invited to our prospect camp and saw was useless NOOOOOOOOO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 Goodrow is a good sized young front of the net guy that put in 25 or so goals per season in Junior. No he is not a great skater-neither was Homer. But he does do things that no one else on our roster does-stand in front of the net and scores. Does he need a couple years to develop? Yes. He should have been signed and be playing in GR right. Both the RW's and Griffs are struggling to score. He could have helped. TVR is JVR's younger brother. Good sized smooth skater RHed Dman. Was the best NCAA dman prior to getting hurt. But they were UFA's and we can't land everyone.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 If you bring up Goodrow's offensive stats as a good argument for him, then it's really a non-starter. He only got to over 1ppg in his 5th year in the league at the age of 21. Normally, guys at that age, in that league, are dominating.....oh, and they aren't going very far either because if they were, they wouldn't still be in junior. Now, that doesn't mean he won't or can't be an effective NHLer, but I can certainly see why he wasn't drafted and if he were to do well, it would be in spite of how he did in junior. I definitely would not point to his goal scoring in junior as an argument to why he might have some upside. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 I don't think Goodrow was much of a miss. Like number9 pointed out, he was invited to camp and didn't show enough to make the 50 man roster. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Holland did offer him a one-way contract with Grand Rapids but he turned it down. As for Van Riewmsdyk, I would have liked to land him for sure. Oh well, it's not like we're lacking depth on defense right now. I'd love to land Morrison as well, but chances are we won't, and it won't be the end of the world there either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 Plus we do have that 50 man roster limit and all. Wouldn't want either of those guys at the expense of Nosek or Hicketts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 I agree, but to be fair, I would absolutely take Van Riemsdyk over Hicketts. Hicketts is putting up great numbers in the WHL but he is extremely undersized at just 5'8", and he may not be able to put it all together as a pro. Van Riemsdyk is 5 years older, 6" taller and shoots right. I'd take the NHL ready defenseman over the undersized prospect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,520 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 I'd take Van Riemsdyk just for the connection to his brother. Then maybe Detroit will get in on all those "went to City X to play with so and so" trades and free agent signings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 I agree, but to be fair, I would absolutely take Van Riemsdyk over Hicketts. Hicketts is putting up great numbers in the WHL but he is extremely undersized at just 5'8", and he may not be able to put it all together as a pro. Van Riemsdyk is 5 years older, 6" taller and shoots right. I'd take the NHL ready defenseman over the undersized prospect. My issue is the age and the amount of time we have to develop him as a player. We have an over-abundance of defenceman prospects in that age group who are coming close to making the jump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 I get what you're saying but I don't get the issue with having more depth (assets). I think Van Riemsdyk is better or at least on par with any and all of our defensive prospects right now. If we landed Van Riemsdyk (or Morrison.....) then one of our other prospects becomes a trading chip, who could then be used in a package to get a top 6 winger. Never is too much depth a bad thing, unless of course, you don't do anything to make room for these guys and you lose them for nothing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 I get what you're saying but I don't get the issue with having more depth (assets). I think Van Riemsdyk is better or at least on par with any and all of our defensive prospects right now. If we landed Van Riemsdyk (or Morrison.....) then one of our other prospects becomes a trading chip, who could then be used in a package to get a top 6 winger. Never is too much depth a bad thing, unless of course, you don't do anything to make room for these guys and you lose them for nothing... I'm not arguing against depth. We have that in spades and Hicketts helps further diversify our prospect pool. Also, we're already in a position where we're going to have to trade a defence prospect or two (or three) in the next year or so. All five of Marchenko, Backman, Jensen, Ouellet and Sproul will have to pass through waivers following next season. That's already way too many prospects graduating at the same time at the same position. Adding another one (with no higher ceiling) doesn't get us much further ahead. I'm not saying Hicketts is necessarily more promising, but it's something we don't have a lot of. Boom or bust type. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 13, 2014 Well you know just as well as I do that the chances of all 5 of our top defense prospects making it are slim to none. Management have the next two seasons to decide which ones will make it, hopefully before the one's that don't make it, lose too much value. Then it's up to Holland to make a couple trades to offload some of these guys. Either way, I would have loved to have Van Riemsdyk in the system but it's not exactly where this team is lacking talent. 1 Son of a Wing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
