Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Good and especially elite teams are built from the net out, not from the forwards to the backend therefore defender should be the first priority.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

After Weiss I am afraid of bringing in outside talent unless they are young (and can adapt) or they come super cheap in free agency, or they are an unbelievable talent.

If we go and get a Dman in UFA and overpay and they don't fit the system like most outsiders then we will be screwed capwise with two dead contracts when you count Weiss.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

After Weiss I am afraid of bringing in outside talent unless they are young (and can adapt) or they come super cheap in free agency, or they are an unbelievable talent.

If we go and get a Dman in UFA and overpay and they don't fit the system like most outsiders then we will be screwed capwise with two dead contracts when you count Weiss.

Weiss' situation has a lesson in it, but I think it's more that you stay away from players with recent injuries unless they've already come back from them successfully and shown it won't have long term consequences on their game.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

After Weiss I am afraid of bringing in outside talent unless they are young (and can adapt) or they come super cheap in free agency, or they are an unbelievable talent.

If we go and get a Dman in UFA and overpay and they don't fit the system like most outsiders then we will be screwed capwise with two dead contracts when you count Weiss.

Weiss has been out ~ half a season before the Wings signed him so the risk should have already been known by then.

[number9 3,297]

Good and especially elite teams are built from the net out, not from the forwards to the backend therefore defender should be the first priority.

I'd personally prefer a team built from the net out, but that's not what makes a team elite. Pittsburgh and Chicago, both elite, both built to be pretty balanced on all areas of the ice, and many of their games are dictated by the play of their top 6 cores. Not the goalie.

[rick zombo 3,739]

I'd personally prefer a team built from the net out, but that's not what makes a team elite. Pittsburgh and Chicago, both elite, both built to be pretty balanced on all areas of the ice, and many of their games are dictated by the play of their top 6 cores. Not the goalie.

In fairness to Frank, he didn't say we needed a goalie, rather a defenseman. Chicago's D is one of the best in the league and probably makes their forwards look better. Pittsburgh's D has not been as strong and neither has their team when compared to Chicago.

I agree with you though, balance is important. and good teams have it.

I also agree with Frank. Holland has to fix the D first. I think most people agree with this as well.

[kipwinger 8,524]

When is the last time the Wings moved a popular player?

Actually, when was the last time we moved anyone or Holland did anything? (oce again, I'm not trying to offend Kevin Porter).

I agree. I made the exact same points a page ago. Little late to the game on this one.

[number9 3,297]

In fairness to Frank, he didn't say we needed a goalie, rather a defenseman. Chicago's D is one of the best in the league and probably makes their forwards look better. Pittsburgh's D has not been as strong and neither has their team when compared to Chicago.

I agree with you though, balance is important. and good teams have it.

I also agree with Frank. Holland has to fix the D first. I think most people agree with this as well.

My point was that those teams were built around Crosby/Malkin, and Toews/Kane. Not from the net out. Even though both teams have iced good Defenses. The difference between Chi and Pitt is that Chi actually surrounded their two core players with other good players like Sharp, Hossa, and the many good prospects they've had. Pitt has done some real bad drafting, haven't added any elite wingers for their two core players to skate with, and have had to deal with a ton of injuries to Crosby and Letang.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

need a trade. Need to change the attitude on this team.

you guys hate reading it, but Franzen can still bring in a player that can change the offensive attitude of this team. Franzen, Andersson, Quincey can be traded without missing them. Also trade our 1st round pick this year. Obviously nobody wants Kindl, Ferraro or Callahan.

I already know what you are going to say, "we need offense, so lets trade Franzen. That makes no sense." I believe we need an offense change in attitude. Outside of the kids, this team attitude is stale.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

Ericsson can go too. He would not be missed.

[Richdg 267]

LW, none of those guys have much value in a trade. That is part of the issue. To get value you have to give value. For us to pick up some of the pieces we need, we will have to move a kid or two. Which is fine-in the right deal.

[WingsallTheway 383]

Nobody wanted Quincey in free agency...why would they want him now via trade? Plus hes 2M overpaid..

Franzens return value is also very low. He's what, 34 now? Hes signed til hes 42...we don't want the contract why would someone trade assets to take it on. The only way Franzen would have gone was with the buyout

[kliq 3,755]

need a trade. Need to change the attitude on this team.

you guys hate reading it, but Franzen can still bring in a player that can change the offensive attitude of this team. Franzen, Andersson, Quincey can be traded without missing them. Also trade our 1st round pick this year. Obviously nobody wants Kindl, Ferraro or Callahan.

I already know what you are going to say, "we need offense, so lets trade Franzen. That makes no sense." I believe we need an offense change in attitude. Outside of the kids, this team attitude is stale.

What do you really expect to get with that???? This isnt a video game, teams are not going to trade a top 6 winger or a top 2 D-man, for an older top 6 winger who is injury prone, and is under contract forever, an average defensman, and a 4th liner.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Ericsson can go too. He would not be missed.

Honestly, I don't think E will have much to contribute once DD and Smith progress to the finished product. E provides very little in terms of point production and is getting up there in age. I would gladly replace him in a year or two if we have younger options (preferably RHD) that can produce points. Wouldn't mind him as a veteran #6 I guess.

If I was shaping the roster in the 2-3 years I would aim for:

Kronwall - Dekeyser

Smith - UFA/Marchenko/Jensen/Backman

Ouellet - Sproul

[gowings00 545]

I know it's counterintuitive but a good pick moving defensemen is as important if not more than a scoring winger. Go back and look at almost any rush where we've scored a goal (I'll grant you there aren't many) and you will see a good defensive clear followed by a nice tape to tape pass. We had these all the time with Rafi, Chellie, Lids and Stuart but our defensemen are just not built that way. The bottom line is that if we upgrade our defense, we'll spend more time in the opponents zone and create more chances. Increasing chances=increased scoring. Holland just hasn't gotten it done. He's tried but we still have Kindl and Lashoff as we wait for our kids to be ready. I would trade a Jurco another good prospect and a first rounder for a top line puck mover. Babs would too.

Edited November 20, 2014 by gowings00

[Nhurdi 42]

Read an article on my phone in some news app so not sure where the link is for it but it mentioned a trade of Eberle from Edmonton for Mrazek as he is behind our goalies. The basic thinking was they have many skilled forwards, but need a goalie and Eberle is who they would get the most return for.

Could be interesting.

[Guest DeGraa55]

Read an article on my phone in some news app so not sure where the link is for it but it mentioned a trade of Eberle from Edmonton for Mrazek as he is behind our goalies. The basic thinking was they have many skilled forwards, but need a goalie and Eberle is who they would get the most return for.

Could be interesting.

I wouldn't mind that. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see mrazek traded. I do know the wings were high on Patterson as well. So if they still think highly of him mrazek is def expendable.

[luvmnger 125]

wings had their chance with boychuk....bruins were up against the wall capwise and he HAD to go somewhere.

they should have loaded the deck and tried.

no where did i read of even an ATTEMPT of getting him.

what did long island give up?

smooth defence creates offense. heavy, right hander with a boom shot...solid defensively...heart soul guy....i can see why they passed him up.

if a general managers job is to put the best team possible on the ice...whats our doing?

kronwall boychuk

dekeyser oulette

jensen, smith

quincey

kindl-lashoff-nestrasil demoted

ericsson/ ferraro/andersson trade out of town

cleary- retire

pulkkinen/ anthasiou called up

[gcom007 1,465]

Call me optimistic, but I still think it'll be interesting to see how Weiss responds when actually getting a chance. Based on his history, he's plenty capable of becoming an important part of this team's offense moving forward. That was the goal when signing him and it's still possible that he could rise to meet that goal, and perhaps be better if given the right opportunities in time.

And yeah, I get it, it's unlikely, and perhaps a bit crazy to think that at this point, but I think you've got to see how he does as a regular in the lineup before you do anything drastic.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

wings had their chance with boychuk....bruins were up against the wall capwise and he HAD to go somewhere.

they should have loaded the deck and tried.

no where did i read of even an ATTEMPT of getting him.

what did long island give up?

smooth defence creates offense. heavy, right hander with a boom shot...solid defensively...heart soul guy....i can see why they passed him up.

if a general managers job is to put the best team possible on the ice...whats our doing?

kronwall boychuk

dekeyser oulette

jensen, smith

quincey

kindl-lashoff-nestrasil demoted

ericsson/ ferraro/andersson trade out of town

cleary- retire

pulkkinen/ anthasiou called up

I really think there was 0 chance that the Bruins would have traded Boychuk to a division rival.

I think Ericsson is having a rough start due to his finger injury and his inability to train all out in the off season. The amount of hate he's gotten this year is shortsighted in my opinion. Hopefully he'll get back to the way he way the past couple of years.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Call me optimistic, but I still think it'll be interesting to see how Weiss responds when actually getting a chance. Based on his history, he's plenty capable of becoming an important part of this team's offense moving forward. That was the goal when signing him and it's still possible that he could rise to meet that goal, and perhaps be better if given the right opportunities in time.

And yeah, I get it, it's unlikely, and perhaps a bit crazy to think that at this point, but I think you've got to see how he does as a regular in the lineup before you do anything drastic.

No way, man. He played on a line with Helm and Nestrasil. If he didn't produce then, he's not going to ever. He just wants his cheque, man. /end jerk-ish, sarcastic commentary.

Seriously, if he can somehow slot into a top 6 center role, that would be amazing. I'd still love to see something like,

Z-Dats-Abs

Mule-Weiss-Goose

Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco

Miller-Glendening-Helm

I know there would be concerns with getting that 2nd line going, but that's where the 3rd line could kick in at times. Even swapping Tatar for Mule if/when necessary. It just gives the team more options.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Jesusberg

[kipwinger 8,524]

Look how long it's taking Helm to get back into his former playing shape after missing so much time. Khan just did an article on it the other day where he quoted Babs as saying something to the effect of "he's barely played for two seasons, it's going to take him a while to get back into form".

Now apply the EXACT same thing to Weiss. Only make it more complicated because he's learning a new system, has a coach that doesn't think he's "earned anything", and he's often asked to play the wing (which he already stated he hasn't done since he was a child).

Yeah, I'd imagine it will take a little while.

Well, that or he sucks and wants to sit back and collect money. Weiss sucks! Weisps Sux! Werps Sercks! Wasps stung! Durka dur!

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Read an article on my phone in some news app so not sure where the link is for it but it mentioned a trade of Eberle from Edmonton for Mrazek as he is behind our goalies. The basic thinking was they have many skilled forwards, but need a goalie and Eberle is who they would get the most return for.

Could be interesting.

If thats all it takes to get Eberle Holland has to jump at the opportunity.

[SDavis35 140]

I'm not sure we are as desperate for more scoring as some would say. Yes, I will be concerned when our goal scorers now go on slumps, but as of today we are 11th in the league offensively and I don't think we've had a game where we scored more than 5 goals. If the opportunity presents itself, I would be all for a trade, but I don't think it's something we're desperate for. We have a good team, but we're not offensive minded because our D isn't great (on paper at least, we're overachieving in that regard). Getting someone better for our top 6 would likely mean we have to sacrifice an important piece to our team - it may not make us better.

[kipwinger 8,524]

We need a reliable second line center. Until that gets sorted out, nothing else can happen with our top six forwards. Helm isn't good enough, and Zetterberg and Datsyuk can't stay healthy enough to be the top two. The only move I'd make right now for a forward, without knowing the center situation, would be for Drew Stafford. He likely won't cost too much, and he'd be useful no matter how the center situation shakes out. He's Abby with better offense. You can always use a guy like that.