Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

To those recommending we can afford to trade Helm - I just don't think we will get full value for the guy. He is very underrated around the league and most teams would want a substantial add just to get the conversation going for a 2nd pairing Dman. Until they see the guy playing heart and soul bottom 6 minutes in their sweater they will only see 3rd line C for 2nd pairing dman in trade talks.

Also any trade for a Dman has to have Kindl going the other way and right now he has negative value with his contract length. Helm and Kindl as the base for a package doesn't get you anything worth writing home about.

I think the best course of action is to SUCK IT UP and waive Kindl and promote Ouellet. The RH shot will fix itself once a mixture of Pulkkinen, Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko get onto the team in 1-2 years time.

Just thought I would also bring up Franzen. Does the guy have any trade value at all? He is becoming pretty redundant in Detroit right now and could probably be replaced by a combo of Jurco, Pulkkinen in the top 6. Has been fairly silent the last while and is -7 right now while playing with a mixture of Z and Dats. What do we do with this guy?

I think you're seriously underestimating how much pro scouts and GMs know about the league.

I don't see Kindl as having negative value as long as he can put up some points either. $2.4 mil isnt much of a cap hit.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

I still think our biggest need is help on the back end. What does everyone think of trading for Erik Johnson? To me, he is the exact type of player this team could use on their back end. I'd be willing to give up quite a bit for him, I'm just not sure what would get a deal done. Kindl would have to go the other way, and I think he would do well in Colorado's system. I would include Ouellet or Marchenko in the deal, as well as Pulkkinen (as much as I love the kid). I'd also be willing to part with our 1st or 2nd round pick. I'm not sure if that package would get it done but I would love to have Johnson on this team. He is a huge body at 6'4", 236 lbs, shoots right, hits and blocks shots, and is only 26 years old. He's also under contract for another season after this one, at a reasonable $3.75M.

Colorado needs Johnson even more than we do. They are hurting for talent on D and have loads of offensive talent.

[e_prime 1,936]

If we're talking about trades with Colorado... I wanna talk O'Reilly.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

If we're talking about trades with Colorado... I wanna talk O'Reilly.

Me too but they will be wanting something valuable on the D side that we just don't have. ROR is too proven to be returning picks and prospects and what we have on D we can't afford to trade. The Coyotes would be perfect trade partners for Colorado.

[number9 3,297]

Me too but they will be wanting something valuable on the D side that we just don't have. ROR is too proven to be returning picks and prospects and what we have on D we can't afford to trade. The Coyotes would be perfect trade partners for Colorado.

I just think more forwards is the last thing we need

[dirtydangles 1,328]

I just think more forwards is the last thing we need

Well ROR would be sweet to have when Z and Dats are gone. The guy is a stud. We would be moving a pretty substantial piece at FWD in addition to something on D in any deal for him but that won't be happening.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

Cannot figure out how to post the Twitter link, but Chicago Sun Times has reported that Jeremy Morin wants out of the Hawks organization. "Play me or trade me..." The article says he is a "skilled offensive player with a physical edge..." He is right handed as well. Does anyone know much about him? Is he someone maybe we could entertain a trade of maybe Andersson and a draft pick? Add Ferraro to the mix? I don't know too much about him, but when I see skilled offense PLUS physical edge, I have to admit, I do get a smidge intrigued...

[Guest DeGraa55]

Cannot figure out how to post the Twitter link, but Chicago Sun Times has reported that Jeremy Morin wants out of the Hawks organization. "Play me or trade me..." The article says he is a "skilled offensive player with a physical edge..." He is right handed as well. Does anyone know much about him? Is he someone maybe we could entertain a trade of maybe Andersson and a draft pick? Add Ferraro to the mix? I don't know too much about him, but when I see skilled offense PLUS physical edge, I have to admit, I do get a smidge intrigued...

If be interested as well.

BUT skilled offensive means value. Does value = farraro? No. Anderson? Very little so no.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

If be interested as well.

BUT skilled offensive means value. Does value = farraro? No. Anderson? Very little so no.

I understand, but the value may be the draft pick. They already don't have room on thier roster for him, so they may be willing to exchange for a player or two that doesn't mind playing 13th, 14th forward. This guy wants to be played or traded. although he would probably be in a very similar situation here. Maybe he'd crack the 12th spot until Abby comes back...oh well.

[Echolalia 2,961]

If Morin can't break the Blackhawks lineup, I don't think he'd fare much better in Detroit.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Rather promote Pulks than take on Morin and make things more clogged up. If he was a 1st line scorer then okay but not a borderliner on the hawks.

[gcom007 1,465]

It's funny that this thread is still a thing.

[nawein 324]

It's funny that this thread is still a thing.

Always room for improvement.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

It's funny that this thread is still a thing.

probably because there's no need to start a new thread about every player who may or may not help this team become even better.

they're doing great now, but just imagine if they rid themselves of the dead weight like Franzen and Kindl and replaced them with a top shelf scorer and a top blueliner. We know that won't happen nor could they afford to give up the assets for them, but maybe get that defenseman to replace Kindl and get another 12th/13th guy to replace Franzen and promote within.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I just think more forwards is the last thing we need

Not to mention his 6 million cap hit ... Don't need any drama in the dressing room

Always room for improvement.

Veteran dman and we'd be set ... And maybe a physical forward type for the playoffs but no need for anything now , we're doing amazing ... Just adding ouellet in the lineup fulltime would make me happy

[rick zombo 3,739]

I’m not even sure who Holland would even target at this point.

[Guest DeGraa55]

Im not even sure who Holland would even target at this point.

Quincey for a first rounder....o wait nevermind.

[gcom007 1,465]

Why bother right now? We're tied for 2nd in the league. The team for the most part looks great. Sure, it may be reasonable to say we're operating on a best case scenario trajectory, but right now, it's working. If it keeps up, we'll be a destination at the deadline and the fact that we don't really need to make any major moves will give us a bit of leverage. Maybe then we find a halfway-decent 3/4 defenseman to tighten up the pairings. That's about all we really need at this point. Sure, some of the kids could dry up, it wouldn't be the first time, but we've got more of them who could come up and perhaps play well.

But all in all, I just don't think offense is or is going to be our problem, and I think we should wait and see what opportunities arise closer to the deadline now that we might actually make it on to a few guy's lists. Otherwise, there's just no compelling reason to shake things up right now.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I miss having a rival.

I kind of miss Chicago.

I know this has no relevance to the thread.

But I.

I miss it.

[kliq 3,755]

probably because there's no need to start a new thread about every player who may or may not help this team become even better.

they're doing great now, but just imagine if they rid themselves of the dead weight like Franzen and Kindl and replaced them with a top shelf scorer and a top blueliner. We know that won't happen nor could they afford to give up the assets for them, but maybe get that defenseman to replace Kindl and get another 12th/13th guy to replace Franzen and promote within.

17 points in 21 games is dead weight???

Franzen has his issues, and he is definitely streaky, but to call him "dead weight" is a tad extreme.

[captain2005 32]

Yeah, I was going to say. He does all right. Especially for the money he is making. I get that it is frustrating when we are in need of offence, and he won't deliver. But when that is happening, generally no one is delivering. Why is he so quick to get dumped on. But I honestly believe he is trying, and he is getting matched up generally against other teams top lines. I personally like having him with us. He is tough, kind of dirty, and a bit of a bully. Rather him with us than against us. I still love watching him steal Kane's mouth guard.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

It's funny that this thread is still a thing.

It's used as a not-so-thinly veiled attempt to bash certain players on this team.

The reality is, there isn't much to complain about with this team right now - tons of positives. The forward depth is fantastic, the defense has gelled well and goaltending has been solid. Special teams are clicking better than I can recall in recent memory.

I think the one place the team could use a shot to the arm is on that 2nd PP. The PP has been clicking well, no doubt about it. I just think it would be nice to get a more stable presence on the blueline of that second unit. Flopping back and forth between DD and Kindl wears a bit thin. First choice is a righty with some experience, and without term on his deal - Green, Franson, Zidlicky. They're all rentals, so I wouldn't want to ship much out for them. That's not realistic for those first two names, though.

Honestly, I would "settle" for the team finding a new home for Kindl, just so they can bring XO up here. Even though I think he's shown moment of solid offensive instinct, it's just clear that Jakub doesn't fit on the team, and I think that 2nd PP could use a more consistent presence at the point.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Jesusberg

[LeftWinger 4,961]

17 points in 21 games is dead weight???

Franzen has his issues, and he is definitely streaky, but to call him "dead weight" is a tad extreme.

Ok, wrong term, but of all our forwards he is the one we would miss the least. You cannot have his salary cap sitting in the press box, so I am not including Cleary or Andersson in that statement, both of whom we'd miss even less than Franzen. I guess my point was, if we were to move somoene from our everyday playing lineup, Franzen would be the least missed right now because everyone else from top to bottom are much more important to this team. He most definitely is not hurting this team (too much, except for his lazy icing's and lob in's at the goalie and gliding around out there most the game) but if Jurco or Tatar or Nyquist were promoted permanently to his ice minutes, the team would still be excelling and perhaps doing a bit better. Kindl is a no brainer.

IF we did have one need, it is for sure a top minute defenseman, and like it or not I can see Holland going hard after Mike Green. Just as long as Mantha or Larkin remain, like Holland described in the news, "untouchable." In 3-4 years, when Dats retires and Z is nearing the end, Larkin and Mantha are going be the next Dyanamic Duo in this town. A natural center/leader/tenacious checker and a natural born sniper. They may surpass the likes of Pav and Z in points. I am predicting a huge amount for these kids I know, but they are that good and I won't be surprised if both of them have permanent spots on this team before they run out of exemptions.

[Red Crazy 201]

17 points in 21 games is dead weight???

Franzen has his issues, and he is definitely streaky, but to call him "dead weight" is a tad extreme.

But maybe this is the time to move him for a player that contributes every game or a top 4 d man? The best way of getting value for a player is when they are playing well.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

sidenote: How the hell is it that Minnesota landed the Olsen twins and then Vanek and Pominville and STILL have more capspace than us and 23 other teams? Sheesh! I know they have more ELC's on their roster, but it just doesn't seem fair...