Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[LeftWinger 4,953]

We've have so many prospects now, we could even dangle a 1st round draft pick out there as some bait. Would Helm, Backman and a 1st get you Yandle? Bogosian? Myers? Green? Wisniewski? Overpayment?

[kipwinger 8,522]

Well lets not go throwing away pieces just because we've got them. We have enough pieces to make a meaningful trade, but I would NEVER trade Helm, 1st, and Backman for Bogosian or Myers. First of all, neither of them are that good. Secondly, neither really fits our new powerplay that well. Myers is too slow to run that single point system (you need to be a good skater when you're the only guy up there), and Bogosian doens't have a great shot (he's not too different than Dekeyser in that regard).

I'm all for upgrading. But not stupidly. Holland's got this.

[marcaractac 3,963]

Yandle will become a Wing when he's 37. Just be patient you ingrates.........

Maybe he'll know how to play defense by then

[kipwinger 8,522]

Maybe he'll know how to play defense by then

He's perfectly fine defensively. He's no worse than any other puck moving d-man. It's just a tag he got stuck with because he broke into the league when he was like 20, and wasn't great. Since then he's played 20+ minutes a night, on a defense first team, with a defense first coach.

It's just like how Franzen can have an almost identical ppg average year to year and be inconsistent, or how "Osgood lets in the occasional floater" 15 years after he let in the occasional floater. It's just something people say because that's what other people say, and they said it because somebody else once said it too.

If Yandle played here every single person on this forum would absolutely cream themselves. He's REALLY good.

[marcaractac 3,963]

He's perfectly fine defensively. He's no worse than any other puck moving d-man. It's just a tag he got stuck with because he broke into the league when he was like 20, and wasn't great. Since then he's played 20+ minutes a night, on a defense first team, with a defense first coach.

It's just like how Franzen can have an almost identical ppg average year to year and be inconsistent, or how "Osgood lets in the occasional floater" 15 years after he let in the occasional floater. It's just something people say because that's what other people say, and they said it because somebody else once said it too.

If Yandle played here every single person on this forum would absolutely cream themselves. He's REALLY good.

I know he is really good. I was kidding lol.

[kipwinger 8,522]

I know he is really good. I was kidding lol.

Aha. There I go taking life too seriously again.

[joesuffP 1,746]

We still need a top 4 dman which is really hard to acquire. Probably a better idea to give Dekeseyer and Smith another year to Grow. Picking up Green/Myers in the meantime would be a huge help

[number9 3,297]

Aha. There I go taking life too seriously again.

Always remember that fandom is just one giant absurd joke.

[greenrebellion 415]

Well lets not go throwing away pieces just because we've got them. We have enough pieces to make a meaningful trade, but I would NEVER trade Helm, 1st, and Backman for Bogosian or Myers. First of all, neither of them are that good. Secondly, neither really fits our new powerplay that well. Myers is too slow to run that single point system (you need to be a good skater when you're the only guy up there), and Bogosian doens't have a great shot (he's not too different than Dekeyser in that regard).

I'm all for upgrading. But not stupidly. Holland's got this.

The main reason Babs moved to a single point system was due to roster limitations (lack of good offensive defensemen and lack of RH shots)....so if this were solved, say by acquiring Myers I imagine the PP could easily be tweaked to accomodate.

Edited December 8, 2014 by greenrebellion

[DickieDunn 2,571]

17 points in 21 games is dead weight???

Franzen has his issues, and he is definitely streaky, but to call him "dead weight" is a tad extreme.

But maybe this is the time to move him for a player that contributes every game or a top 4 d man? The best way of getting value for a player is when they are playing well.

Unless a player is a 100 point guy, he doesn't score every game anyway. He averages a goal every 3 games. If he gets hot and scores 5 in 3 games, that's 12 games he won't score. He doesore than score anyway.

[kliq 3,755]

Ok, wrong term, but of all our forwards he is the one we would miss the least. You cannot have his salary cap sitting in the press box, so I am not including Cleary or Andersson in that statement, both of whom we'd miss even less than Franzen. I guess my point was, if we were to move somoene from our everyday playing lineup, Franzen would be the least missed right now because everyone else from top to bottom are much more important to this team. He most definitely is not hurting this team (too much, except for his lazy icing's and lob in's at the goalie and gliding around out there most the game) but if Jurco or Tatar or Nyquist were promoted permanently to his ice minutes, the team would still be excelling and perhaps doing a bit better. Kindl is a no brainer.

IF we did have one need, it is for sure a top minute defenseman, and like it or not I can see Holland going hard after Mike Green. Just as long as Mantha or Larkin remain, like Holland described in the news, "untouchable." In 3-4 years, when Dats retires and Z is nearing the end, Larkin and Mantha are going be the next Dyanamic Duo in this town. A natural center/leader/tenacious checker and a natural born sniper. They may surpass the likes of Pav and Z in points. I am predicting a huge amount for these kids I know, but they are that good and I won't be surprised if both of them have permanent spots on this team before they run out of exemptions.

Franzen is a good player, and I like having him on the Wings, but no doubt the guy has his issues. With age, he is only more likely to get hurt more and more. If the right trade came around for the right player, I would have no problem moving him.

But maybe this is the time to move him for a player that contributes every game or a top 4 d man? The best way of getting value for a player is when they are playing well.

Trading him during one of his peaks would be a smart move if you plan on trading him.

We've have so many prospects now, we could even dangle a 1st round draft pick out there as some bait. Would Helm, Backman and a 1st get you Yandle? Bogosian? Myers? Green? Wisniewski? Overpayment?

Depends on who is coming back the other way. Green for example is a UFA at the end of the year. I wouldnt want to trade Helm, Backman and a 1st for a rental player who is injury prone. Yandle I would take, dont know much about Bogosian, and Wisniewski I am up in the air about. I would need to research him a bit more.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I just don't see the wiz coming here.

[e_prime 1,936]

I think Bogo could be better in a different system and a different team, but I think the price to take a chance on that guy is going to be too high.

Same thing for Meyers. I'm sure that Buffalo has realized that they're never going to get Mantha + Nyquist for Meyers, but it doesn't mean that they're not still asking that type of price.

Mike Green, who started off the year as a big question mark, has stayed healthy and kept himself relevant on a team that "upgraded" their defense with the Orpik and Niskanen signings. He's not going to come cheap, won't get traded until the deadline and only if Washington is on the outside looking in or needing an offensive piece to help them.

If you're looking to dump someone off for some draft picks, 4th line role players, or middling prospects -- you're all good, but...

Hockey trades for legit players or those that are poised to break-out or have the potential to do so are hard to make.

Let's not kid ourselves.

Yandle... *droool* If I were that guy I'd be clamoring to get out. Maybe not out of ARI where it's beautiful and sunny all of the time, but as a hockey player, I'd welcome a trade out of the desert. No offense to that team, their awesome coach, etc. but they're going nowhere near the playoffs this year.

Also, Wiz ain't coming to Detroit. Ever. Well... at least, not while Ken Holland is GM. (Maybe when he's 37 and can play defense. )

Edited December 9, 2014 by e_prime

[joesuffP 1,746]

I wouldn't count out Wiz just because of his comments. I doubt he would pass up an opportunity to come to a great organization that has a chance to win just because Holland low balled him 4 years ago. Right now I'd like Green just because he's proven and him being a UFA at the end of the year his price tag comes way down. Meyers could potentially not even make our lineup and he has a huge contract. I think we're going to have to wait for the deadline

[kliq 3,755]

I think Bogo could be better in a different system and a different team, but I think the price to take a chance on that guy is going to be too high.

Same thing for Meyers. I'm sure that Buffalo has realized that they're never going to get Mantha + Nyquist for Meyers, but it doesn't mean that they're not still asking that type of price.

Mike Green, who started off the year as a big question mark, has stayed healthy and kept himself relevant on a team that "upgraded" their defense with the Orpik and Niskanen signings. He's not going to come cheap, won't get traded until the deadline and only if Washington is on the outside looking in or needing an offensive piece to help them.

If you're looking to dump someone off for some draft picks, 4th line role players, or middling prospects -- you're all good, but...

Hockey trades for legit players or those that are poised to break-out or have the potential to do so are hard to make.

Let's not kid ourselves.

Yandle... *droool* If I were that guy I'd be clamoring to get out. Maybe not out of ARI where it's beautiful and sunny all of the time, but as a hockey player, I'd welcome a trade out of the desert. No offense to that team, their awesome coach, etc. but they're going nowhere near the playoffs this year.

Also, Wiz ain't coming to Detroit. Ever. Well... at least, not while Ken Holland is GM. (Maybe when he's 37 and can play defense. )

Mike Green is not healthy, he has been on IR since November 22nd.

[e_prime 1,936]

Mike Green is not healthy, he has been on IR since November 22nd.

Well, tells you how much I've been paying attention to the Caps... He did start off the year playing great.

EDIT: Looks like he'll be back tonight

Capitals defenseman Mike Green is expected to return to the lineup on Tuesday according to the Washington Post. | 12/06/2014 1:40 PM

News

Capitals defenseman Mike Green is expected to return to the lineup on Tuesday according to the Washington Post.

sportsnetwork.com

Impact

Green suffered an upper body injury against the Sabres on Nov. 22, and the Capitals placed him on injured reserve. Green might not resume his duties on the team's top power-play line right away because John Carlson has played very well on that unit.

Edited December 9, 2014 by e_prime

[NAVYWING 2]

I like the way the Wing's offense is working right now. I can see trading for a top 4 right-shooting defenseman, or a really big and tough stay at home type. I mention the latter because even Kindl could be a good offensive d-man if he had a strong defensive-minded partner. Smith and Kindl both have offensive upside. The line that's baffling me is Z's line. They have been kept off the score sheet for a bit. Now, I also believe that Z's line gets the opposition's best line, thus freeing up the talent we have on the other lines. Our other 3 lines are taking advantage of it, too. The last time I saw Detroit seriously roll 4 solid lines was in 2002. I am trying to keep my excitement for this team in check, due to their inexperience however, other teams have yet to fully isolate all 4 lines. As far as trade bait... for a right-shooting d-man, I'd trade Pulks and Kindl and a pick or so. For a stay at home tough-guy, I'd trade Pulks and a pick. Outside of that... I would keep this team the way it is.

[kipwinger 8,522]

"I know some (people) were saying that we don't have a shot for a playoff (spot), but I'm surprised you can say it with the big names in this locker room," Tatar said. "If we stay healthy we might actually have a shot at the (Stanley) Cup."

How do you not like this guy?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

I wouldn't count out Wiz just because of his comments. I doubt he would pass up an opportunity to come to a great organization that has a chance to win just because Holland low balled him 4 years ago. Right now I'd like Green just because he's proven and him being a UFA at the end of the year his price tag comes way down. Meyers could potentially not even make our lineup and he has a huge contract. I think we're going to have to wait for the deadline

Only Wiz I want is Cheese. Dude just seems like a jackass.

[joesuffP 1,746]

It's crazy how unlucky we've been getting that elusive top 4. Wiz, Suter, Niskanen and Boyle... all those guys would have made this team so much better but we managed to save a lot of money. If we can find good balance and depth on defense I think in the next 2 years we'll have a contending unit without having a marquee number 1.

Edited December 9, 2014 by joesuffP

[joesuffP 1,746]

TSN says Yandle is being actively shopped and trade talks have picked up, seeking a top 6 forward. I would pay the price and make a good hockey deal and that's what I think it's going to take

Nyquist+Kindl for Yandle

There's going to be a log jam of talent that aren't fourth liners, but deserve to be in the lineup. As of right now when healthy we have to choose to put Helm/Abdelkader/Jurco/Franzen/Weiss on the fourth line just because of our depth and it's just going to get worse the next few years

Edited December 9, 2014 by joesuffP

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

I like the way the Wing's offense is working right now. I can see trading for a top 4 right-shooting defenseman, or a really big and tough stay at home type. I mention the latter because even Kindl could be a good offensive d-man if he had a strong defensive-minded partner. Smith and Kindl both have offensive upside. The line that's baffling me is Z's line. They have been kept off the score sheet for a bit. Now, I also believe that Z's line gets the opposition's best line, thus freeing up the talent we have on the other lines. Our other 3 lines are taking advantage of it, too. The last time I saw Detroit seriously roll 4 solid lines was in 2002. I am trying to keep my excitement for this team in check, due to their inexperience however, other teams have yet to fully isolate all 4 lines. As far as trade bait... for a right-shooting d-man, I'd trade Pulks and Kindl and a pick or so. For a stay at home tough-guy, I'd trade Pulks and a pick. Outside of that... I would keep this team the way it is.

Any trade for a defensman we make has to see one a defenseman go the other way. Otherwise, Kindl's forced out of the lineup and we'll have to buy him out. Unless we find a separate trade to get rid of Kindl, of course.

I don't think we need a shutdown guy. Dekeyser, Kronwall and Quincey have been solid in shutdown capacities. Ouelett also looked solid in that regard. Ericsson has been in the past seasons so I think he'll return to form.

I think It's still RH D. I know that they've all been mentioned before, but I think these 2 are the most realistic options:

Jeff Petry (UFA, Oilers need to make changes)

Mike Green (UFA, injury issues, Wash has a s***eload spent on D and need a shakeup)

The problem, to me, is that the Oilers don't necessarily need scoring wing (Pulks). I think they'd be after our D prospects instead. Which is fine with me, not all would fit in our future. But who would go? Not sure whether Wash needs pulkinen or D.

Edited December 10, 2014 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[gcom007 1,465]

"I know some (people) were saying that we don't have a shot for a playoff (spot), but I'm surprised you can say it with the big names in this locker room," Tatar said. "If we stay healthy we might actually have a shot at the (Stanley) Cup."

How do you not like this guy?

******* love it. That's the kind of confidence we need. Here's to hoping a full year up for some of these guys and a 2nd year for others will help them become more ready for the playoffs, but they've got to be feeling great about their chances right now. More often than not thus far, they've gone out every night and given themselves a chance to win against any team and done so. This is not the sputtering Red Wings of the last few years. This team has swagger, and this team is learning how to finish. This is why I like our chances and why I don't want to rock the boat with trades.

[nawein 324]

TSN says Yandle is being actively shopped and trade talks have picked up, seeking a top 6 forward. I would pay the price and make a good hockey deal and that's what I think it's going to take

Nyquist+Kindl for Yandle

There's going to be a log jam of talent that aren't fourth liners, but deserve to be in the lineup. As of right now when healthy we have to choose to put Helm/Abdelkader/Jurco/Franzen/Weiss on the fourth line just because of our depth and it's just going to get worse the next few years

Has Abdelkader done enough this year to "prove" he can be a top 6 forward? As much as I like him and what he brings as far as grit and going to the dirty areas and as much as hes improved this year, he could still definitely be a spare part. Abby, Pulks, Kindl, probably wouldn't be enough to get the deal done but who knows. AHL scoring leader, a 27 year old borderline top 6 guy who's solid defensively and has been playing in the top 6 for a better offensive team than Arizona, and a young defenseman that could just need a change of scenery. Throw in a second or one of Marchenko/Jensen/Backman and it could work. Arizona gets a jump on their rebuild with a couple solid NHL ready prospects and 2 bonafide NHLers. We get one of the best offensive dmen in the game. I know it's not enough, but I don't want to give up Nyquist yet and I think we have the pieces to not have to. Sure it will probably be more than I listed here, but hopefully not much.

[trule23 119]

i like yandle and think hed be good for the team but i wouldnt give nyquist up