Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[Ally 448]

How is this thread still active? Aren't the Wings sitting at 4th or 5th in the league for goals right now?

Funny how the earlier pages mention Tatar, Weiss, Franzen etc as being guys who aren't doing anything lol

[Guest DeGraa55]

How is this thread still active? Aren't the Wings sitting at 4th or 5th in the league for goals right now?

Funny how the earlier pages mention Tatar, Weiss, Franzen etc as being guys who aren't doing anything lol

Well when this was created wasn't Weiss still injured? Wasn't Tatar still starting the season slow? You can't say those people were wrong at the time.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Has Abdelkader done enough this year to "prove" he can be a top 6 forward? As much as I like him and what he brings as far as grit and going to the dirty areas and as much as hes improved this year, he could still definitely be a spare part. Abby, Pulks, Kindl, probably wouldn't be enough to get the deal done but who knows. AHL scoring leader, a 27 year old borderline top 6 guy who's solid defensively and has been playing in the top 6 for a better offensive team than Arizona, and a young defenseman that could just need a change of scenery. Throw in a second or one of Marchenko/Jensen/Backman and it could work. Arizona gets a jump on their rebuild with a couple solid NHL ready prospects and 2 bonafide NHLers. We get one of the best offensive dmen in the game. I know it's not enough, but I don't want to give up Nyquist yet and I think we have the pieces to not have to. Sure it will probably be more than I listed here, but hopefully not much.

I don't think Arizona is looking to rebuild. Sounds like it's a retool situation. Trade an effective top 4 for an effective top 6. I would offer Mule. Nobody is going to question him being a top 6 and he's got size. Something that the western conference thinks is the only thing that matters in a player. Kindl can be tacked on to the deal easily and would make a lot of sense as a partial replacement. If Yandle was right handed I would say do whatever it takes to get him but I think it could pay off big time to try and get Green for a really good deal.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

How is this thread still active? Aren't the Wings sitting at 4th or 5th in the league for goals right now?

Funny how the earlier pages mention Tatar, Weiss, Franzen etc as being guys who aren't doing anything lol

TANK IT!

[joesuffP 1,746]

We should make a 'trade speculation thread' where we can discuss rumours and targets. I know there's a rumours section but nobody ever goes there and the majority of the threads get derailed into discussing trade scenarios anyways

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

We should make a 'trade speculation thread' where we can discuss rumours and targets. I know there's a rumours section but nobody ever goes there and the majority of the threads get derailed into discussing trade scenarios anyways

I thought thats what this was?

[joesuffP 1,746]

I thought thats what this was?

Thread title is too specific

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

@NHLTradeRumors: The Red Wings are offering Tomas Jurco, Riley Sheahan and a first round pick in return for Coyotes Keith Yandle

http://t.co/IZSxacAFv8

[canadian wings fan 305]

@NHLTradeRumors: The Red Wings are offering Tomas Jurco, Riley Sheahan and a first round pick in return for Coyotes Keith Yandle

http://t.co/IZSxacAFv8

**** that!!!! Please tell me thats false!?

[joesuffP 1,746]

Wow. I'd almost rather trade 1 of Tatar/Nyquist then both Jurco and Sheahan. Man that would suck. Holland would have to go out and get a forward too

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

**** that!!!! Please tell me thats false!?

That's...not a reputable source, to say the least.

Edit: hence my now I'll feel like an ass (and be pissed) if it actually happens lol

Edited December 13, 2014 by BottleOfSmoke

[HelmFan 84]

@NHLTradeRumors: The Red Wings are offering Tomas Jurco, Riley Sheahan and a first round pick in return for Coyotes Keith Yandle

http://t.co/IZSxacAFv8

Jurco, Sheahan and a first should get us Yandle and Hanzal.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Well you gotta look at it like Jurco and Sheahan are still unknowns. Sure, they're playing great but will that translate to them having 50-60 point seasons in their prime. Tatar and Nyquist are on pace to have back to back 20+ goal season while playing primarily in the top 6 against top 6 opposition and that's what I think what it comes down to. Choosing to trade 1 of Tatar or Nyqvist or keeping them both but trading both Sheahan and Jurco. I think our depth was nice but not sustainable in the future when everyone will need significant raises. Tough choice for sure

[nawein 324]

@NHLTradeRumors: The Red Wings are offering Tomas Jurco, Riley Sheahan and a first round pick in return for Coyotes Keith Yandle

http://t.co/IZSxacAFv8

coming from a twitter account with 1000 followers and no author or sources behind the "article." This makes me laugh. Kenny wouldn't, at least I don't think he would. Besides, any trade bringing a dman in needs a dman going out. I would love to get Yandle though.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Please no.

[Guest DeGraa55]

God I hope not.

I tend to think Babcock wouldn't support this. He seems really high on Sheahan and jurco. Just with how he uses them.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Ohhhh please no way in hell we do that , I know we Might need veteran d help but why would we give up 2 big pieces and a 1st?? What's the point of having all these griffins kids and not play them? Rather give jensen a few games and marchenko before don't such a trade

At that price I'd much rather have Oliver ekman larsson

[joesuffP 1,746]

Yandle is a premier defensemen and much better then Kronwall. We'd be adding a defensemen you can build an offense around

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Yandle is a premier defensemen and much better then Kronwall. We'd be adding a defensemen you can build an offense around

Yandle is not better than Kronwall. He puts up a few more points but Kronwall's defense is better by quite a bit.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Yandle is not better than Kronwall. He puts up a few more points but Kronwall's defense is better by quite a bit.

Kronwall is inconsistent and when our best puck mover is not playing well we get skated into the ground like the last couple games. Cutting down on turnovers and moving the puck out of our zone quickly makes us a much better defensive team

Yandle is not better than Kronwall. He puts up a few more points but Kronwall's defense is better by quite a bit.

Kronwall is inconsistent and when our best puck mover is not playing well we get skated into the ground like the last couple games. Cutting down on turnovers and moving the puck out of our zone quickly makes us a much better defensive team. Our weakness has been turnovers against hard forechecking teams. Yandle cuts that down drastically and imagine being able to counter attack a hard forecheck. Something we never do. We haven't scored an even strength goal in 3 games

[wings_fanatic 677]

Kronwall is inconsistent and when our best puck mover is not playing well we get skated into the ground like the last couple games. Cutting down on turnovers and moving the puck out of our zone quickly makes us a much better defensive team

Kronwall is inconsistent and when our best puck mover is not playing well we get skated into the ground like the last couple games. Cutting down on turnovers and moving the puck out of our zone quickly makes us a much better defensive team. Our weakness has been turnovers against hard forechecking teams. Yandle cuts that down drastically and imagine being able to counter attack a hard forecheck. Something we never do. We haven't scored an even strength goal in 3 games

Kronwall is VERY underrated by some of Red Wings fans. He is not Nick Lidstrom, but he is still a good, reliable number 1 and, more than that, is a good leader for this team. I would take Kronners over Yandle any day of the week. The wings will never make that trade proposed and would only tradde the likes of those guys if they were getting Shea Weber. So don't worry about that. If anything, I think a trade for Mike Green would be best for us. We would not give up nearly as much and would be adding a solid offensive dman to our team and who is right handed shot. That could go a long way to determine the extent of our playoff success.

[kipwinger 8,492]

Rumor has it that Yandle and Boedker can be had. The asking price for Yandle is rumored to be a top line guy, prospect, and second round pick. We've got a top line forward on our third line. No rumored asking price on Boedker. So...

Franzen, Helm, Kindl (or Andersson), Pulkkinen, 2nd

for

Yandle and Boedker

Which would give us

Nyquist-Z-Abby

Tatar-Pav-Boedker

Jurco-Sheahan-Weiss

Miller-Glendening-Andersson (or Callahan if Andersson went the other way)

Thoughts?

[number9 3,297]

Rumor has it that Yandle and Boedker can be had. The asking price for Yandle is rumored to be a top line guy, prospect, and second round pick. We've got a top line forward on our third line. No rumored asking price on Boedker. So...

Franzen, Helm, Kindl (or Andersson), Pulkkinen, 2nd

for

Yandle and Boedker

Which would give us

Nyquist-Z-Abby

Tatar-Pav-Boedker

Jurco-Sheahan-Weiss

Miller-Glendening-Andersson (or Callahan if Andersson went the other way)

Thoughts?

Yandle and Boedker are super overrated. Yandle is Rafalski without the benefit of the RH shot, and Rafalski was not exactly always loved around here. And Boedker is suddenly being super overrated around the league just cause he's available and fans wanna see moves made IMO. He's not at all good defensively, like a bigger Hudler.

I think the deal makes us better in the O-zone but hurts us slightly in the D-zone, even with the addition of Yandle. We don't gain much physicality in the deal either. It's like trading softies for softies, but we give up a bit of our future too. I say no.

[kipwinger 8,492]

Yandle and Boedker are super overrated. Yandle is Rafalski without the benefit of the RH shot, and Rafalski was not exactly always loved around here. And Boedker is suddenly being super overrated around the league just cause he's available and fans wanna see moves made IMO. He's not at all good defensively, like a bigger Hudler.

I think the deal makes us better in the O-zone but hurts us slightly in the D-zone, even with the addition of Yandle. We don't gain much physicality in the deal either. It's like trading softies for softies, but we give up a bit of our future too. I say no.

A couple of points I'd make in response. Despite the fact that Rafalski wasn't exactly loved around here, anybody who still doesn't see how valuable he was to the team is nuts. Yandle would be too. Secondly, Boedker is noted for his two way play, I'm not sure where you're getting that from? AND he's capable of putting up points. Finally, I think we get (marginally) more physical in the sense that A) Yandle is more fiesty than any of our d-men and fights (rarely, but on occasion), B) Boedker is physical in the same way that Helm is, plus he's quite a bit bigger and heavier, C) trading Andersson would get Callahan in the lineup, and he's more physical than anybody on our team.

And really, what are we losing? Helm? Franzen? Neither of them are particularly strong this season, and I'd be happy to move them plus picks and prospects for two 50 pts. players in their twenties (not exactly mortgaging the future by trading a 22 year old Pulkkinen for a 24 year old Boedkker).

[number9 3,297]

A couple of points I'd make in response. Despite the fact that Rafalski wasn't exactly loved around here, anybody who still doesn't see how valuable he was to the team is nuts. Yandle would be too. Secondly, Boedker is noted for his two way play, I'm not sure where you're getting that from? AND he's capable of putting up points. Finally, I think we get (marginally) more physical in the sense that A) Yandle is more fiesty than any of our d-men and fights (rarely, but on occasion), B) Boedker is physical in the same way that Helm is, plus he's quite a bit bigger and heavier, C) trading Andersson would get Callahan in the lineup, and he's more physical than anybody on our team.

And really, what are we losing? Helm? Franzen? Neither of them are particularly strong this season, and I'd be happy to move them plus picks and prospects for two 50 pts. players in their twenties (not exactly mortgaging the future by trading a 22 year old Pulkkinen for a 24 year old Boedkker).

Helm and Franzen are Wings lifers FACE IT