Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[derblaueClaus 1,668]

Something tells me that if that's all it would take it would be done.

We gave the preds a 2nd round pick and an undersized center, and a good fourth liner for David legwand.

Unless they're really going to try to get myers or yandle.

This one seems like a no brainer though.

If it is in fact all it would take to get Him.

Not necessarily. We need capspace first before we can even dream about Green.

But I agree, it seems highly unlikely that the Caps give us Green for just a 2nd-rounder.

Edited December 15, 2014 by derblaueClaus

[e_prime 1,936]

Any trade that invloved moving Franzen would make me smile.

A smile like this?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Saw this blog that suggests we could possibly get Green for a 2nd round pick. Do you think that's realistic? Cause I think we should do that deal if it is. He's a rental at this point, but I could see him resigning. No lost roster players. We could then flip Kindl for a lower pick.

http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2014/12/12/nhl-rumors-ii-bruins-sabres-wings-leafs-oilers-and-blues/

Washington doesn't need to trade Green, and unless they drop out of the playoffs by the trade deadline I think they're going to keep him unless they're bringing in guys who can help them this year and down the road.

[Guest DeGraa55]

Not necessarily. We need capspace first before we can even dream about Green.

But I agree, it seems highly unlikely that the Caps give us Green for just a 2nd-rounder.

Well we got 3.1m now so only need to clear 2.9m. That's for example: a trade involving helm(maybe included in deal for green) then cut kindl since clearly no one wants him(unless holland is overpricing him).

[wings87 1,290]

True. Ugh.

What do you have against Helm? He's got moxie, and... and... Just give me a second I'm sure I can come up with something else.

[FireCaptain 563]

And speeeeeeeeeeeeeeed, good lord, the speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.

(when he's not on IR)

What do you have against Helm? He's got moxie, and... and... Just give me a second I'm sure I can come up with something else.

[kipwinger 8,522]

I have no problem with Darren Helm...as a third line center. I think in that role he's got a comparative advantage over almost every other third line center in the league. I also think, in that role, he can take on more defensive responsibility (which he seems good at), thus allowing us to exploit matchups.

Where I don't like Darren Helm, as should be obvious, is on a scoring line wing. Sure he can be made to look decent there (Ian White could be made to look decent on a top defensive pairing too), but that obscures the fact that his talents are better utilized elsewhere, and somone else (who has the skill set needed to be a top six winger) could be slotted in that spot for maximum efficiency.

But what do I know? I'm as wrong about the roster as I am right most of the time. Nevertheless, I'll beat the drum for moving Helm, not because I don't like him, but because he's redundant on this team and we've got a couple of needs to fill to be a true Cup competitor (in my opinion).

Edited December 15, 2014 by kipwinger

[wings87 1,290]

I have no problem with Darren Helm...as a third line center. I think in that role he's got a comparative advantage over almost every other third line center in the league. I also think, in that role, he can take on more defensive responsibility (which he seems good at), thus allowing us to exploit matchups.

Where I don't like Darren Helm, as should be obvious, is on a scoring line wing. Sure he can be made to look decent there (Ian White could be made to look decent on a top defensive pairing too), but that obscures the fact that his talents are better utilized elsewhere, and somone else (who has the skill set needed to be a top six winger) could be slotted in that spot for maximum efficiency.

But what do I know? I'm as wrong about the roster as I am right most of the time. Nevertheless, I'll beat the drum for moving Helm, not because I don't like him, but because he's redundant on this team and we've got a couple of needs to fill to be a true Cup competitor (in my opinion).

It was sarcasm, but I defenitaly agree with you about what Helm's role on the team should be. Although I see him more as a 4th line center. But I would still rather move Andersson, he'll bring back less-but he's completely overshadowed by other players on the team. Edited December 15, 2014 by wings87

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

How can you turn down a guy with a flowing mullet like Ricci's?

That dude looks like a bizarro hockey world Crispin Glover.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I have no problem with Darren Helm...as a third line center. I think in that role he's got a comparative advantage over almost every other third line center in the league. I also think, in that role, he can take on more defensive responsibility (which he seems good at), thus allowing us to exploit matchups.

Where I don't like Darren Helm, as should be obvious, is on a scoring line wing. Sure he can be made to look decent there (Ian White could be made to look decent on a top defensive pairing too), but that obscures the fact that his talents are better utilized elsewhere, and somone else (who has the skill set needed to be a top six winger) could be slotted in that spot for maximum efficiency.

But what do I know? I'm as wrong about the roster as I am right most of the time. Nevertheless, I'll beat the drum for moving Helm, not because I don't like him, but because he's redundant on this team and we've got a couple of needs to fill to be a true Cup competitor (in my opinion).

Agreed, 100%. Even before Weiss was coming back, I was fine with moving Helm in a deal. As you say, he's a fantastic 3rd line center, but he's not being used in that role anymore. Sheahan's been showing he's got more offensive upside than a lot of people expected of out him. They wanna split Datsyuk and Z, they don't want to split them... either way. This team can run Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Sheahan, Weiss, Glendening and even Andersson down the middle without Helm. If another team thinks he's an attractive piece as part of a deal, I move him for a more pressing need in Detroit.

[number9 3,297]

Agreed, 100%. Even before Weiss was coming back, I was fine with moving Helm in a deal. As you say, he's a fantastic 3rd line center, but he's not being used in that role anymore. Sheahan's been showing he's got more offensive upside than a lot of people expected of out him. They wanna split Datsyuk and Z, they don't want to split them... either way. This team can run Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Sheahan, Weiss, Glendening and even Andersson down the middle without Helm. If another team thinks he's an attractive piece as part of a deal, I move him for a more pressing need in Detroit.

Fast. defense. wake boarding. darren helm. never trade.

[LeftWinger 4,953]

The emergence of Sheahan and Glendening has, unfortunately, made Helm the tradable asset. If he, prospect (fwd not named Larkin or Mantha) and a pick would get us, Green, Myers, Yandle, etc... then it's a no brainer. If the rumor is true, just a 2nd rounder for Green, it should be done today. Then they could also acquire Yandle for a trade package. That would cause a huge logjam next season though, an even worse when the kids are out of options. Jensen, Sproul, Oullet, Marchenko, Backman...sheesh, we got a lot of good prospects on D. We'd have to dump K, Q and possibly Ericsson. I could also see Smith being put in a trade package.

[kipwinger 8,522]

The emergence of Sheahan and Glendening has, unfortunately, made Helm the tradable asset. If he, prospect (fwd not named Larkin or Mantha) and a pick would get us, Green, Myers, Yandle, etc... then it's a no brainer. If the rumor is true, just a 2nd rounder for Green, it should be done today. Then they could also acquire Yandle for a trade package. That would cause a huge logjam next season though, an even worse when the kids are out of options. Jensen, Sproul, Oullet, Marchenko, Backman...sheesh, we got a lot of good prospects on D. We'd have to dump K, Q and possibly Ericsson. I could also see Smith being put in a trade package.

I agree with some of what you're saying, but I disagree on a few points which I'll describe in more detail after the jump.

(Jump)

Ok, glad you're still with me.

1. Tyler Myers isf****** horrible. Can we please stop talking about him like he's in the same class as these other guys? If Ken Holland traded ANY of our good assets for a guy with SEVEN points on the season, he should be drawn, quartered, sewn back together, and drawn and quartered again. Also, Myers doesn't even really fill a need anymore considering how we run our new powerplay. In a single point powerplay (as opposed to two point men) the guy in back (defenseman) must be able to skate (since he's the only one consistently monitoring the blue line). Hence why Chara was moved off Boston's powerplay point in favor of Krug. He can't skate (quickly). Neither can Myers.

2. We can't afford Yandle and Green. That's almost 12 million dollars in cap that we can't really afford to take on. It would need to be one or the other. Also, ignoring the cap hit, I still wouldn't want both of them as you'd have a whole bunch of redundancy in terms of skill set. If you acquired both you'd have one of Yandle, Green, or Kronwall sitting on the bench too often to make a difference offensively (especially on the powerplay). One or the other, but not both.

3. Ericsson is probably not going anywhere for a long time, and we should all be thankful. If our defense was some combination of Kronwall, Yandle, Green, Smith, Dekeyser, and those kids, they'd get eaten alive in the playoffs. You still need big bodied, stay at home defenders in this league, and Ericsson is probably one of the most underrated ones in the league. Kindl can go, Quincey can go, and (if Babs' use of Ouellet over Smith has shown) Smith could theoretically go. But Ericsson isn't going anywhere.

Edited December 15, 2014 by kipwinger

[number9 3,297]

Who are we gonna compare to Draper after we trade Helm? Hmm?? Draper was a part of all of those cup teams. Logic follows that we need mini draper to win more cups in the future.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Who are we gonna compare to Draper after we trade Helm? Hmm?? Draper was a part of all of those cup teams. Logic follows that we need mini draper to win more cups in the future.

Glendening?

[Guest DeGraa55]

Glendening?

Ya exactly. We don't need helm any more as much as I like the guy and his speed.

[number9 3,297]

Glendening?

Then whose Abdelkader gonna be friends with? Glendening went to U of M, he can't be Abby's best pal.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Then whose Abdelkader gonna be friends with? Glendening went to U of M, he can't be Abby's best pal.

Miller?

[rick zombo 3,739]

If the asking price for Yandle really is a top forward + prospect + 2nd round pick, then I would have zero problems with

Nyquist + Pulkinnen + 2nd

Gotta give to get yo!!

[Dabura 12,207]

Yandle steps on this team and he's our best defensemen, simple as that.

Based on what? Does Tippett see him as his team's undisputed #1 defenseman? Does Tippett count on him to shut down the opposition's top guns every night? Is Yandle Tippett's top option for any and every conceivable situation and assignment? Has Yandle shown he's more than capable of being a solid #1 on a perennial contender?

I'm all about the Yandle love - but Kronwall is better. He's a complete defenseman, a legit #1. He's one of the best in the business.

Saw this blog that suggests we could possibly get Green for a 2nd round pick. Do you think that's realistic? Cause I think we should do that deal if it is. He's a rental at this point, but I could see him resigning. No lost roster players. We could then flip Kindl for a lower pick.

http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2014/12/12/nhl-rumors-ii-bruins-sabres-wings-leafs-oilers-and-blues/

I think he'll cost more than that, but not much more. (Certainly nowhere near what Yandle would cost.) The problem is, his cap hit's $6M and we only have about half that in cap space. Moving Kindl would get us just about there, but no one wants a #6 defenseman with a $2.4M cap hit who's under contract until 2017.

Edited December 15, 2014 by Dabura

[Echolalia 2,961]

3. Ericsson is probably not going anywhere for a long time, and we should all be thankful. If our defense was some combination of Kronwall, Yandle, Green, Smith, Dekeyser, and those kids, they'd get eaten alive in the playoffs. You still need big bodied, stay at home defenders in this league, and Ericsson is probably one of the most underrated ones in the league. Kindl can go, Quincey can go, and (if Babs' use of Ouellet over Smith has shown) Smith could theoretically go. But Ericsson isn't going anywhere.

I think the biggest reason the Wings were so outmatched against the Bruins last year in the playoffs was because we didn't have Ericsson playing.

[kipwinger 8,522]

I think the biggest reason the Wings were so outmatched against the Bruins last year in the playoffs was because we didn't have Ericsson playing.

I agree. The year before he was a monster against Chicago. He was all over Toews and I recall him absolutely decimating Bickell along the boards as well. People always harp on stay at home guys until they're gone. Did it with Stuart, do it with Ericsson.

[rick zombo 3,739]

I think he'll cost more than that, but not much more. (Certainly nowhere near what Yandle would cost.) The problem is, his cap hit's $6M and we only have about half that in cap space. Moving Kindl would get us just about there, but no one wants a #6 defenseman with a $2.4M cap hit who's under contract until 2017.

Currently, yes.

But as I said in another thread. If Holland waits until the deadline to make a deal, he can take on 9M+ in salaries. So acquiring Green would not be a cap issue.

[number9 3,297]

Miller?

And what if he retires? He is graying u know.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Yandle is clearly the best of the three but Green is the best option for Detroit in my opinion...