Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[rick zombo 3,739]

I'd be ok with that too. Somebody (Pittsburgh) will give more though. And I'd hate to lose any decent prospects for a guy I can sign this offseason.

Exactly. Now that Maata's out for the season, Pittsburgh will be looking to wheel and deal. They have a "win now" mentality.

In a bubble, it wouldn't cost the farm for Petry. But there's no bubble. In fact, they will be several fringe playoff teams (like us) looking to fix their D, along with a few contenders looking to further strengthen their blueline. So it would no doubt be costly for Holland to aquire Petry.

[krsmith17 7,191]

That's precisely why he shouldn't wait until the deadline. Prices are always that much steeper leading up to the deadline. Work the phones now Kenny...

[kipwinger 8,524]

That's precisely why he shouldn't wait until the deadline. Prices are always that much steeper leading up to the deadline. Work the phones now Kenny...

Don't you think that if Petry could be had for Kindl, Backman's rights, and a mid rounder right now, wouldn't it have happened already? Holland's been shopping Kindl for a year and a half. I doubt that such a trade is available to him and he just hasn't pulled the trigger. Likely, Edmonton is waiting for a bigger purse.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Don't you think that if Petry could be had for Kindl, Backman's rights, and a mid rounder right now, wouldn't it have happened already? Holland's been shopping Kindl for a year and a half. I doubt that such a trade is available to him and he just hasn't pulled the trigger. Likely, Edmonton is waiting for a bigger purse.

Agreed. There's no incentive for Edmonton to make a deal before the deadline. they'll get more then.

[rick zombo 3,739]

Agreed. There's no incentive for Edmonton to make a deal before the deadline. they'll get more then.

Incentive you say?

[kipwinger 8,524]

Incentive you say?

Point taken, but it's not like Jeff Petry is winning them games.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I honestly don't believe Holland has been actively shopping Kindl, or anybody for that matter. If he were, I don't think he would be okay with Babcock scratching him every chance he gets. It really boggles my mind, sometimes it seems as though they're trying to up Kindl's value by putting him on the powerplay, and then the very next game he is scratched. I think he should remain in the lineup so maybe someone would take him in a trade, if not, waive him...

[Dabura 12,207]

I honestly don't believe Holland has been actively shopping Kindl, or anybody for that matter. If he were, I don't think he would be okay with Babcock scratching him every chance he gets. It really boggles my mind, sometimes it seems as though they're trying to up Kindl's value by putting him on the powerplay, and then the very next game he is scratched. I think he should remain in the lineup so maybe someone would take him in a trade, if not, waive him...

I assume/hope the plan is to include him in a package. On his own, he's not going to fetch us anything. But package him with a 3rd and Frk and maybe that gets us Petry.

If Kindl's not gone by the deadline, Holland should be strapped to a rocket and that rocket should be shot into the sun. Ouellet has been excellent. Ouellet is way better than Kindl, and he seems to make Smith better. He should, at the very least, be a regular.

Edited January 13, 2015 by Dabura

[Echolalia 2,961]

I honestly don't believe Holland has been actively shopping Kindl, or anybody for that matter. If he were, I don't think he would be okay with Babcock scratching him every chance he gets. It really boggles my mind, sometimes it seems as though they're trying to up Kindl's value by putting him on the powerplay, and then the very next game he is scratched. I think he should remain in the lineup so maybe someone would take him in a trade, if not, waive him...

I think Babcock is going to do what he wants, regardless of who Holland gives him and what Holland prefers. I just don't think anyone wants to give up assets for a bottom-pairing defensman who keeps getting burned by most other teams' forwards.

[Dabura 12,207]

If we add someone, it's probably going to be an affordable rental like Petry, someone who can slot into our top four without costing us a prime asset. Similar options: Zybnek Michalek, Marek Zidlicky, Marc Methot. Yeah, I know, but it is what it is. Want Jared Spurgeon? Well, guess what: the Wild don't want to deal him. Want Ryan Ellis? Well, guess what: the Preds don't want to deal him. Want David Savard? Well, guess what: the Blue Jackets don't want to deal him. Want Erik Johnson or Tyson Barrie? hahahahahaha. Want Cody Franson? Well, guess what: that'll cost three good assets (and, remember, we'll be giving those assets to the Leafs) and it's incredibly likely that Franson looks to Get Paid in the summer a la Matt Niskanen, and that even if Holland offers him the moon, there's absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that he'd accept it. Want Mike Green? Too bad, the Caps aren't moving him, and even if they are, Holland won't trade a first-round pick for a high-profile rental (see: Franson, Cody). Want Keith Yandle? So does everyone, including the Coyotes.

And, oh yeah, Olli Maatta's out for the season, so the Pens will be looking to add a top-four defenseman. And, as the Pens are in full-on "win now" mode, they'll be willing to pay what we're not willing to pay. Which isn't a knock on Holland. The Pens are simply a better team and they're closer to winning a Cup. Realistically, we're a couple years away from where they are right now. Which, admittedly, is an issue, because we only have so much time left with Datsyuk, and Zetterberg isn't getting any younger. So, hell, maybe we should just go all in this season.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

If we add someone, it's probably going to be an affordable rental like Petry, someone who can slot into our top four without costing us a prime asset. Similar options: Zybnek Michalek, Marek Zidlicky, Marc Methot. Yeah, I know, but it is what it is. Want Jared Spurgeon? Well, guess what: the Wild don't want to deal him. Want Ryan Ellis? Well, guess what: the Preds don't want to deal him. Want David Savard? Well, guess what: the Blue Jackets don't want to deal him. Want Erik Johnson or Tyson Barrie? hahahahahaha. Want Cody Franson? Well, guess what: that'll cost three good assets (and, remember, we'll be giving those assets to the Leafs) and it's incredibly likely that Franson looks to Get Paid in the summer a la Matt Niskanen, and that even if Holland offers him the moon, there's absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that he'd accept it. Want Mike Green? Too bad, the Caps aren't moving him, and even if they are, Holland won't trade a first-round pick for a high-profile rental (see: Franson, Cody). Want Keith Yandle? So does everyone, including the Coyotes.

And, oh yeah, Olli Maatta's out for the season, so the Pens will be looking to add a top-four defenseman. And, as the Pens are in full-on "win now" mode, they'll be willing to pay what we're not willing to pay. Which isn't a knock on Holland. The Pens are simply a better team and they're closer to winning a Cup. Realistically, we're a couple years away from where they are right now. Which, admittedly, is an issue, because we only have so much time left with Datsyuk, and Zetterberg isn't getting any younger. So, hell, maybe we should just go all in this season.

I actually wouldn't mind Zidlicky under different circumstances. At this point, swapping something like Kindl and a pick, or Kindl and a prospect only exchanges Kindl's spot with Zidlicky/Michalek/whoever. I truly believe this team gets better by moving two defenders out (thus giving XO a spot), not just one. I really want Holland to be proactive, if at all possible.

At this point, I think I'm asking too much for a deal like this to go down. Chances are, he swaps Kindl and a piece we should hang onto for a vet, and then either sends XO back down or waives Lashoff to make room for him. Meh.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

I actually wouldn't mind Zidlicky under different circumstances. At this point, swapping something like Kindl and a pick, or Kindl and a prospect only exchanges Kindl's spot with Zidlicky/Michalek/whoever. I truly believe this team gets better by moving two defenders out (thus giving XO a spot), not just one. I really want Holland to be proactive, if at all possible.

At this point, I think I'm asking too much for a deal like this to go down. Chances are, he swaps Kindl and a piece we should hang onto for a vet, and then either sends XO back down or waives Lashoff to make room for him. Meh.

If Quincey + Kindl + pick or Ericsson + Kindl + pick gets us a player of a higher caliber then I think that would be a great move for the team. Or move Kindl in a separate deal. Ericsson has been underperforming this year and will probably get better, but I'd sacrifice him for that RH offensive guy.

I sort of agree with many who say that Lashoff is the perfect 7th D, but role is getting so small that he'll play very few games at all. Right now he only plays when Kindl's out - if Kindl's gone he's only going to be used in emergency situations. Every other injury should be used as an opportunity for one of our D prospects. Even in that situation, though, I'd keep him around since we don't want our prospects as the 7th guy not playing. As soon as the prospects start running out of options, then we can upgrade Lashoff for one of them as #7 and maybe have a rotating situation.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Incentive you say?

Yeah, but they're already bottom of the league. They'll only have the incentive if they start winning, haha.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Petty isn't a top 4 D here. Dekeyser and Smith are better, and except for this year Ericsson has been better, and Babcock isn't likely to bump him down to the 3rd pair for Petty.

[kipwinger 8,524]

Petty isn't a top 4 D here. Dekeyser and Smith are better, and except for this year Ericsson has been better, and Babcock isn't likely to bump him down to the 3rd pair for Petty.

Your overall point I agree with, but Smith isn't better. Even if they were equally bad defensively, which doesn't seem to be the case, at least Petry scores (more).

I'd do Petry for Smith straight up.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Where is the "Dislike This" button when you need it...

[Buppy 1,720]

Your overall point I agree with, but Smith isn't better. Even if they were equally bad defensively, which doesn't seem to be the case, at least Petry scores (more).

I'd do Petry for Smith straight up.

No, not really. Career gpg and ppg is very similar.

I have no idea why anyone is interested in Petry, or why anyone would think he can score.

[kipwinger 8,524]

No, not really. Career gpg and ppg is very similar.

I have no idea why anyone is interested in Petry, or why anyone would think he can score.

Because he's a righty? That's like the holy grail of Detroit hockey.

I agree though, neither score much. I wasn't trying to suggest that Petry was Mike Green or anything. Which is why I've said I don't want Holland to use assets on him.

Edited January 14, 2015 by kipwinger

[chaps80 1,591]

That's precisely why he shouldn't wait until the deadline. Prices are always that much steeper leading up to the deadline. Work the phones now Kenny...

Kenny actually works the phones? Maybe for hookers and pizza...

[TheXym 2,606]

Kenny actually works the phones? Maybe for hookers and pizza...

I thought that was Hudler.

I'd rather see him make a good hockey trade rather than a trade for the sake of making a trade.

[chaps80 1,591]

I thought that was Hudler.

lol yes

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Petty isn't a top 4 D here. Dekeyser and Smith are better, and except for this year Ericsson has been better, and Babcock isn't likely to bump him down to the 3rd pair for Petty.

Your overall point I agree with, but Smith isn't better. Even if they were equally bad defensively, which doesn't seem to be the case, at least Petry scores (more).

I'd do Petry for Smith straight up.

Doesn't Petry get PP time? He should be scoring more

[kipwinger 8,524]

Doesn't Petry get PP time? He should be scoring more

He does. And he should. I agree, he's not great. Certainly not the right handed, puck moving, saving grace that Detroit is supposedly interested in. Which is why, if we're interested in him, we should wait until the offseason and sign him (rather than giving up assets in a trade).

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

He does. And he should. I agree, he's not great. Certainly not the right handed, puck moving, saving grace that Detroit is supposedly interested in. Which is why, if we're interested in him, we should wait until the offseason and sign him (rather than giving up assets in a trade).

There was rumor that they only wanted a 2nd round pick for him.

But I think if that were the case he'd be moved already.

[Yzerfan87 146]

If we can get Petry for Kindl, I am OK with it. He's not a savior, but it would be an upgrade still, and we get rid of Kindl.