Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[rick zombo 3,739]

The folks at TSN feel Yandle is in fact gonna be moved before, or at the trade deadline.

I don't know much about him - other than he's an offensive minded Dman...Do we really need him, and at what price?

Yes. Yes we do. But Holland won't make the deal.

Price? Larkin + Smith + Pulkinnen + 1st. Maybe......

Which is why Holland won't make the deal.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Holland has also stated he has no interest in rentals or guys with 1 year left.

If he makes a trade, it'll be for someone with term.

[kipwinger 8,521]

The folks at TSN feel Yandle is in fact gonna be moved before, or at the trade deadline.

I don't know much about him - other than he's an offensive minded Dman...Do we really need him, and at what price?

Yandle's super good. He's got Mike Green's offense, better defense, and is MUCH more durable. He's a workhorse. BUT, we don't need a workhorse. We need an offensive defenseman, and Yandle will cost a lot to acquire (and keep when his contract is out). As such, I'd rather just wait and pursue Green in free agency. At least that only costs the price of the contract.

Holland has also stated he has no interest in rentals or guys with 1 year left.

If he makes a trade, it'll be for someone with term.

When we talk about "rentals" aren't we usually talking about guys who are free agents at the end of the season? Not guys with another year on their contract? So, Mike Green (if traded for) would be a rental because you'd only be getting him for the remainder of this season, while Yandle wouldn't...because he'd play the remainder of this year and all of next year, at least.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

For the right price I would like him but rather spend some the cap room on Boychuk or next year Seabrook neither would cost any assets

[krsmith17 7,191]

Yandle isn't even an option. He would cost way more than Kenny or most any Red Wings fan would be willing to give up. Zombo's package of Smith, Pulkkinen, Larkin, and a first is probably fairly accurate in what they would be asking for, possibly even more (Smith, Ouellet, Mantha and a first). And there is no way I give up that package for Yandle...

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Patrik Hersley 6'3" 210lb RH 28yr D

Hersley is a big defenseman with a sound two-way game. Owns a howitzer of a shot from the point. Handles the puck well and is reliable in his own end with good hockey sense. Can play a physical game at times.

[kipwinger 8,521]

Patrik Hersley 6'3" 210lb RH 28yr D

Hersley is a big defenseman with a sound two-way game. Owns a howitzer of a shot from the point. Handles the puck well and is reliable in his own end with good hockey sense. Can play a physical game at times.

He'd have to clear entry waivers to sign with Detroit...and if he's any good, then he'd probably get claimed. Remember when Detroit signed Nabokov from the KHL? Same deal.

[nawein 324]

He'd have to clear entry waivers to sign with Detroit...and if he's any good, then he'd probably get claimed. Remember when Detroit signed Nabokov from the KHL? Same deal.

I believe they did away with entry waivers in the new CBA. I know they at least did away with reentry waivers.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Yandle's super good. He's got Mike Green's offense, better defense, and is MUCH more durable. He's a workhorse. BUT, we don't need a workhorse. We need an offensive defenseman, and Yandle will cost a lot to acquire (and keep when his contract is out). As such, I'd rather just wait and pursue Green in free agency. At least that only costs the price of the contract.

While I totally understand the mentality behind this, we're basically out of spots on the back-end for next season. I'm not being snarky at all, but I'm curious as to what you think would be done with some of our defenders should they sign Green in the off-season.

Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Quincey, Kindl and Lashoff are all signed, Smith is surely going to be retained, and the team (Babcock) seems to want Ouellet up on a permanent basis. There are a few possible solutions. If we add Green to the line-up, then we have nine serviceable NHL defenders. I have a few ideas, but they don't seem ideal or Holland-esque (combination of buyout Kindl, waive Lashoff, keep Ouellet in GR). Just wondering what you think they'd do to make room for Green.

[kipwinger 8,521]

While I totally understand the mentality behind this, we're basically out of spots on the back-end for next season. I'm not being snarky at all, but I'm curious as to what you think would be done with some of our defenders should they sign Green in the off-season.

Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Quincey, Kindl and Lashoff are all signed, Smith is surely going to be retained, and the team (Babcock) seems to want Ouellet up on a permanent basis. There are a few possible solutions. If we add Green to the line-up, then we have nine serviceable NHL defenders. I have a few ideas, but they don't seem ideal or Holland-esque (combination of buyout Kindl, waive Lashoff, keep Ouellet in GR). Just wondering what you think they'd do to make room for Green.

Based on his recent history I think Holland would sign Green, and go into training camp with the exact same defensemen he has now, plus Green and Ouellet. Then make them compete for spots and figure the roster out from there (aided by inevitable injuries). That's what he's basically done with the forward corps for the last two seasons, so why not the defense?

That's said, I'd be really surprised if Kindl is still on the roster after this season. I think he'll get traded. And if that doesn't work he'll get waived and probably bought out/defect to the KHL. I know I would. Lashoff's position is tenuous and he's easy replaceable if waived/traded. So there's plenty of room there. Even more if Smith or Quincey are traded. And I don't that's as far out of the realm as some might believe.

[LeftWinger 4,951]

Kindl has to go...period. He isn't playing and we could sure use his cap hit. I too think Holland will go after Green, but I think he will not get him due to salary. I think Lashoff should be dealt as well and next season promote Jensen to Lashoff's #7 spot. Nothing against Lashoff what-so-ever, but Jensen is right-handed and could help out in that aspect. Could easily get a spot in the top 6 if the Wings are not able to land a top 4 RH'er...

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Based on his recent history I think Holland would sign Green, and go into training camp with the exact same defensemen he has now, plus Green and Ouellet. Then make them compete for spots and figure the roster out from there (aided by inevitable injuries). That's what he's basically done with the forward corps for the last two seasons, so why not the defense?

That's said, I'd be really surprised if Kindl is still on the roster after this season. I think he'll get traded. And if that doesn't work he'll get waived and probably bought out/defect to the KHL. I know I would. Lashoff's position is tenuous and he's easy replaceable if waived/traded. So there's plenty of room there. Even more if Smith or Quincey are traded. And I don't that's as far out of the realm as some might believe.

The good old "training camp will sort it all out" scenario. It's got Holland written all over it, so I tend to agree. I think the issue with that mentality is it's difficult to move guys at that time - other teams are high on their own players then. There were even some players who slipped through waivers at that time I thought would be claimed, but teams really want to see how their own talent works out.

#1: I'm surprised he's on the roster now. I'd say he's the most likely one of all to be moved - I almost think XO taking Kindl's spot on this team is written in stone. I just wonder why Kenny hasn't pulled the trigger yet - perhaps it's a combination of him asking too much for Kindl, or there not being a market for Kindl. Either way.

#2: I agree about Lashoff, but I wonder if the team would be comfortable with swapping guys like Smith, Quincey and XO in and out of the line-up. If they landed Green, I imagine that those would be the three who would be rotated. It would be a good problem to have, but I think all three guys are better than that.

#3: I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, either. I actually think Smith would be moved before Quincey, tbh. Holland seems to be high on Quincey, and he's only got a year left on his deal after this season. Ideally, if Smith moves, it's part of a package for something better. If we're signing Green, I don't know what they try to land with Smith. If they moved him for a pick, I'm not sure how I'd feel about it.

[mvanpop 98]

I've seen someone post something saying that Kindl hasn't been moved yet because Holland isn't actively trying to. I tend to believe that because Kindl is one of our few "assets" were Holland would be fine with trading as part of a package. To me that makes the most sense because Kindl is so redundant on the team that trading him alone for a late pick would make sense.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Marchenko is up next year as well as XO. I kind of have a feeling that Kindls contract may put other teams off unless he

is packaged in with other assest's in a deal.

Lashoff is wnat he is a #7 D at a cheap cap hit. Alexy would be an upgrade in every aspect. S

[Dabura 12,207]

Marchenko is up next year as well as XO. I kind of have a feeling that Kindls contract may put other teams off unless he

is packaged in with other assest's in a deal.

Lashoff is wnat he is a #7 D at a cheap cap hit. Alexy would be an upgrade in every aspect. S

Don't count on Marchenko earning a permanent spot next season. Assuming Kindl is moved and no long-term defensemen are acquired, Ouellet will be our #6 next season and Lashoff will stick as our #7. Marchenko can't be our #7, because we don't want him sitting in the press box. So he'll be first on the callup list. Or he'll be traded. (Do we really need another shutdown defenseman?)

If Kenny really is serious about adding a good long-term defenseman, I'm thinking two of the more semi-realistic non-Petry options are Ellis and Bogosian. That's my (admittedly non-insider) sense right now. I say Bogosian because the Jets may be looking to move one of their top-four defensemen for a top-nine forward. I'm not crazy about Bogosian, but he's big, young, mobile, right-handed, signed long-term, accustomed to playing big minutes, and he has the potential to be a two-way #2, and he's not meeting expectations (which is the whole reason why he might be traded in the first place). That sounds a lot like Tyler Myers, right?

Helm has been solid for us this season, but maybe he'd be ok with going home to Winnipeg? They need a 3C...we need an RHD...

Edited January 17, 2015 by Dabura

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Don't count on Marchenko earning a permanent spot next season. Assuming Kindl is moved and no long-term defensemen are acquired, Ouellet will be our #6 next season and Lashoff will stick as our #7. Marchenko can't be our #7, because we don't want him sitting in the press box. So he'll be first on the callup list. Or he'll be traded. (Do we really need another shutdown defenseman?)

If Kenny really is serious about adding a good long-term defenseman, I'm thinking two of the more semi-realistic non-Petry options are Ellis and Bogosian. That's my (admittedly non-insider) sense right now. I say Bogosian because the Jets may be looking to move one of their top-four defensemen for a top-nine forward. I'm not crazy about Bogosian, but he's big, young, mobile, right-handed, signed long-term, accustomed to playing big minutes, and he has the potential to be a two-way #2, and he's not meeting expectations (which is the whole reason why he might be traded in the first place). That sounds a lot like Tyler Myers, right?

Helm has been solid for us this season, but maybe he'd be ok with going home to Winnipeg? They need a 3C...we need an RHD...

Agree on Marchenko staying in GR for another season. They really don't have to move any of those defenders for another season, as far as I'm aware.

I've thought about a similar deal around Helm and Bogosian (more added from our side), and it looks good on paper. I'm not sure if they still feel as if they need a 3C, though. I guess it depends on how they view Perrault and Lowry. Not to mention, Cheveldayoff is pretty gun shy when it comes to making moves. I think the Jets feel as if they're finally a contender, so if they move anyone on defense, I imagine they'll be looking to unload Paul Postma in the short term. You'd have to think they're going to move one of Byfuglien, Bogosian or Trouba eventually, though.

Edited January 17, 2015 by Jesusberg

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

If marchenko can be claimed next season then I'm sure an ahl all star defensemen at 22-23 yrs of age will be claimed by a team like Edmonton

I'd love to see him play a few games now and see what he can do , same as jensen but if these kids are gonna be lost through waivers for nothing I'd rather use them In a trade

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

If marchenko can be claimed next season then I'm sure an ahl all star defensemen at 22-23 yrs of age will be claimed by a team like Edmonton

I'd love to see him play a few games now and see what he can do , same as jensen but if these kids are gonna be lost through waivers for nothing I'd rather use them In a trade

Marchenko is not out of options next year - He signed in in 2013 at age 21 so had 3 years of waiver exemption.

Neither is Jensen. Jensen signed in 2013 at age 23 and so he also had 3 years of exemption status

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/11/26/1174855/waivers-101-a-guide-to-the-nhl

For added interest:

Sproul signed at 19 in 2012 so he had 4 years exemption.

XO signed at 19 in 2012 so he had 4 years exemption.

Backman signed at 21 in 2013 so 3 years exemption

Looks like they're all good until the beginning of 2016-17. I think that's correct, but I might have missed an early birthday or something.

Edited January 18, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Marchenko is not out of options next year - He signed in in 2013 at age 21 so had 3 years of waiver exemption.

Neither is Jensen. Jensen signed in 2013 at age 23 and so he also had 3 years of exemption status

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/11/26/1174855/waivers-101-a-guide-to-the-nhl

For added interest:

Sproul signed at 19 in 2012 so he had 4 years exemption.

XO signed at 19 in 2012 so he had 4 years exemption.

Backman signed at 21 in 2013 so 3 years exemption

Looks like they're all good until the beginning of 2016-17. I think that's correct, but I might have missed an early birthday or something.

I'm fairly certain you're right. I've looked up the information and come to the same conclusions.

I think people look at Jensen's age and assume he's up, but because he went the NCAA route, he was able to sign a contract later. They really don't have to touch anyone until the beginning of that season, and that's when I think those guys battle for spots. I wouldn't be surprised to see only one of Jensen/Sproul on this team. Ouellet's almost a shoe-in, and Marchenko is quietly putting together a solid season in GR. Sproul and Jensen play a similar, offensively-minded game.

[LeftWinger 4,951]

It is of my opinion that ALL 4 guys should be on this team come 2016. But unfortunately it will be too crowded. I really believe Petry is either going to be traded for or he will come here as a UFA in the summer. You are now forced to deal with a bit of overcrowding. Smith will have to re-signed, if he isn't dealt. I really think all of the D are playing pretty great right now, even Q. He has seemed to have settled in a role that fits him. I am not saying I like him, nor do I want anything to do with him re-signing, but he ha settled in and is making far less mistakes.

I would be ok with trading Smith and replacing him with Petry, but I'd much rather trade Ericsson. Although I know it isn't happening, but my order of importance puts Smith ahead of Ericsson. But that is just me. If somehow we got a hold of Petry for Kindl, who else would lose icetime? Right now, XO is in for Kindl, so just moving K, would not open a spot for Petry. Do we bow out of the trade day events and roll the dice we can land him on July 1? You could move K for a pick (if that is possible) and then go with Petry in the summer. If you re-sign Smith, your D looks like this:

Kronner - Ericsson

Dekeyser - Petry

Quincey - Oulette

Smith/Lashoff

...at which point you see that Smith is the odd man out. I don't think that Holland would pass on the opportunity if Petry came calling and wanted to play at home. He probably could be had for a bit less than market value if he indeed wants to play for the Wings. I think if Smith is re-signed, do you sit him at #7 and dump Lashoff? I think Smith is too good to be a #7. XO most likely will not be sent down to GR ever again, so now what? Do you try to trade Q over the summer? IMO that would be the best idea. But now you are looking at a log jam in 2016. Danny D gets re-signed, thats a no brainer, now you have Marchenko, Jensen, Sproul all out of exemptions. All RD'd and only one place to go....#7. Yikes...to me, Ericsson becomes tradeable in order to make room for those guys. But we know how Holland feels about Ericsson, so what to do? I know one of the 3 RH'rs will probably get traded or claimed on waivers, but damn if we will be forced to trade TWO of them or lose two of them...Especially after all of our lack of RH'rs woes.

IMO, and it ain't gonna be very popular, by the time 2016-17 rolls around, the WIngs have to be rid of Lashoff, Kindl, Quincey and one of Smith, Ericsson in order to have Petry here and protect their young assets.

Kronner - Dekeyser

Petry - Ouellet

Sproul - Marchenko

Smith/Jensen

If they need to trade Marchenko or Jensen to keep Smith in the top 6, I hate it, but you have to do what you have to do.

Kronner - Ericsson

Petry - Dekeyser

Ouellet - Sproul

Jensen/Marchenko

We are losing someone very important to the future of this team no matter how you slice it....yikes...and yikes again!

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

Assuming sproul continues his defense development and keeps his offensive game intact I think he makes it over Jensen.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Assuming sproul continues his defense development and keeps his offensive game intact I think he makes it over Jensen.

I agree, and I like Sproul way more. I just think anything can happen, and it's one or the other. I really hope Sproul rounds out his game.

On another note, while I've been suggesting the idea of moving Helm in a package for a top 4 defender recently, I think they need to try to find a suitor for Weiss. Being able to split Datsyuk and Zetterberg, Sheahan coming into his own and looking like he could be a solid #2 center and Helm playing very well... Weiss is the odd man out at this point.

Weiss has more offensive ability, but Helm offers more overall. He has Babcock's trust and was drafted by the Wings. Weiss is wasted on the 4th line, but I'm not so sure Helm belongs there, either. I'm not sure how long they'll hang onto Weiss, and if they can find someone to take his contract/he'll waive his NMC for that team, but I feel like the writing is on the wall for him. It's good to have extra guys who can slot in on higher lines as an insurance policy, but he just seems so out of place on this team.

[LeftWinger 4,951]

with the log jam at D upcoming, I really do nit want to lose any of our Griffs for nothing. Marchenko is just about NHL ready, I would contact NJ and ask about swapping him for Santini. Marchenko would step right in the lineup for NJ as early as next season, possibly this season. Santini would give us a couple extra years of flexibility before he runs out of exemptions. They are both RH'd so we wouldn't be losing that and like I said, it would give us more flexibilty with the transition of our kids.

[kipwinger 8,521]

with the log jam at D upcoming, I really do nit want to lose any of our Griffs for nothing. Marchenko is just about NHL ready, I would contact NJ and ask about swapping him for Santini. Marchenko would step right in the lineup for NJ as early as next season, possibly this season. Santini would give us a couple extra years of flexibility before he runs out of exemptions. They are both RH'd so we wouldn't be losing that and like I said, it would give us more flexibilty with the transition of our kids.

We're not going to lose Marchenko for nothing. He's still got waiver exemptions. Why would we do this?

[number9 3,297]

with the log jam at D upcoming, I really do nit want to lose any of our Griffs for nothing. Marchenko is just about NHL ready, I would contact NJ and ask about swapping him for Santini. Marchenko would step right in the lineup for NJ as early as next season, possibly this season. Santini would give us a couple extra years of flexibility before he runs out of exemptions. They are both RH'd so we wouldn't be losing that and like I said, it would give us more flexibilty with the transition of our kids.

Santini? That's an oddly specific choice