Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I'm kind of bothered by the fact that Jurco already having back troubles.

Not enough to give up on him yet, but its a little worrying.

[LeftWinger 4,951]

the point of "doing this" is because we aren't going to have room in two years for 4 defensemen. Ouelett is staying, but he along with the three RH'rs are all out of exemptions 2016. With re-signing Smith and Dekeyser by then that leaves 2 spots for for 3 defensemen that year. Rather than to be forced to trade one of them when nobody is going offer you value for them because if you waive him someone can get him for free. Getting high volume for him now for someone who has more exemptions lessons the log jam in 16. I chose to mention Santini because he is a high prospect that is also RH'd, a leader and expected to be a very good NHL defenseman. NJ is struggling right now and Marchenko is pretty much ready to step in to the NHL, he is an AHL all star and according to experts, he is our top D prospect. He could step in and help NJ and since he is a top prospect, it would lesson their loss of Santini. Us getting Santini allows us to spread out the D graduation to Detroit instead of having to deal with 4 players who cannot be sent down all at once.

[LeftWinger 4,951]

I'm kind of bothered by the fact that Jurco already having back troubles.

Not enough to give up on him yet, but its a little worrying.

I agree, but if they gave up early on oft injured youngsters, Kronner would've been gone a long time ago.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

the point of "doing this" is because we aren't going to have room in two years for 4 defensemen. Ouelett is staying, but he along with the three RH'rs are all out of exemptions 2016. With re-signing Smith and Dekeyser by then that leaves 2 spots for for 3 defensemen that year. Rather than to be forced to trade one of them when nobody is going offer you value for them because if you waive him someone can get him for free. Getting high volume for him now for someone who has more exemptions lessons the log jam in 16. I chose to mention Santini because he is a high prospect that is also RH'd, a leader and expected to be a very good NHL defenseman. NJ is struggling right now and Marchenko is pretty much ready to step in to the NHL, he is an AHL all star and according to experts, he is our top D prospect. He could step in and help NJ and since he is a top prospect, it would lesson their loss of Santini. Us getting Santini allows us to spread out the D graduation to Detroit instead of having to deal with 4 players who cannot be sent down all at once.

I don't think we'll be dealing with the all at once and I don't think it's that big of a deal that their options expire the same year. They're all at different developmental stages despite the common "deadline". Ouellet should be up for good now, but even if he's sent down I don't think there's any way he plays in GR until he's out of options. Same can happen with the others in the intervening time.

We've got these promising players. let's see how they develop before doing anything. I mean there could be an injury or who-knows-what. As far as trading them, if we do, it should be in a package for that established RH offensive D upgrade that we want.

I don't know much about Santini but I see he's 19 and a high prospect - Jersey's near the basement this year so they're playing for the future and they wouldn't want immediate help anyway.

Edited January 21, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[LeftWinger 4,951]

I agree, but Marchenko is future for any team he goes to. He would be a nice building block for anyone. There just is not enough room here for all if them. Not without trading Smith and Ericsson. Which won't happen, so in two summers, we will be forced to trade one of them or trade them. In two summers we'll have Krinner, Ericsson, Dekeyser and Smith under contract. Then you have Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko and Jensen vying for three spots. It gets even more crowded if Holland signs someone UFA this summer.

[number9 3,297]

I agree, but Marchenko is future for any team he goes to. He would be a nice building block for anyone. There just is not enough room here for all if them. Not without trading Smith and Ericsson. Which won't happen, so in two summers, we will be forced to trade one of them or trade them. In two summers we'll have Krinner, Ericsson, Dekeyser and Smith under contract. Then you have Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko and Jensen vying for three spots. It gets even more crowded if Holland signs someone UFA this summer.

Players will leave for nothing just like with Filppula and Hudler. Holland and Babs will squeeze every last drop out of them, and then when their contracts are up they will re-sign the ones they like and let the others walk. Trading those players for low end picks before all that could be beneficial, but when you draft like we do it isn't really necessary. Let em overripe and give them every chance to earn a spot, if they don't: Let em walk.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Marchenko is probably going to too out as a second pair guy, Jensen a 3rd. Sproul could be anything from a total stud to a complete bust. Ouellet projects as sy guy who doesn't have any major weaknesses but nothing that dazzles anyone. I'm not sure how much value any of them have by themselves in a trade. Probably not much in terms if Marchenko and Jensen.

[number9 3,297]

Marchenko is probably going to too out as a second pair guy, Jensen a 3rd. Sproul could be anything from a total stud to a complete bust. Ouellet projects as sy guy who doesn't have any major weaknesses but nothing that dazzles anyone. I'm not sure how much value any of them have by themselves in a trade. Probably not much in terms if Marchenko and Jensen.

None have any real great return. They aren't overly hyped by anyone but us.

[Dabura 12,207]

EARTH-SHATTERING REVELATIONS

[Dabura 12,207]

You almost feel like he made the Legwand trade just so he could say, for the rest of time, "Yeah but Legwand tho! Never again!" Like Quincey and how we're never ever ever ever ever going to trade another first-round pick.

[Echolalia 2,961]

EARTH-SHATTERING REVELATIONS

I'm fine with standing pat for the time being. I'm not GM, but given the talent that we have coming through the pipeline, I'd be pretty gunshy too, right now.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

You almost feel like he made the Legwand trade just so he could say, for the rest of time, "Yeah but Legwand tho! Never again!" Like Quincey and how we're never ever ever ever ever going to trade another first-round pick.

Yeahhh.

But Quincey has, *arguably* been worth a late first round pick.

Especially lately.

Tonight he was physical behind and in front of the net, for the most part, and hard on the puck.

He's been good.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

I'm actually totally fine with that. We just need to find a taker for Kindl, We should try one of the RH soon, Pursue Franson and Greene in the offseason.

[sjr2012 439]

id still like to see if we can at least try to get a RH D man at the deadline if we could I think we got a chance this team seems to really want it and I have faith with the kids being hungry we could make a soild run

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I'm actually totally fine with that. We just need to find a taker for Kindl, We should try one of the RH soon, Pursue Franson and Greene in the offseason.

Personally, I'd like Green now, but you can tell Washington is making a run and isn't going to move him, at least I don't think they will. I'm all for grabbing either one of those guys in the offseason, but I wonder who Detroit moves to make room. Assuming Kindl is gone, you're still left with Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Quincey, Smith, Ouellet and Lashoff. Unless they're going to waive Lashoff and rotate Smith and Ouellet in and out on the line-up, I'm not sure where they make the room.

[VM1138 1,921]

I still worry our offense is a little to predictable. We still really need a talented goal scorer who can make things happen on his own. After Tatar and Nyquist got shut down in the playoffs last year I think having an extra hand on board is necessary. I'm not saying they'll never be good in the playoffs but some insurance would be really, really nice.

And yes, the perennial need for a back-end, right handed offensive defenseman still hasn't changed. But that is only because they still seem to be reluctant to give defensive prospects a chance. If there's no intention of bringing up one or two more of them (and I'd be leery about bringing up that many rookies) then they need to make a trade.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Personally, I'd like Green now, but you can tell Washington is making a run and isn't going to move him, at least I don't think they will. I'm all for grabbing either one of those guys in the offseason, but I wonder who Detroit moves to make room. Assuming Kindl is gone, you're still left with Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Quincey, Smith, Ouellet and Lashoff. Unless they're going to waive Lashoff and rotate Smith and Ouellet in and out on the line-up, I'm not sure where they make the room.

Quincey is only signed for one more year. He's been playing quite well and could be moved pretty easily i think. He seems to be the most likely sacrifice if that situation came about.

[e_prime 1,936]

• Pierre LeBrun of ESPN: Red Wings GM Ken Holland will keep working the phones as the deadline approaches.

  “If we can find a player that can upgrade us at a price we can live with, we’ll do it,” Holland told ESPN.com Tuesday.

  “Last year I paid what I thought was a pretty heavy price,” Holland said. “Jarnkrok is playing regular [time] in Nashville this year, plus the second-round pick. But we didn’t have any centers at the time. That morning I got news [Pavel] Datsyuk was down for basically the rest of the regular season. [Darren] Helm had got a concussion two nights earlier and [Henrik] Zetterberg was down with back surgery. So I paid a hefty price. But I think the line of Legwand with [Johan] Franzen and [Gustav] Nyquist certainly for the first 10 games after the trade carried us and gave us hope. And we eventually made the playoffs.”

  Though they would probably like to add a top-four defenseman, if the price is too high, they could settle for a No. 5 – 6 guy instead.

  Sense is they won’t move a first rounder, and would only include a second round pick in a package for a top-four.

Which pretty much guarantees we won't get Yandle or Myers...

[krsmith17 7,191]

Which to me, is a good thing. Sure, I'd love to have Yandle, but not at the price it would likely take. And no to Myers, unless it's for Kindl and Andersson......

Let's face it, at times Holland's strategy has looked kinda bleak, but there is no question, the guy knows what he's doing. He is drafting well, developing prospects and once again building a contender, all while never missing the playoffs in 23 years... and counting. I don't think anyone should have any reason to question anything this man does. For every move he makes, there's a reason behind it, and that reason is to make the Detroit Red Wings a better team. He's making the right decisions for the team today, while concentrating on the team 5 years from now. Sure, it would be nice to see a trade from time to time, but the players us fans would want traded (Kindl / Andersson) there isn't much of a market for. The young talent that we have grown to love, probably would have been traded years ago for a quick fix, by most any other GM. Hands down the best general manager in the league today, and quite possibly in the history of the league...

[e_prime 1,936]

Which to me, is a good thing. Sure, I'd love to have Yandle, but not at the price it would likely take. And no to Myers, unless it's for Kindl and Andersson......

Agreed. ...and I'm glad that the team is doing so well of late without any trades. Honestly, I really didn't think they had it in them and truly thought this roster needed a shake up. Still pining for that RH-Offensive D-man, though...

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Agreed. ...and I'm glad that the team is doing so well of late without any trades. Honestly, I really didn't think they had it in them and truly thought this roster needed a shake up. Still pining for that RH-Offensive D-man, though...

We still may see marchenko or Sproul this season.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

We still may see marchenko or Sproul this season.

Unlikely. If we did, would they impress? My guess is that Marchenko is more "NHL ready" than Sproul at this point.

Maybe some of the bigger GR fans here can correct me, but I believe Sproul has had a fairly inconsistent season. I think I read something about his defensive partners being swapped around a bit. Have Paetsch-Jensen and Evans-Sproul been the pairings lately?

[kipwinger 8,521]

Unlikely. If we did, would they impress? My guess is that Marchenko is more "NHL ready" than Sproul at this point.

Maybe some of the bigger GR fans here can correct me, but I believe Sproul has had a fairly inconsistent season. I think I read something about his defensive partners being swapped around a bit. Have Paetsch-Jensen and Evans-Sproul been the pairings lately?

I wouldn't say he's been inconsistent. His production hasn't great to begin the season, but once Ouellet came to the big club, Sproul became the primary puck mover in GR and his production increased. Can't speak to his defense, but I can say he's really picked in up offensively after having almost no points in the first quarter of the season.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Pierre LeBrun of ESPN: Red Wings GM Ken Holland will keep working the phones as the deadline approaches.

“If we can find a player that can upgrade us at a price we can live with, we’ll do it,” Holland told ESPN.com Tuesday.

“Last year I paid what I thought was a pretty heavy price,” Holland said. “Jarnkrok is playing regular [time] in Nashville this year, plus the second-round pick. But we didn’t have any centers at the time. That morning I got news [Pavel] Datsyuk was down for basically the rest of the regular season. [Darren] Helm had got a concussion two nights earlier and [Henrik] Zetterberg was down with back surgery. So I paid a hefty price. But I think the line of Legwand with [Johan] Franzen and [Gustav] Nyquist certainly for the first 10 games after the trade carried us and gave us hope. And we eventually made the playoffs.”

Though they would probably like to add a top-four defenseman, if the price is too high, they could settle for a No. 5 – 6 guy instead.

Sense is they won’t move a first rounder, and would only include a second round pick in a package for a top-four.

Which pretty much guarantees we won't get Yandle or Myers...

When was the last time Wings have made a trade deadline highlight ?

If they make a trade it will be for another quick fix that doesn't help long term.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I wouldn't say he's been inconsistent. His production hasn't great to begin the season, but once Ouellet came to the big club, Sproul became the primary puck mover in GR and his production increased. Can't speak to his defense, but I can say he's really picked in up offensively after having almost no points in the first quarter of the season.

Just took a look and he had 10 points through 13 games in December, which is obviously impressive. He seems to have slowed down since (can't expect him to keep that up), which is what I was getting at. He had two points heading into December, so all things considered, it's good to see that he picked it up.