Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[kipwinger 8,521]

...but he's injury prone, and can't defend (although that's not what we need anyway) and not a rough-and-tough former Bruin.

Also, we're not contenders... so there's no reason to go after him.

Oh right, I forgot he was a Bruin. The big, bad, bruiny, bear, connection. Maybe we should bring Thomas Kaberle back from Europe. Wasn't he a bearish, brawny, Bruin at one time too?

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

...but he's injury prone, and can't defend (although that's not what we need anyway) and not a rough-and-tough former Bruin.

Also, we're not contenders... so there's no reason to go after him.

Nope. A team fighting for top spot in the east can't possibly be a contender. Also we want a guy like yandle, who is only one year younger than green, but is just as irresponsible defensively and just as good offensively but will cost way more, but we don't want green?

[rick zombo 3,739]

I'm sure they are in that mode, but if they're moving out one of Yandle/OEL and Vermette, they need something to reach the floor. It was easier to figure out with CapGeek, but they're at 58.911 million right now, and clearing out about 9 million will put them under the floor. Even adding a player or two from their affiliate, you'd think they have to take on some kind of salary.

Perhaps whoever they bring in on the Vermette deal would get that done, though.

Good point about the cap floor.

I'd do that plus another prospect or two with zero hesitation.

Myers is going to cost too much fro the risk he brings unless the Sabres come down on their asking price quite a bit. Since there's no real reason to trade him unless he brings a ton back, they have no reason to do that. Some desperate GM will make a stupid deal to get him though.

You realize we're talking about Yandle, not OEL?

[joesuffP 1,746]

Yandle has missed like 6 games his whole career compared to umm Green... There's a reason Yandle is way more desired than Green, he is much more talented, plain and simple

[joesuffP 1,746]

I'm not opposed to Green at all, it's just that Yandle is clearly the better defensemen. Of course the cost is much higher for that reason and his contract

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

Yandle has missed like 6 games his whole career compared to umm Green... There's a reason Yandle is way more desired than Green, he is much more talented, plain and simple

How exactly is he much more talented?

Yandle:

Games played: 544

Career points: 302

highest point total: -59 points

highest assists: 48

career +/-: -25

Pim: 368

Current points: 32 in 49 games

Green:

games played: 544

Career points: 344

Highest point total: 76

Highest assists: 57

Career +/-: +50

Pim: 398

current points: 29 in 41 games

Well I guess those 30 less career pim make yandle way more talented....

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

Oh wait what about goals you ask? Green scored 31, while yandle's highest is 12. They are both the same height almost the same weight, but green shoots right and yandle shoots left.

To me it sounds like green would be the better fit. But hey apparently yandle has more talent.

Don't get me wrong I would love to get yandle, but

A: he would cost way too much

B: green fills a big need (and is clearly better, but has had more injuries)

C: GREEN IS BETTER

[joesuffP 1,746]

How exactly is he much more talented?

Yandle:

Games played: 544

Career points: 302

highest point total: -59 points

highest assists: 48

career +/-: -25

Pim: 368

Current points: 32 in 49 games

Green:

games played: 544

Career points: 344

Highest point total: 76

Highest assists: 57

Career +/-: +50

Pim: 398

current points: 29 in 41 games

Well I guess those 30 less career pim make yandle way more talented....

I was even going to include "Don't be blinded by stats" into my post. There isn't a GM in the league that would choose Green over Yandle. Green has played for the high scoring Capitals his whole career compared to the defensive minded Coyotes. getting stats like that playing with guys like Ovechkin and Semin in their prime to umm Doan...Whitney for 1 year? Iron man defensemen compared to injury prone defensemen is huge factor for me too

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

I was even going to include "Don't be blinded by stats" into my post. There isn't a GM in the league that would choose Green over Yandle. Green has played for the high scoring Capitals his whole career compared to the defensive minded Coyotes. getting stats like that playing with guys like Ovechkin and Semin in their prime to umm Doan...Whitney for 1 year? Iron man defensemen compared to injury prone defensemen is huge factor for me too

.

we do not need to overpay for another lefty. We have boatloads. We need a guy like green.

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

Well Nashville had some pretty bad years and Weber has never been -23 two years in a row, let alone ever. Suter hasn't. Oel is a combined -17 over the last two years while his own teammate (yandle) is a combined -46 in the same time. Oh hey Jeff petry has identical +/- numbers to yandle...

[joesuffP 1,746]

Plus minus, the stat only used when it works in your favour for an argument. Anybody that watches a lot of Yandle and Green actually play would tell you Yandle is the better player. That's what we're discussing. Idk what Shea weber and Suter's plus minus has to do with it

[joesuffP 1,746]

Coyotes and Oilers both have the worst goal differentials in the league. Petry and Yandle both play the most minutes. There's your plus minus similialarities right there

[SaCkaveli20 275]

I'm absolutely on board getting Mike Green. It doesn't really matter anyways, The Bertuzzi Curse is no longer lingering on the team, and that's why we're 'good' again.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Nm

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[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

I'm absolutely on board getting Mike Green. It doesn't really matter anyways, The Bertuzzi Curse is no longer lingering on the team, and that's why we're 'good' again.

I think we've also gotten rid of the #90 curse too. The team must have performed an exorcism.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Who would we want more:

Adam Larsson or Tyler Myers?

I'm leaning Larsson - I think Myers has a bigger bust potential and would likely cost more to trade for. They both have around the same point production this year I believe.

[ash11 78]

Who would we want more:

Adam Larsson or Tyler Myers?

I'm leaning Larsson - I think Myers has a bigger bust potential and would likely cost more to trade for. They both have around the same point production this year I believe.

yandle

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

If the ask for Yandle is too high, then I ask for Petry. He has a good chance of re-signing here too.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Petry would be a 3rd pairing D here, and there's no room for him going forward. Kronwall, Dekeyser, Smith, Ericsson, and Quincey, plus a rookie next year. The following year Quincey goes and another rookie comes in.

[krsmith17 7,191]

e_prime, this coming offseason will not be anything like the past few, in which we still attracted a few of the top UFA's. You can't compare this team two years ago when everyone was counting us out, saying that the Red Wings are finally going to miss the playoffs (just barely squeaking in), to a team that can potentially finish top in the East, and make a decent run. Like I've said time and time again, players take notice to what goes on around the league, and they definitely see a young, talented team with a bright future. This team has made the playoffs for 23 straight years and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. There's no reason to think we will not be a main attraction for UFA's going forward. I think we have a real shot at Franson, and that's the player I would try to go after...

This coming offseason, after re-signing Smith, we'll have Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Smith, Quincey and Kindl. Lashoff has been waived and cleared, he will not be on the roster next season, either in Grand Rapids or with another club. Kindl will most likely get waived as well if there are no takers on the trade market. That leaves us with 5 defenseman on our NHL roster, allowing us to sign Franson to a contract and either sign another vet to have as our number 7 or continue to use Lashoff in that spot, or have one of the kids up on a rotation (doubtful). Yeah, I want to see the kids up as much as anyone, but while they all still have waiver exemption, they are most likely to stay down there, unless we do happen to strike out on free agency. Holland will always choose a veteran over a kid when they have waiver exemption, especially if he has the opportunity to add a player of Franson's caliber without giving up assets.

There are a few forward prospects that I feel we should hold on to but the only defense prospect that is off limits for me, is Sproul. I'm glad you're admitting that you just want a trade for the sake of a trade because a lot of the trade proposals that are being thrown around are ridiculous, and will hamper us for years to come...

Speaking of which, Dickie... you would give up Larkin or Mantha, and Ouellet or Sproul, and (another prospect or two...) Athanasiou, and a first round pick for Yandle? Are you ******* kidding me? You're just looking for reactions at this point aren't you? That's insane... I wouldn't give all that up for Weber, let alone Keith ******* Yandle...

[krsmith17 7,191]

As for the Yandle vs Green debate, I agree with Euro_Twins. I think Yandle is the better defenseman, although not by a whole lot, but Green is definitely the better fit for us. He would be a much cheaper option and fills a bigger need being right handed. He can move the puck and quarterback a power-play, and produces at a similar clip as Yandle... Like E_T said, we shouldn't be overpaying for another left handed defenseman. I don't think we should be overpaying for any defenseman at this point but I would definitely choose Green over Yandle if they were the choices.

[kipwinger 8,521]

As I said in the Ovechkin thread about two different players, durability counts for a lot in this sport. Green is the more dynamic offensive player, and Yandle is less dynamic but much more durable. As good as Green's point per game totals are, I'd rather have a guy with slightly less offensive ability, but who's a threat every shift every night for 82 games a year. That's Yandle. To me he's the better player because he plays at a consistently high level night in and night out.

But like others have said, I think Green's the better fit for this team (if signed in free agency). Because with Washington's turnaround this season, he's not getting traded for anything less than a substantial overpayment.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Based on Kenny's comments, I have a hard time believing that he's going after a Petry or Zidlicky at this point.

If it's really, "go big, or go home" then he's after one of Myers, Green or Yandle, IMO.

[e_prime 1,936]

krsmith... you make a strong case, but I still would love to see Holland make a smart move at the deadline and not wait until Free Agency/Off Season to make a move on D. No overpayments for Myers, or Yandle. ...but SOMETHING! Even if it's just a Kindl for Petry swap. Get a RH D-man on the back-end.

With Franson turning down a long term deal with the Leafs (It was reported they couldn't come to terms for a multi-year deal at 4.6 per season) that certainly does make it possible for him to be available to us ...and 28 other teams.

I think Toronto will try very very hard to move Phaneuf and keep Franson though,

He's been shouldering the weight on the defensive side with Dion out with injury.

If Shanny and Co. are blowing up the Leafs, Franson is a guy they should be keeping around.

kip... I agree, I don't think Green is going to get moved at the deadline for anything less than a kings ransom.

I don't think Washington will re-sign him in the offseason though... I think with Green coming off the books, they'll be looking to finally make another big splashy move at Forward.

[number9 3,297]

Holland will never chance it on a guy like green. Way too risky at his price tag coupled with his history.