Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[Echolalia 2,961]

I mean, a second round pick is pretty much all Holland is willing to give up, so Holland is happy. Franson is a right handed defenseman so Babcock is happy. People can still satisfy their urge to yell at their TVs about a Franson/Franzen screwing up, even with Franzen on IR, so LGW is happy.

It's a win win win situation!

edit: a second round pick for Franson seems kinda low, especially if we're talking about a potential intradivisional trade. If he goes for just a second rounder, I'll be shocked.

Edited February 3, 2015 by Echolalia

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Fair, but u jumped into an argument where my point was that Green is a very high-risk FA that I don't see Holland signing. Monsters history does very little to change that.

Sorry I missed your responses. I do think Weiss was a risky Free Agent signing when we signed him, given that he'd played 17 games the year before. Green does have a much, much more exstensive injury history than Green's, but Green's been pretty healthy this year and last year.

I threw in Coliacovo and Monster as other Free agents that we've signed with extensive injury histories. People forget the Monster, besides a long history of groin injuries, also had received 3 heart ablation surgeries while with the Leafs and was nominated for a Masterton Trophy. You're right , though, because of they were signed for smallish contracts and they were brought in for lesser roles, the risk is not near what Green's would be.

I do think Weiss is somewhat comparable.

Weiss: Role: 2nd line C, Caphit: 4.9, Injury history: Wrist surgery, groin injuries in previous season

Green: Role: Top 4 Dman, Caphit: (I think less than his 6), Injury History: s*** load, but 2 healthy previous seasons

Edited February 3, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Franson isn't that good. He might be better playing for a team with better structure but he might also get banished by Babcock. I'd rather stand pat if they can't make a major move.

You seriously wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Franson? He's already got 29 pts. on the season.

I get your concern, I'm reluctant (in some ways) to take cast offs from bad teams too. But I'd certainly give a second round pick for him.

He'd either be a rental or keep an NHL ready d in GR.

Dickie, are you serious? Franson isn't that good? Not good enough to warrant a 2nd round pick? Give me a break... Have you watched Franson play? He is a great 2/3 defenseman, and is EXACTLY the type of defenseman this team needs.

Give up the 2nd, I'd even throw in another conditional if he signs after this season.

He's not a great 2/3 d, he's putting up points but isn't good in his own end. Babcock has no room for that type of player. Unless he changes how he plays Babcock would have him playing 12 minutes a night.

[kipwinger 8,521]

He'd either be a rental or keep an NHL ready d in GR.

He's not a great 2/3 d, he's putting up points but isn't good in his own end. Babcock has no room for that type of player. Unless he changes how he plays Babcock would have him playing 12 minutes a night.

You didn't answer the question, you wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Cody Franson?

[number9 3,297]

He'd either be a rental or keep an NHL ready d in GR.

He's not a great 2/3 d, he's putting up points but isn't good in his own end. Babcock has no room for that type of player. Unless he changes how he plays Babcock would have him playing 12 minutes a night.

Franson would be an amazing addition. Much better than Green in his own end. Hits a decent amount and blocks a good number of shots too.

[krsmith17 7,191]

He'd keep a not as talented NHL ready defenseman down in Grand Rapids... So what? I'd play Franson over any defenseman in Grand Rapids right now and I'd trade any of them in favor of Franson except for Sproul...

He's not a great 2/3 defenseman? Again, I'll ask you, do you actually watch Franson play? Like I've said before, I wanted him since his days in Nashville, and I still watch a ton of him now, because my girlfriend is a Leafs fan... He is a really good second pairing guy. How many defenseman in the league put up similar numbers and are better defensively? Not many, and the guys that are, are the elite of elite.

He is worth much more than a second round pick, even as a rental. If we could somehow be sure that he would re-sign, I'd give much more than that for him. He is better than over half the defenseman on our team right now, and you don't want him for a second round pick? But yet you're willing to drain our prospect pool, give up roster players and picks for Ekman-Larsson?

Franson is the exact type of defenseman this team needs. Get it done Kenneth!

[kipwinger 8,521]

He'd keep a not as talented NHL ready defenseman down in Grand Rapids... So what? I'd play Franson over any defenseman in Grand Rapids right now and I'd trade any of them in favor of Franson except for Sproul...

He's not a great 2/3 defenseman? Again, I'll ask you, do you actually watch Franson play? Like I've said before, I wanted him since his days in Nashville, and I still watch a ton of him now, because my girlfriend is a Leafs fan... He is a really good second pairing guy. How many defenseman in the league put up similar numbers and are better defensively? Not many, and the guys that are, are the elite of elite.

He is worth much more than a second round pick, even as a rental. If we could somehow be sure that he would re-sign, I'd give much more than that for him. He is better than over half the defenseman on our team right now, and you don't want him for a second round pick? But yet you're willing to drain our prospect pool, give up roster players and picks for Ekman-Larsson?

Franson is the exact type of defenseman this team needs. Get it done Kenneth!

But lets get down to brass tacks...would you trade Smith for him? Or would your head explode at the thought lol?

[krsmith17 7,191]

I would absolutely trade Smith, plus for Franson. IF we knew he would re-sign. No way I trade Smith for a rental though.

[rick zombo 3,739]

No doubt that Franson would be great on this team.

But you'd have to think the Leafs would like to deal him west. Maybe to LA or Anaheim.

[kipwinger 8,521]

I would absolutely trade Smith, plus for Franson. IF we knew he would re-sign. No way I trade Smith for a rental though.

I didn't see this answer coming. Would you trade Dekeyser for him (with the understanding that he'd re-sign)?

[wings4thecup06 504]

And you'd have to think that the price would be higher for the Wings, being an inter division trade, and just the fact that its the wings and the leafs....

[kipwinger 8,521]

And you'd have to think that the price would be higher for the Wings, being an inter division trade, and just the fact that its the wings and the leafs....

I think it's a concern, but probably not as much as you'd think. Teams do it regularly. If the return package is good, it's good. Kesler to Anaheim. Vanek to Montreal. You've got to figure, Franson is an FA and can sign anywhere (including Detroit) so might as well get the best package regardless of destination. Besides, they're about to enter a full blown rebuild. They won't be competing with us anytime soon so why worry about Cody Franson hurting you down the line?

[krsmith17 7,191]

I agree zombo, that's why part of me is hoping he doesn't get traded and hits free agency, unless he gets traded here of course.

Kip, I'd definitely consider DeKeyser for Franson but in the end, I think I'd probably back out of that deal.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

The question is are we willing to give Franson over 5 million / year? That is what the Leafs offered him and he turned it down.

[kipwinger 8,521]

5 million for a guy that'll put up 50 pts. from the back end this year? Yep. I don't care about his supposed defensive lapses. I view it the same way I did the Wisniewski contract. 50 pts. defensemen don't grow on trees, and certainly don't come along too often at the prime of their careers.

[amato 3,210]

JVR too, please!

[krsmith17 7,191]

He turned down a multi-year deal worth $4.6M by the Leafs, but I think that was more about not wanting to re-sign with that mess of a team, than the actual money he was offered. I think if we traded for him, and he was willing to re-sign, he would sign for something similar to what he was offered in Toronto. But yes, I would go as high as $5M per for Franson without hesitation.

[e_prime 1,936]

The question is are we willing to give Franson over 5 million / year? That is what the Leafs offered him and he turned it down.

It was under $5 million... for an undisclosed term... but if you were Franson would you sign with the Leafs?

He says he wants to stay with them, but players say that ALL OF THE TIME.

He's saying the right things because he's supposed to and that's what guys like him say.

I don't think there's a chance in hell he gets traded here for only a second rounder. I just hope that the info. I dug up earlier is bunk.

Either that or someone ponys up that 2nd round pick (or more) and then he signs elsewhere in the off-season. (Here.)

[kipwinger 8,521]

JVR too, please!

We should get Dave Dombrowski to teach Kenny how to trade rape other teams. He's magic at trading guys.

"Hey, we want Dontrell Willis, but if you'll throw in that Cabrera guy we'll give you an extra good prospect!"

"Hey, we want Cody Franson, but if you'll throw in that Van Riemsdyk character we'll give you and extra good prospect!"

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Even if they are rebuilding leafs need to keep some pieces and I guess jvr will be their next captain.

Just looked Franson up on elite prospects that guy is a big rugged defender could be the much needed combination of a physical shutdown defender who also provides offense. In that case a second would be a steal.

And it would show kronwall to become kronwalleder again.

The more I think about it the more I like that trade but why would Nonis trade him to a rival? Guess. Leafs will send him to the west

[LeftWinger 4,951]

Holland will dump Kindl and Quincey and another roster player in some sort of deal and he will acquire Green and Petry as well....whether or not the trades are related, packaged, three team deals, he will dump some picks and prospects along with K and Q. Not saying K and Q plus picks and prospects for Green and Petry, but on March 2nd you will see Q and K gone somewhere, some picks gone somewhere and some prospects gone somewhere and a name roster player gone as well. Green and Petry will be Red Wings that day...I hate to see the prospects/roster player that will be traded, but it will happen....The Cristal Flute has spoken!

Edited February 3, 2015 by LeftWinger

[krsmith17 7,191]

... and then he woke up...

[number9 3,297]

Holland will dump Kindl and Quincey and another roster player in some sort of deal and he will acquire Green and Petry as well....whether or not the trades are related, packaged, three team deals, he will dump some picks and prospects along with K and Q. Not saying K and Q plus picks and prospects for Green and Petry, but on March 2nd you will see Q and K gone somewhere, some picks gone somewhere and some prospects gone somewhere and a name roster player gone as well. Green and Petry will be Red Wings that day...I hate to see the prospects/roster player that will be traded, but it will happen....The Cristal Flute has spoken!

Come now, this is Holland we're talking about. He's probably not going to make any trades, and certainly none that please you.

We like our team

[kipwinger 8,521]

I want Holland to trade for only people I like, and only trade away guys I don't. Is that too much to ask?

[joesuffP 1,746]

Of my desireables... Yandle>>>Franson>Green>>Meyers