Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Is Franson a lazy floater by any chance?

[robb himself 143]

Cant....resist....temptation....

Franzen for Franson?

[joesuffP 1,746]

Their offense may be down but Toronto is a free wheeling team.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Their offense may be down but Toronto is a free wheeling team.

Ok? Why would their free wheelingness be used as an excuse for why Franson scores, but overlooked when it becomes clear that nobody else on their team scores much? If their freewheeling offense inflates his numbers, why doesn't it inflate anybody else's?

I'm not sure why everybody is trying to hard to make the guy out to be worse than he is. He was a good offensive player with Nashville (a non freewheeling team) and he's a good offensive player with Toronto. AND, not surprisingly, he's getting better with age.

There are probably some reasons not to like his game, but suggesting he's not good offensively isn't one of them.

[number9 3,297]

Ok? Why would their free wheelingness be used as an excuse for why Franson scores, but overlooked when it becomes clear that nobody else on their team scores much? If their freewheeling offense inflates his numbers, why doesn't it inflate anybody else's?

I'm not sure why everybody is trying to hard to make the guy out to be worse than he is. He was a good offensive player with Nashville (a non freewheeling team) and he's a good offensive player with Toronto. AND, not surprisingly, he's getting better with age.

There are probably some reasons not to like his game, but suggesting he's not good offensively isn't one of them.

Everyone is just used to over-bashing guys named Franzon

[kipwinger 8,522]

Everyone is just used to over-bashing guys named Franzon

Good point. f*** this guy. He sucks.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Raise your hand if you've watched a lot of Leafs / Predators games since Franson has entered the league, and followed his individual play very closely...

People that don't think Franson will be worth it or won't fit in here, clearly are unaware of the type of game this guy plays... I've said it before and I'll say it again, Cody Franson is exactly the type of defenseman this team needs. Him alone would make us an instant threat come playoff time. He is worth the "asking price" as a rental, and he would be worth re-signing after this season. So what, if we have to give up one of our defense prospects to fit him in here long term, he'd be worth it...

[joesuffP 1,746]

Ok? Why would their free wheelingness be used as an excuse for why Franson scores, but overlooked when it becomes clear that nobody else on their team scores much? If their freewheeling offense inflates his numbers, why doesn't it inflate anybody else's?

I'm not sure why everybody is trying to hard to make the guy out to be worse than he is. He was a good offensive player with Nashville (a non freewheeling team) and he's a good offensive player with Toronto. AND, not surprisingly, he's getting better with age.

There are probably some reasons not to like his game, but suggesting he's not good offensively isn't one of them.

Hes just not a guy I want to be tied up to for 6-7 years. I'm sure he'll help us out but there are better options. No point in trading for him at the deadline. If he signed here I would be happy but I'd much rather trade for Yandle whose a model of consistency and gives us a lot of options with his great contract

[LeftWinger 4,953]

Would you trade Smith for Franson?

[joesuffP 1,746]

No way Holland gives up more than a 2nd for Franson anyways. It's just not a smart move any way you look at it. We give up assets to get them here for a rental and then HOPEFULLY we can rush out and give them a huge contract

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

He plays on their second pair and runs their second power play. The EXACT same things he'd do here. I'm not sure what you think he does for them/what you think he'd be doing for us?

If I'm following you correctly, you're suggesting that Cody Franson's points MAY be inflated because he gets powerplay time and plays with an offensively gifted player (Kessel). That's reasonable. But then it stands to reason that if powerplays and better offense inflate stats, his number would be better in Detroit...since we've got a better powerplay, better team offense, and a (currently) better individual goal scorer than Kessel.

Is franson a first pairing nhl defensemen?? I think the fact that you mentioned above he's a 2nd pairing dman and would do the same here that you agree with me that no he is not

Should 2nd pairing defensemen be getting 5-6yr deals for 5.5 per ? For me it's an obvious no which means no thanks to franson longterm

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

Is franson a first pairing nhl defensemen?? I think the fact that you mentioned above he's a 2nd pairing dman and would do the same here that you agree with me that no he is not

Should 2nd pairing defensemen be getting 5-6yr deals for 5.5 per ? For me it's an obvious no which means no thanks to franson longterm

Umm... kronwall was a 2nd pairing dman when he got his current front loaded long term deal with a much smaller cap. So 5.5 per for a 2nd pair guy now seams pretty par for the course. Or is it that were the wings so everyone should be paid way less to play here?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Raise your hand if you've watched a lot of Leafs / Predators games since Franson has entered the league, and followed his individual play very closely...

People that don't think Franson will be worth it or won't fit in here, clearly are unaware of the type of game this guy plays... I've said it before and I'll say it again, Cody Franson is exactly the type of defenseman this team needs. Him alone would make us an instant threat come playoff time. He is worth the "asking price" as a rental, and he would be worth re-signing after this season. So what, if we have to give up one of our defense prospects to fit him in here long term, he'd be worth it...

You expect us to believe you watched a ton of Nashville games? Your from canada as am I so I assume you've watched leafs games occasionally on Saturday night hockey and on sportsnet etc... During the week , although like myself I highly doubt you watched every single leafs game

He's not worth signing for 6 yrs ... Rental yes ... Longterm No thank you

Umm... kronwall was a 2nd pairing dman when he got his current front loaded long term deal with a much smaller cap. So 5.5 per for a 2nd pair guy now seams pretty par for the course. Or is it that were the wings so everyone should be paid way less to play here?

2nd pairing cause we wanted to split kronwall and lidstrom to give us better balance I would say and kronwall was a first rounder , gold medalist and cup winner , learned a lot from lidstrom ... I think it's fair to say he accomplished more than franson has when they were both the same age Edited February 4, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture

[e_prime 1,936]

You expect us to believe you watched a ton of Nashville games? Your from canada as am I so I assume you've watched leafs games occasionally on Saturday night hockey and on sportsnet etc... During the week , although like myself I highly doubt you watched every single leafs game

Woah, whoa, whoa slowdown there man... who are you to call someone out on their viewing habits? Maybe if you paid attention you'd see that krsmith17 has readily admitted that he watches a TON of Leafs games because his GF is a Toronto fan. Now, in my book, that's a tough thing to admit... so the fact that he has should be worth it's weight in gold (or at least bitcoin) for internet credibility. On top of that, you don't have to watch EVERYSINGLELEAFSGAME to get a good sampling of what Franson is and is not. He didn't say he's watched "every individual play" he said, "followed his individual play closely" which means, he's scouted the guy. He's on good basis with his abilities, his positives, his shortcomings, etc. Reading fully, and maybe more than once helps with formulating clarity in your posts, responses, etc.

[krsmith17 7,191]

nyquististhefuture, give me a ******* break... I've followed Franson since he entered the league. I watched every game he played against the Wings when he played those couple years in Nashville and I could tell just from those handful of games that this 22-23 year old kid was going to be a big time player in this league. I remember when he got traded to Toronto, my buddy (who is a die hard Leafs fan) knew very little about this Cody Franson guy, and I told him that Burke just robbed Polie on this trade. Franson is going to be an awesome player in this league. Since he has been traded to Toronto, I have watched a TON of Leafs games. Who are you to say, I only watch Saturday night games or whatever? My girlfriend is a big time Leafs fan, and she watches most of their games, so therefore I'm stuck watching them, when the Wings aren't playing, not to mention every one of my buddies are huge Leafs fans, so I'm always hearing it from them as well.

You can hate on Franson all you want, I could really care less, but he would absolutely be worth the rumored asking price. Name 6 defenseman on our current team or out of our prospects that are better than Franson... There obviously aren't, but yet you don't want him... Because?...

[number9 3,297]

Even if you don't like him, he's beyond a steal for the current asking price.

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

First pair dmen go for 7+ million now. So I don't understand how 5.5 is too much for a second pair guy? Now I would much prefer Mike green, but I'll take franson if that's what has to happen

[barabbas16 499]

Raise your hand if you've watched a lot of Leafs / Predators games since Franson has entered the league, and followed his individual play very closely...

People that don't think Franson will be worth it or won't fit in here, clearly are unaware of the type of game this guy plays... I've said it before and I'll say it again, Cody Franson is exactly the type of defenseman this team needs. Him alone would make us an instant threat come playoff time. He is worth the "asking price" as a rental, and he would be worth re-signing after this season. So what, if we have to give up one of our defense prospects to fit him in here long term, he'd be worth it...

He's a RH shot, which Detroit needs. He puts up points from the back end, something else Detroit is looking for. He clearly seems to be a top 4 caliber guy in general. He's big enough not to get pushed around. He shouldn't cost anywhere near what a guy like Yandle would. And, he's not injury prone like Green.

Is it only the unknown about his future contract that is turning people off?.... because he seems to check a lot of boxes.

[LeftWinger 4,953]

KRSmith, again, would you give up Smith for Franson? You seem to know a ton about him (and I am not disputing that at all) and you think he is better than all 6 of our starters, then why not offer up Smith to guarantee we land him?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Woah, whoa, whoa slowdown there man... who are you to call someone out on their viewing habits? Maybe if you paid attention you'd see that krsmith17 has readily admitted that he watches a TON of Leafs games because his GF is a Toronto fan. Now, in my book, that's a tough thing to admit... so the fact that he has should be worth it's weight in gold (or at least bitcoin) for internet credibility. On top of that, you don't have to watch EVERYSINGLELEAFSGAME to get a good sampling of what Franson is and is not. He didn't say he's watched "every individual play" he said, "followed his individual play closely" which means, he's scouted the guy. He's on good basis with his abilities, his positives, his shortcomings, etc. Reading fully, and maybe more than once helps with formulating clarity in your posts, responses, etc.

To be fair I did say he watched occasion leafs games being that he's from canada like myself ... Kinda hard to believe he watched every Nashville game is what I said

Now as for franson or any other player you don't have to be an expert and follow every single game to more or less know what a player brings ... As for franson big body, right handed shot .. Help on the power play , can log in 20 minutes of ice time

That being said I don't think he's worth locking up at longterm at 5+ Per ... That is MY opinion ... And if he was so good you'd think the leafs would sign him up at that price as that team is a disaster and needs to keep it's best assets

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

nyquististhefuture, give me af****** break... I've followed Franson since he entered the league. I watched every game he played against the Wings when he played those couple years in Nashville and I could tell just from those handful of games that this 22-23 year old kid was going to be a big time player in this league. I remember when he got traded to Toronto, my buddy (who is a die hard Leafs fan) knew very little about this Cody Franson guy, and I told him that Burke just robbed Polie on this trade. Franson is going to be an awesome player in this league. Since he has been traded to Toronto, I have watched a TON of Leafs games. Who are you to say, I only watch Saturday night games or whatever? My girlfriend is a big time Leafs fan, and she watches most of their games, so therefore I'm stuck watching them, when the Wings aren't playing, not to mention every one of my buddies are huge Leafs fans, so I'm always hearing it from them as well.

You can hate on Franson all you want, I could really care less, but he would absolutely be worth the rumored asking price. Name 6 defenseman on our current team or out of our prospects that are better than Franson... There obviously aren't, but yet you don't want him... Because?...

I don't hate on franson ... I'm just giving my opinion ... I said I'd take him as a rental but not longterm at the price he wants ... Not worth to me

Just because he's better than a kindl doesn't mean he's worth that price ... There's other trade options for dmen and if not then why not wait for a real number 1 to become available(or make him available with a big trade)

And we have some very promising dmen coming up , what's the point of drafting them? There going to have to play ... Realistically Kronwall Ericsson dekeyser aren't going anywhere and most likely smith

We got Quincey one more year at least and ouellet ... Sproul isn't gonna come to detroit in 2years to be a number 7

Now if get a legitimate 1st pairing I'm sure things will change but that's how I see it for now

First pair dmen go for 7+ million now. So I don't understand how 5.5 is too much for a second pair guy? Now I would much prefer Mike green, but I'll take franson if that's what has to happen

I don't think he's worth that much at the 5-6 years it would take to sign him ...

KRSmith, again, would you give up Smith for Franson? You seem to know a ton about him (and I am not disputing that at all) and you think he is better than all 6 of our starters, then why not offer up Smith to guarantee we land him?

No way we give up smith for a rental

Edited February 5, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

I don't think Kenny's going to do anything.

[number9 3,297]

OK, I'll be entirely honest and say Franson is better than Green, Yandle, and Myers.

Green: Injury history plus there's a reason he's regulated to the third pairing by the caps under a defensive minded coach (much like ours).

Yandle: Lefty and will still command a hefty trade return.

Myers: Sucks

Franson: Righty physical puck mover, exactly what we've been missing, and the asking price is cheap.

Or does the name Franzon cut to close to home for some of you?

[LeftWinger 4,953]

Honestly if Franson did get traded here and then signed long term, I could pretend that it was the same Franson the entire time and pretend the horrible Choice never happened. He would for sure make me forget about the other guy...

[number9 3,297]

Honestly if Franson did get traded here and then signed long term, I could pretend that it was the same Franson the entire time and pretend the horrible Choice never happened. He would for sure make me forget about the other guy...

Right? Those 22 points are worthless IMO. I hope his concussion makes him never play the game he's become pro worthy at ever again.