Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[LeftWinger 4,949]

Without looking over the last few pages, it is rumored that TO wants a 1st rounder for Franson. Does anyone think Holland would do it? I believe that we have enough up and coming talent that we could afford to miss one 1st round at the chance to make our team immediately better, thoughts?

[kipwinger 8,520]

Without looking over the last few pages, it is rumored that TO wants a 1st rounder for Franson. Does anyone think Holland would do it? I believe that we have enough up and coming talent that we could afford to miss one 1st round at the chance to make our team immediately better, thoughts?

Where'd you see this rumor? Got a link?

[rick zombo 3,739]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want Holland to make a move just for the sake of making a move. But, at the same time, I'm really, really, really, really, really tired of "We kicked some tires, but the price wasn't right. I talked to every single GM about every single one of his top-four defensemen and in each and every case the asking price was Nyquist + Tatar + Mantha + Larkin + Datsyuk + Zetterberg + Jurco + Kronwall + a first-round pick + my first-born child. So, my hands are tied. But, y'know, we like our team. We think we've got real good depth, some real good young players. A guy like Marchenko, he's been real good for the Griffins, scored a goal the other night."

AAAAARRRRGGGHHHHH

Except sometimes it seems like you really do.

[Dabura 12,207]

We can haz Matt Beleskey?

[joesuffP 1,746]

Ppl still don't understand how buyouts work?

[dirtydangles 1,328]

How the hell do people think Franson is going to fetch one of our better developed prospects? He is a UFA on a team with no room for him - that pushes his value down. I'd give up a 2nd and Ferraro for the guy.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

Nevermind, the rumor originated from the @HockeyInsiderr twitter account...

I still think we could move our 1st rounder for one year for something we need now and not endanger our future with all the talent we have developing. I think it would be worth the risk. Even if Franson left. Although, he would see that once you come here, and the money is available, there is no real reason to leave...

Edited February 5, 2015 by LeftWinger

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Nevermind, the rumor originated from the @HockeyInsiderr twitter account...

I still think we could move our 1st rounder for one year for something we need now and not endanger our future with all the talent we have developing. I think it would be worth the risk. Even if Franson left. Although, he would see that once you come here, and the money is available, there is no real reason to leave...

As much as I've come along on the Franson thing I would not trade a first rounder for an upcoming UFA, unless it's someone of an even higher calibre and that guy is not available. Franson is from BC so I could easily see him signing with the Canucks come the off-season. A second and a B level prospect might be worth it because the benefits would be a.) ~ 2 months of exclusively negotations and b.) being able to offer him 8 instead of 7 years ( = more money).

He has the size to bring back Kronwalled although it would be Franson(ed) but either way a nice addition.

[e_prime 1,936]

You mean the conference that Detroit is like 10-1-2 against so far this season? Is that the 'tougher' conference of which you speak?

Note: I said "tougher" conference, because talking-heads always say the Western Conference is the "tougher" conference.

It's their quotes. Not mine.

[BadgerBob 297]

I don't see how Franson isn't worth $5M/year. That's not much more than what Quincey got...

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Me likey... http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=66148

“I think what you always do (have to remember) is it’s called trade,” Babcock said. “It’s not Christmas, it’s trade, so you’ve got to give something to get something. What my job is and what Blash’s (AHL Grand Rapids coach Jeff Blashill) job is, is to develop players so we create as many assets as we can. Sometimes you end up with too many guys for one spot and you can make a move to make your team better. The general manager’s job is to weigh the current cost vs. the current gain vs. the future damage. That’s the decision time for every team in the league, not just for (GM) Ken (Holland) and myself.”

Not the whole window closing thing, but you know... the mentality of wanting to make a move.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

Franson turned down $5.5M(I believe) from TO, although I think that maybe that was just a kind way of saying he wants out! I can see him getting $6Mish somewhere. Could it be here? Stay tuned!

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Franson turned down $5.5M(I believe) from TO, although I think that maybe that was just a kind way of saying he wants out! I can see him getting $6Mish somewhere. Could it be here? Stay tuned!

It was 4.6, apparently.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/headlines-franson-maple-leafs-cant-agree/

Edited February 5, 2015 by Jesusberg

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Franson turned down $5.5M(I believe) from TO, although I think that maybe that was just a kind way of saying he wants out! I can see him getting $6Mish somewhere. Could it be here? Stay tuned!

That's wrong he turned down 4,65 over 5 years he would have been stupid to accept that, knowing he can get much more on the open market and play in a non 24/7 media scrutiny market.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

I also like that quote. Which is why initially when we heard that TO wanted a 2nd and a NHL ready prospect, I was thinking our 2nd and Marchenko. But that may be a bit overpayment for a rental. Not that I don't think Cody would not re-sign here, but there are a lot of teams out there willing to throw a ton of money at players! Then we would be out Marchenko. Now, if we were talking a 2nd and an offensive player, I would rest a little easier losing a Ferraro, Aubry type player for a rental. But, I think there are teams out there that could offer a bit more than that.

[Buppy 1,720]

Whoever said we don't have space for a big contract is wrong. We've got $8 million in space right now. And we are relying on cheap drafted players for the future. We've got plenty of cap space moving forward.

Didn't say we don't have space, I said we're not overflowing with it.

I figure, replacing Cleary and Gustavsson with Pulkkinen and Mrazek, plus resigning our RFAs probably leaves us about $5-6 mil plus whatever cap increase. Sure it's enough to add Franson, but barring a big cap increase it doesn't leave a lot of flexibility. The following year we'd have Sheahan and Dekeyser due for big raises.

Most likely the cap will go up enough to make it possible, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. It also puts us in a spot where we either have only one spot for a prospect or we have to move Kindl.

I suppose replacing Kindl would work as well as Ericsson. But still we're talking about several years of committing $20ish mil in cap to 4 defensemen, none of whom may be a legit top pair guy at that time, while also possibly needing a major overhaul of the forwards.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

Oh! $4.6M! Ok, yeah, that is way too low to stay in TO given its current affairs. Maybe $5.25-$5.5M could get it done then. We will see!

[DickieDunn 2,571]

How the hell do people think Franson is going to fetch one of our better developed prospects? He is a UFA on a team with no room for him - that pushes his value down. I'd give up a 2nd and Ferraro for the guy.

Because someone else would give at least that much for him

[barabbas16 499]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want Holland to make a move just for the sake of making a move. But, at the same time, I'm really, really, really, really, really tired of "We kicked some tires, but the price wasn't right. I talked to every single GM about every single one of his top-four defensemen and in each and every case the asking price was Nyquist + Tatar + Mantha + Larkin + Datsyuk + Zetterberg + Jurco + Kronwall + a first-round pick + my first-born child. So, my hands are tied. But, y'know, we like our team. We think we've got real good depth, some real good young players. A guy like Marchenko, he's been real good for the Griffins, scored a goal the other night."

AAAAARRRRGGGHHHHH

Oh, I was going with the 'why not' from a Nashville perspective, not Detroit. I felt like Nashville sort of went 'all in' in 2012 and lost.... kind of like Pittsburgh in 2013. So, it is possible that they would still feel the sting of that failure and be more hesitant to pull the trigger on deals. I'm hoping that is the case since I'd prefer Detroit to end up with Franson, although I'm sure Toronto would much rather trade him to Nashville.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Oh, I was going with the 'why not' from a Nashville perspective, not Detroit. I felt like Nashville sort of went 'all in' in 2012 and lost.... kind of like Pittsburgh in 2013. So, it is possible that they would still feel the sting of that failure and be more hesitant to pull the trigger on deals. I'm hoping that is the case since I'd prefer Detroit to end up with Franson, although I'm sure Toronto would much rather trade him to Nashville.

Nonis opted to stay in Nashville and watch their game today so the basics for a trade might be already in place. Pittsburgh at some point needs to develop some prospects because Crosby, Malkin soon will get up their in age.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Some talk of Franson to Detroit right here

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/five-potential-trade-destinations-for-cody-franson/

I might be OK with Ouellet going to Toronto. But I'd have a hard time swallowing a deal that included any of the other four players listed.

a hell no to letting any of those go ... Maybe pulkkinen in a big trade for say a larsson .. Wouldn't give ip on ouellet

What defenseman, in your opinion, is worth a 5 year 5.5 million dollar contract? I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from here.

Well that's a specific contract , I'll say the the ones deserving of big money and long contracts are the obvious ones doughty pietrangelo Keith Subban karlsson etc..

LA? Seriously?

The one team with 5 players with salaries of 7 million or higher next year and another two at 6 million.

Yeah that's going to work great for them.

Mike richards? The one thing toronto is in serious need of is leadership .. Is richards severely over paid? Hell yes but Phaneuf keeps getting absurd by the media and picked on all the time by nhl players so much so it's become a joke

Maybe a richards + pick or mid prospect for Phaneuf I don't know ... I do know any deals involving those 2 would be done in the off season and not trade deadline

Without looking over the last few pages, it is rumored that TO wants a 1st rounder for Franson. Does anyone think Holland would do it? I believe that we have enough up and coming talent that we could afford to miss one 1st round at the chance to make our team immediately better, thoughts?

No thanks ... And I don't think holland is interested in giving up a first round pick ... I know they say this allot but I do believe it's a deep draft and we already don't have our 3rd rounder Edited February 5, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture

[number9 3,297]

LOL Nash originally traded Franson, along with 3rd liner Matt Lombardi, to TOR for Lebda and Robert Slaney (never played one NHL game).

Leafs did something right for once

[kipwinger 8,520]

a hell no to letting any of those go ... Maybe pulkkinen in a big trade for say a larsson .. Wouldn't give ip on ouellet

Well that's a specific contract , I'll say the the ones deserving of big money and long contracts are the obvious ones doughty pietrangelo Keith Subban karlsson etc..

Mike richards? The one thing toronto is in serious need of is leadership .. Is richards severely over paid? Hell yes but Phaneuf keeps getting absurd by the media and picked on all the time by nhl players so much so it's become a joke

Maybe a richards + pick or mid prospect for Phaneuf I don't know ... I do know any deals involving those 2 would be done in the off season and not trade deadline

No thanks ... And I don't think holland is interested in giving up a first round pick ... I know they say this allot but I do believe it's a deep draft and we already don't have our 3rd rounder

I suppose that's why we differ. I don't consider 5.5 million a year "big money". Premier defensemen make quite a lot more than that.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I also like that quote. Which is why initially when we heard that TO wanted a 2nd and a NHL ready prospect, I was thinking our 2nd and Marchenko. But that may be a bit overpayment for a rental. Not that I don't think Cody would not re-sign here, but there are a lot of teams out there willing to throw a ton of money at players! Then we would be out Marchenko. Now, if we were talking a 2nd and an offensive player, I would rest a little easier losing a Ferraro, Aubry type player for a rental. But, I think there are teams out there that could offer a bit more than that.

Ferraro was on waivers I doubt they'd want him ... If it's a mid level prospect it would have to someone like frk who's unfortunetly seriously disappointed thus far but still young

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I suppose that's why we differ. I don't consider 5.5 million a year "big money". Premier defensemen make quite a lot more than that.

Well I can't tell you who exactly is making 5 mill per for 5+ yrs (rip capgeek) I do know the ones deserving big money are the ones I mentioned and obviously more guys who make what? 6-8? Don't think it's that much more than the 5.5 you mentioned

For me personally Keith Subban doughty weber pietrangelo type guys I mentioned should make what ? 6.5-8 per

Seabrook and yandle and McDonagh types maybe 5-5.5 ... Although in a few yrs McDonagh will be elite

Edited February 5, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture