Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[amato 3,210]

Mauling the American league. I think the scientific term for what Pulkkinen is doing is "mauling". Nyquist never produced like that in the AHL. Neither did Tatar. 50 points in 39 games. Yikes.

(Slightly) More than half are goals too

Gotta think he'll be up with the big club next year.

Pulkkinen is the best player not in the NHL right now (aside from Kovalchuk).

But yeah he's 2nd tier at best...

Just a few more seasons until the wings can sign kovy

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Mike richards? The one thing toronto is in serious need of is leadership .. Is richards severely over paid? Hell yes but Phaneuf keeps getting absurd by the media and picked on all the time by nhl players so much so it's become a joke

Maybe a richards + pick or mid prospect for Phaneuf I don't know ... I do know any deals involving those 2 would be done in the off season and not trade deadline

Ok...but did you forget what the conversation was even about??

You mentioned it would be easy for Toronto to trade Phaneuf in the off-season and get rid of his salary so they could tie up other important pieces. aka Franson.

This is what you said...

If he's as good as you think he is they do anything to keep him and trade say a Phaneuf in the off season.

Easy ? Nope but I think LA could be a team that would take him in a heart beat especially if voynov is no more

Taking on Richards doesn't help that...It just adds another bloated contract. Which doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

The ducks are going to get myers

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

I really feel if they can add Franson then we have a real shot at the cup this year. Teams pretty darn good but he'd be like the Brad Stuart of 2015. Team was very good then added Stewie and never looked back. Get it done

That 2008 team was a lot better than this team to begin with. In fact, the rosters aren't even comparable in any way, shape or form. We'll need more than Franson to have a real shot at the Cup, as you put it.

[UpstateNYRedWingsFan 42]

Speaking of Phaneuf this is funny to read. The most "homer" article of all time.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2012/01/12/feschuk_nhlers_who_labelled_phaneuf_overrated_green_with_envy.html

[kipwinger 8,521]

That 2008 team was a lot better than this team to begin with. In fact, the rosters aren't even comparable in any way, shape or form. We'll need more than Franson to have a real shot at the Cup, as you put it.

I think our forwards are better now. But the defense is significantly worse...upgrading it would be the point of making trades I'd think.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Just read the latest Myers to Anaheim rumor and it seems like Buffal is asking for Gibson, one of Vatanen/Lindholm + a first. I'm a fan of Myers and still think he could turn into Chara light but if I'm Andy Murray that's way too steep.

I think Dickie nailed the tier prospects pretty well another important point are the other GMs. I think we can all agree that most GMs would be asking at at first for one of Mantha, Larkin so they are top tier then they'll ask for Mrazek, maybe! XO, Sproul and then there are guys like Pulkinnen, Athansius, Marchenko...

I thought at the time that the Rafalski retirement - comparable to the Holmer one - went a bit under the radar because everyone was concerned with how many years Lidas still has left. That Feschuk article is 3 almost 2,5 years old I personally think Phaneuf is asked to play way over his capabilities in Toronto and gets scrutinized alongside Kessel for everything that's wrong...maybe they can blame both for Hurrican Barbara too..

Edited February 6, 2015 by frankgrimes

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Just read the latest Myers to Anaheim rumor and it seems like Buffal is asking for Gibson, one of Vatanen/Lindholm + a first. I'm a fan of Myers and still think he could turn into Chara light but if I'm Andy Murray that's way too steep.

I think Dickie nailed the tier prospects pretty well another important point are the other GMs. I think we can all agree that most GMs would be asking at at first for one of Mantha, Larkin so they are top tier then they'll ask for Mrazek, maybe! XO, Sproul and then there are guys like Pulkinnen, Athansius, Marchenko...

I thought at the time that the Rafalski retirement - comparable to the Holmer one - went a bit under the radar because everyone was concerned with how many years Lidas still has left. That Feschuk article is 3 almost 2,5 years old I personally think Phaneuf is asked to play way over his capabilities in Toronto and gets scrutinized alongside Kessel for everything that's wrong...maybe they can blame both for Hurrican Barbara too..

Do you have a link?

Because there's a big difference between an Eklund rumour and a Bob McKenzie rumour....

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Do you have a link?

Because there's a big difference between an Eklund rumour and a Bob McKenzie rumour....

Lavoiy Renaud reported it, didn't know who that guy is but seems to be a good source.

Ducks would be stupid to give up that much, someone like Etem + 1 + a b level prospect would make more sense.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Lavoiy Renaud reported it, didn't know who that guy is but seems to be a good source.

Ducks would be stupid to give up that much, someone like Etem + 1 + a b level prospect would make more sense.

Nope he didn't Frank. He said this...

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva

Talks intensified between Ducks and Sabres on Tyler Myers. Other teams have interest in Myers. Can he be traded ? Its a real possibility.

Unless you're referring to the random poster on HFBoards who said this...

IF myers is moved, Ducks fans won't be happy at the price. It's going to be steeeeeeeep

Probably starts with Gibson and one of Lindolm/Vantanen and a 2015 1st.

...and then proceeded to get laughed off the boards. (even by Sabres fans)

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Nope he didn't Frank. He said this...

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva

Talks intensified between Ducks and Sabres on Tyler Myers. Other teams have interest in Myers. Can he be traded ? Its a real possibility.

Unless you're referring to the random poster on HFBoards who said this...

...and then proceeded to get laughed off the boards. (even by Sabres fans)

Got ya, I got it mixed up then.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Frk and Ehn really have like, like, like no value. How did you manage to come up with this group of players lol?

Someone was talking about Callahan and/or Ferraro being dealt and I said if we gave up a mid prospect it would be someone like those 2 who are younger Callahan and Ferraro with still some upside

[amato 3,210]

Speaking of Phaneuf this is funny to read. The most "homer" article of all time.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2012/01/12/feschuk_nhlers_who_labelled_phaneuf_overrated_green_with_envy.html

Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

nyquististhefuture, I still don't get it, I have no idea you're logic on this one. Please explain why you wouldn't want a player like Franson (who is the EXACT type of defenseman this team needs) long term... Is it because of the contract he would likely get? Even at $5.5M for 5-6 years, that is very fair value. He would clearly be one of the top defenders on this team, the moment he came here. Is it because you don't want to bury our promising prospects? Which one of them is even remotely close to being as good as Franson is right now? Not a single one. The only one that even projects to be as good, is Sproul, and he's a long ways away yet. We would have to give up very little to get him here, but a 2nd and a mid-level prospect would be well worth it... I just can't understand how you (and I'm pretty sure you're the only one) wouldn't want Franson on this team... Makes zero sense to me...

Yes I wouldn't wanna give him the contract it would require to get him that's all ... Were gonna have to agree to disagree on that

I will say I think if we gave smith more ppl time he'd get more pts and yes i see sproul being able to put up numbers on the ppl in the future , I also like ouellets future and I'm not counting out backman yet on being on this team(still only 22)

[rick zombo 3,739]

Yandle: Larkin + Ouellet + 1st

I have no doubt that would get the deal done. The Wings would eb getting a "can't miss" top 5 offensive D man with zero durabilty issues in the prime of his career with an amazing cap hit.

Would you do it? I think I would.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Yandle: Larkin + Ouellet + 1st

I have no doubt that would get the deal done. The Wings would eb getting a "can't miss" top 5 offensive D man with zero durabilty issues in the prime of his career with an amazing cap hit.

Would you do it? I think I would.

No way Jose.

Mainly because Larkin+ anything is alot to give up (in my opinion) for a guy who's contract is expiring after next year.

That's more than I'd be willing to risk.

[rick zombo 3,739]

No way Jose.

Mainly because Larkin+ anything is alot to give up (in my opinion) for a guy who's contract is expiring after next year.

That's more than I'd be willing to risk.

Yeah I know, but you'd be getting two playoff runs with Yandle + Datsyuk + Zetterberg + Kronwall

I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions.

[kipwinger 8,521]

I've finalized my list of preferred trade deadline acquisitions, and I don't think either would be expensive or unrealistic. I want Cody Franson and Drew Stafford. With those two pieces, we win the Stanley Cup.

[Bannedforlife 403]

I've finalized my list of preferred trade deadline acquisitions, and I don't think either would be expensive or unrealistic. I want Cody Franson and Drew Stafford. With those two pieces, we win the Stanley Cup.

What do you think it would take to get them?

[number9 3,297]

Someone was talking about Callahan and/or Ferraro being dealt and I said if we gave up a mid prospect it would be someone like those 2 who are younger Callahan and Ferraro with still some upside

No, this is what you said:

You MIght be right about the waivers but I don't see them being interested in them

It'll have to be at least someone like frk jensen turgeon ehn ... Someone in the middle of the pact with some potential

Jensen: 24. Has already played 2 seasons in GR. Won best D-man awards in college. Is pretty high on the depth chart.

Frk: 21. Plays in the ECHL. Pretty much a complete bust as a prospect so far.

Turgeon: 18. Just drafted. Plays in juniors.

Ehn: 18. Just drafted. Plays in Sweden.

It's like you put the names of all our prospects on a wall and threw 4 darts to select them. Besides Turgeon and Ehn that group has absolutely nothing in common.

If you're going to comment on prospects, you should probably know a little bit about them.

[greenrebellion 415]

I've finalized my list of preferred trade deadline acquisitions, and I don't think either would be expensive or unrealistic. I want Cody Franson and Drew Stafford. With those two pieces, we win the Stanley Cup.

What does Stafford add to the lineup? Doesn't seem like a big upgrade. Also not sure if there is enough playing time to go around once Franzen is back.

[matthewdanna 143]

I think the price will be too high to a get a player that will actually make us better in the short term.

I like our team as is... well, I would like Nick to come out of retirement for the playoffs.

[joesuffP 1,746]

I think Yandle can be had for something like Helm+Smith+1st maybe replace Helm with Sheahan

[kipwinger 8,521]

What does Stafford add to the lineup? Doesn't seem like a big upgrade. Also not sure if there is enough playing time to go around once Franzen is back.

He plays exactly like Abby does and would be an upgrade over Helm on a line with Pav and Tatar. Plus, he's big and plays a physically strong game. Helm, while a hard worker, isn't big and strong, and I'm afraid in the playoffs that line will get pushed to the perimeter and neutralized because they don't have a banger out there with Pav and Tats. I'd do this...

Tats-Pav-Stafford

Gus-Z-Abby

Weiss-Sheahan-Helm

Jurco-Glendening-Miller

Lean and mean baby.

[rick zombo 3,739]

I think Yandle can be had for something like Helm+Smith+1st maybe replace Helm with Sheahan

I'd rather give up prospects/picks than any player off the current roster. Although I'd be OK with losing Smith. But not Helm.

I'd also rather trade Larkin than Sheahan. But I'm very high on Sheahan and Larkin is four years away from being a Wing.