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Why is everyone so willing to overpay for Yandle? I don't get it. It's not going to happen and for good reason...

I don't think it's going to happen either, and I'm fine with not getting him. But you consistently downplay how good he is. Keith Yandle is really, really, good. For exmaple, he currently leads the league in assists from a defenseman, with 32. You don't think that would help our struggling transition game considerably?

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The only word I've seen associated with Stafford in the past few years is Lazy.

Now I don't watch a lot of Buffalo games, so I'm no expert on the guy.

But that doesn't sound like Abby. Who knows though....

Maybe he just needs a fresh start? Buy low? Could pay off.

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Why is everyone so willing to overpay for Yandle? I don't get it. It's not going to happen and for good reason...

Why is everyone so willing to overpay for Yandle? I don't get it. It's not going to happen and for good reason...

Because a) it's probably only overpayement in the eyes of Wings fans, b) he is exactly what this team needs on the back end, c) he's available and d) Arizona probably wants to move him to the East which means Detroit has less competition compared to trying to get a guy like Franson from a butthurt original six/division rival.

We've bitched a moaned about adding an offensive, puck-moving D-man for three ******* years now. Illitch landed a jet in Suter's back yard and Chelios was probably flying the thing. Now we have the guy we need and he's available. Holland has done (mostly well) hanging on to picks and the organization has done a great job of drafting and devoping. They have a s***-ton of prosepects. Good prospects. Make a damn trade now. Take a stab at a couple of post-season runs while Zetterberg, Pavel, and Kronwall are still good players and are healthy.

How hard is it to get behind this? Or are you mad because I said I might be OK moving Smith? :lol:

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Never have I downplayed how good Yandle is. He's absolutely the top defender that could potentially be moved at the deadline. But whoever lands him (won't be us) is going to significantly overpay. It's not worth it long term in my opinion. And although he is the top guy, I don't think he's the best fit for us. I would take both Franson or to a lesser extent Green over Yandle... cost vs long term expense.

Franson is without a doubt our best option. But even him, only if he can be had for relatively cheap.

I disagree zombo. Yandle is not our best option. If we're making a trade it should be for Franson. Anyway, matter of opinion. Let's see how it plays out. A.K.A. We probably make no moves...

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Never have I downplayed how good Yandle is. He's absolutely the top defender that could potentially be moved at the deadline. But whoever lands him (won't be us) is going to significantly overpay. It's not worth it long term in my opinion. And although he is the top guy, I don't think he's the best fit for us. I would take both Franson or to a lesser extent Green over Yandle... cost vs long term expense.

Franson is without a doubt our best option. But even him, only if he can be had for relatively cheap.

Franson is inferior to Yandle. Franson is a rental. Franson has suitors in the West the Leafs would probably rather trade with. Rset assured, if Anaheim or Nashville are offering a 2nd +, Detroit will have to offer a 1st +. So if you want to talk about overpayment, then Franson's your guy.

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The only word I've seen associated with Stafford in the past few years is Lazy.

Now I don't watch a lot of Buffalo games, so I'm no expert on the guy.

But that doesn't sound like Abby. Who knows though....

Maybe he just needs a fresh start? Buy low? Could pay off.

Over the years I've watched him pretty regularly. Previously, I had a roommate from Buffalo for several years and watched most games with him. I was always impressed by Stafford's willingness to play in the dirty areas and his ability to physically stand up to bigger, tougher, players. Because I was familiar with him, once I heard he was on the block I began to pay attention to him again and my opinion hasn't changed. He's got Helm/Abby levels of production this year, and is the primary offensive threat on his line. As a third option (behind Pav and Tats) on a line, I think he'd excel. He's still in his prime and is definitely more offensively capable than Helm.

Nobody needs to agree or anything. I just think he'd help. Like I said, Pav's line is really good and all, but I worry that they're too one dimensional. I'd really like a guy on that line that can score in the crease. Stafford can, and wouldn't be too expensive.

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Over the years I've watched him pretty regularly. Previously, I had a roommate from Buffalo for several years and watched most games with him. I was always impressed by Stafford's willingness to play in the dirty areas and his ability to physically stand up to bigger, tougher, players. Because I was familiar with him, once I heard he was on the block I began to pay attention to him again and my opinion hasn't changed. He's got Helm/Abby levels of production this year, and is the primary offensive threat on his line. As a third option (behind Pav and Tats) on a line, I think he'd excel. He's still in his prime and is definitely more offensively capable than Helm.

Nobody needs to agree or anything. I just think he'd help. Like I said, Pav's line is really good and all, but I worry that they're too one dimensional. I'd really like a guy on that line that can score in the crease. Stafford can, and wouldn't be too expensive.

Buffalo is poop team

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Buffalo is poop team

Yeah, they're awful. I definitely think Stafford would improve his (already pretty decent) numbers if he were here. BUT, I generally don't like to use the Buffalo = Crap argument because it opens up the doors for people to do the same for Myers.

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Yeah, they're awful. I definitely think Stafford would improve his (already pretty decent) numbers if he were here. BUT, I generally don't like to use the Buffalo = Crap argument because it opens up the doors for people to do the same for Myers.

Myers

Higher standards, lower prices

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zombo, what would you expect Yandle to cost vs what Franson would cost? And by the way, while Yandle may be a better defenseman, not by much at all. If anything people are downplaying how good Franson is. He would be the best fit for us right now, and that's my opinion. And you have yours. Whatever.

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I think franson gets traded soon to nashville. Nashville and toronto gm's are meeting tonight

I heard something about colin wilson being involved ... We'll see what happens

First tier are projected top 6 forwards, top d pair, starting goalies. Larkin, Mantha, Sproul, Mrazek. Second tier are projected to be good players but there are questions and projections are more 2md/3rd line tweeners, solid second pair d, goalies who might start or might be backups. That's Pulk. Lesser prospects are projected bottom end of the roster guys like we Jensen Callahan and Ferraro, and guys who may or may not be NHL players. These guys have little value. Then there are guys like Frk and Tvrdon who have no trade value and are more or less filler for minor league rosters.

Would you say Tatar and nyquist were first tier prospects then? Don't know if anyone would say they were projected to be 30 goal scorers ... I would say pulkkinen is of the same and yet he's only 22 and leading the ahl in scoring so at the least he's a borderline first tier prospect

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zombo, what would you expect Yandle to cost vs what Franson would cost? And by the way, while Yandle may be a better defenseman, not by much at all. If anything people are downplaying how good Franson is. He would be the best fit for us right now, and that's my opinion. And you have yours. Whatever.

First off, we're all LGWs buddies here. This is all just specualtion and personal preference.

Secondly, I have never underrated Franson in any of these discussions. I don't think I'm overrating Yandle either.

Like I said, Yandle would probably cost a 1st + Larkin + a mid-level prospect . Franosn would cost less, but make no mistake, it would take a 1st for Detroit to get him over Nashville or Anahaim. Again, just speculating.

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Ok...but did you forget what the conversation was even about??

You mentioned it would be easy for Toronto to trade Phaneuf in the off-season and get rid of his salary so they could tie up other important pieces. aka Franson.

This is what you said...

Nope but your saving what 1.5? Think richards cap hit is 5.5 and Phaneuf is 7 and they'll get more when clarkson is bought out ... Point is if a team really wants to keep someone they'll do anything to do it

Taking on Richards doesn't help that...It just adds another bloated contract. Which doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Well right there is two reasons that deal will never get done. Holland is not going to give up next years first round pick and one of the most promising prospects in our system. He has already stated that several times. As for Franson going for a first, I doubt it, but if that's the price, I say no to that as well...

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No, this is what you said:

Jensen: 24. Has already played 2 seasons in GR. Won best D-man awards in college. Is pretty high on the depth chart.

Frk: 21. Plays in the ECHL. Pretty much a complete bust as a prospect so far.

Turgeon: 18. Just drafted. Plays in juniors.

Ehn: 18. Just drafted. Plays in Sweden.

It's like you put the names of all our prospects on a wall and threw 4 darts to select them. Besides Turgeon and Ehn that group has absolutely nothing in common.

If you're going to comment on prospects, you should probably know a little bit about them.

You wouldn't say jensen is middle of the pact on the redwings depth?

I see mantha larkin mrazek athanasiou ouellet sproul pulkkinen bertuzzi nastasiuk marchenko holmstrom janmark backman all ahead of jensen ... That's not middle of the pact ?

I added turgeon and ehn because like you just said they were just drafted and I think might have some value because of that cause they might still have some upside ... Would you say turgeon is a top prospect? Nope but I could see him being a 3rd liner one day

Not saying these types of guys alone will get us big names in a trade but as a throw in they

Want someone like that rather than Ferraro or Callahan who's like 24 and likely a ahl lifer

And for your information I check up on our prospects daily to see how do and watch griffins games when I can ... Detroit hockey prospects on twitter for anyone who wants to check updates everyday

Why is everyone so willing to overpay for Yandle? I don't get it. It's not going to happen and for good reason...

something we agree on

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He plays exactly like Abby does and would be an upgrade over Helm on a line with Pav and Tatar. Plus, he's big and plays a physically strong game. Helm, while a hard worker, isn't big and strong, and I'm afraid in the playoffs that line will get pushed to the perimeter and neutralized because they don't have a banger out there with Pav and Tats. I'd do this...

Tats-Pav-Stafford

Gus-Z-Abby

Weiss-Sheahan-Helm

Jurco-Glendening-Miller

Lean and mean baby.

You're forgetting Franzen, though. If you bring in anyone upfront, I guarantee it knocks Jurco out of the lineup and Weiss back onto the 4th. That's enough for me to be against bringing almost anyone in up front.

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Totally. What this thread really needs is another of your epic four-part blockbuster trade scenarios.

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Nope but your saving what 1.5? Think richards cap hit is 5.5 and Phaneuf is 7 and they'll get more when clarkson is bought out ... Point is if a team really wants to keep someone they'll do anything to do it

Clarkson's contract is "buyout-proof" because of the way it's structured. Just google "Clarkson buy-out proof" and you'll see what I mean.

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Clarkson's contract is "buyout-proof" because of the way it's structured. Just google "Clarkson buy-out proof" and you'll see what I mean.

Yup there pretty much screwed lol ... But I could maybe see them agreeing to pay like 3.5 of his yearly salary in a trade to just to get rid of him ... Don't see why clarkson would wanna stay there when he gets pooped on , on a daily basis by the fans and media

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You're forgetting Franzen, though. If you bring in anyone upfront, I guarantee it knocks Jurco out of the lineup and Weiss back onto the 4th. That's enough for me to be against bringing almost anyone in up front.

It was my unspoken assumption that Franzen would be on IR for the remainder of the season, after which time Stafford would be a UFA and could either be let go, or resigned to the exclusion of someone else.

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Yup there pretty much screwed lol ... But I could maybe see them agreeing to pay like 3.5 of his yearly salary in a trade to just to get rid of him ... Don't see why clarkson would wanna stay there when he gets pooped on , on a daily basis by the fans and media

Then he shouldn't have gone there in the first place. I never feel bad for anyone that signs with the Leafs. Especially when you're a third line grinder who gets 5+M/per.

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