Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[Bannedforlife 403]

That's it, I remember!

"You remember the password!?"

No, I found the beat to funky town!

I'm so high right now, I have no idea what's going on...

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I'm so high right now, I have no idea what's going on...

He was the best at camp tardi-caca.

Hilarious.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

It has been so refreshing to see a RH on the point so far with Marchenko. We are keeping the offensive pressure going due to the ability to just throw the puck back in off the boards on his strong side.

I'd pay quite a bit to get Adam Larsson out of NJ. I think he is exactly what we need and we have the FWDs to send back that NJ needs. If we had a future RD of Larsson, Sproul, Marchenko I would be something special.

At this point we can't rely on getting top guys in FA because they just don't seem to be coming in recent years and I really don't want to overpay for a rental that bolts. Just get something done here Kenny.

[Yzerfan87 146]

It has been so refreshing to see a RH on the point so far with Marchenko. We are keeping the offensive pressure going due to the ability to just throw the puck back in off the boards on his strong side.

I'd pay quite a bit to get Adam Larsson out of NJ. I think he is exactly what we need and we have the FWDs to send back that NJ needs. If we had a future RD of Larsson, Sproul, Marchenko I would be something special.

At this point we can't rely on getting top guys in FA because they just don't seem to be coming in recent years and I really don't want to overpay for a rental that bolts. Just get something done here Kenny.

One year! One year we can't get any of the over rated players and suddenly we can't get anybody ever again! Weiss and Alfie were the top free agents a year ago. We got them both! Can we please stop this "nobody wants to ever come to the wings again" thing? Seriously. We could end up #1 in the entire East this year. I have a feeling we'll be able to sign someone this season.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

One year! One year we can't get any of the over rated players and suddenly we can't get anybody ever again! Weiss and Alfie were the top free agents a year ago. We got them both! Can we please stop this "nobody wants to ever come to the wings again" thing? Seriously. We could end up #1 in the entire East this year. I have a feeling we'll be able to sign someone this season.

I'm not talking just about the Olsen twins a while back. I'm also talking about missing out on Dmen this offseason as well. Sure - we got Alfie but the connection to the Swedes helped there and he was looking for a last kick at the can. Weiss came in but Fil bolted...

We aren't the prettiest girl at the dance anymore - just gonna have to go about things slightly differently. Also you overpay in FA anyways so if you acquire through trade at least you have the ability to control the cost of some guys. Things got way out of hand in Toronto.

[mvanpop 98]

We aren't the most popular location because we haven't been considered an up and comer that will dominate the league or a lower end team that will vastly overpay players. In the off season we were viewed as a team that would likely miss the playoffs and we have a GM notorious for being a conservative bigger (even if that isn't necessarily true). With how the season has gone and I hope will continue to go we should be at least considered a strong team with the potential to be a contender. This will make us much more attractive to free agents.

Edited February 7, 2015 by mvanpop

[Dabura 12,207]

We should definitely be a more attractive destination this summer, assuming we finish strong this season and Babcock re-signs before July 1st. At the same time, though, I'm not convinced we're going to be a truly desirable destination. Holland recently came out and said, straight up, "It's hard to play in our top six." (Case in point: Weiss. Though, injuries haven't helped his cause.) On the blue line, Babcock probably doesn't want to break up the DeKeyser-Quincey pairing unless he feels he absolutely has to, and Kronwall and Ericsson are seemingly inseperable. So, if you're Mike Green, you might be looking at a third-pairing role, and with some promising prospects knocking on the door, breathing down your neck. Plus, Holland doesn't do hardcore bidding wars; he'll offer you what he thinks your market value is, and that's pretty much it, take it or leave it. Yet another concern: pressure, expectations. Holland's been looking for That Defenseman since Rafalski retired. The hope has been that once we get That Defenseman, we'll be going deep in the playoffs and winning a Cup soon enough. Detroit isn't a hockey-mad Canadian market, but that's still a lot to carry on your shoulders.

Edited February 7, 2015 by Dabura

[Dabura 12,207]

This is why I've been trying to stay away from a certain hockey forum (unsuccessfully lately, but it's the trading season). I generally keep it to myself, but it gets frustrating at times to see Red Wings prospects dismissed over and over again. Realistically, if people can't be bothered to look at Detroit's track record and see the value of some of these guys, then it's on them. It's still annoying, though.

Eh, it's understandable. I think the general perception is the Wings draft coal and come away with diamond. Players that succeed as Red Wings wouldn't necessarily succeed elsewhere, and players that don't succeed elsewhere would probably succeed as Red Wings.

[Dabura 12,207]

Assorted thoughts:

• I read a comment Babcock made about the Stadium Series game next season. It sure sounds like he plans on being behind our bench next season.
• There was a sequence in last night's Leafs game where Cammalleri totally undressed Franson. ...$5.5M x 7 years is a huge, huge investment...
• Andrej Sekera is highly underrated. He shoots left, but I think he could really help us.
• My gut says it's going to be Green, though not until the summer.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Assorted thoughts:

• I read a comment Babcock made about the Stadium Series game next season. It sure sounds like he plans on being behind our bench next season.
• There was a sequence in last night's Leafs game where Cammalleri totally undressed Franson. ...$5.5M x 7 years is a huge, huge investment...
• Andrej Sekera is highly underrated. He shoots left, but I think he could really help us.
• My gut says it's going to be Green, though not until the summer.

It does seem to be heading in that direction. MacLellan's recent comments about not wanting to move him for picks/prospects strike me as genuine. Unless someone's willing to move a solid 2C, or someone who can contribute right now, I think the Caps are going to hang onto Green as long as they can.

[amato 3,210]

I'd much rather sign green for a few years over the summer than rent franson and lose a draft pick and/or prospect

[number9 3,297]

Marchenko being up here might just mean the wings see him ahead of jensen ... It's at least a possibility

No doubt jensen is ahead of those 2 at this moment

Nice one

Yes I'm aware that he's in Sweden ... Guess wherever it is you go you didn't notice he's just 22 ? He's way too young to be considered a goner

Jesus man ... Just saying he's the middle of the pack if you do a rankings of our prospects ...I'd say there a good 10-15 ahead of him ... Hence middle of the pack ... Not like we got 50 prospects

And I never said jensen sucked just said in detroits eyes I'm sure they view ouellet sproul marchenko and possibly backman ahead of him ... He could be in the top 3 for all I know but that's my opinion

She'll be back ... Give the chicks a few years they'll put on some meat ... Always do

Again, you avoid the topic and insist on debating about who is middle of the pack. I've made it very clear that my issue is you grouping Jensen, Frk, Ehn, and Turgeon together, and suggesting they all have similar value as prospects. Not who is middle of the pack. Are you ready to address that?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Again, you avoid the topic and insist on debating about who is middle of the pack. I've made it very clear that my issue is you grouping Jensen, Frk, Ehn, and Turgeon together, and suggesting they all have similar value as prospects. Not who is middle of the pack. Are you ready to address that?

I don't know what the hell you want me to tell you ? For me there's the top end prospects , the middle of the pack and the going nowhere prospects such as louis marc Aubry/hudon/Ferraro etc...

I'm not willing to put ehn turgeon and frk(since he's 21 I'm willing to wait another season see where he's at) down with those guys

On detroit I see about 10-15 guys ahead of jensen so if teams coming and asking for jensen on a trade lets say and we lose him I wouldn't be as pissed off about him going as say a sproul or ouellet

Is jensen ahead of those guys you mentioned ? yes ... If it'll make you sleep better at night you can say he's the leader of the middle of the pack

Again these are my views

Edited February 8, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture

[number9 3,297]

I don't know what the hell you want me to tell you ? For me there's the top end prospects , the middle of the pack and the going nowhere prospects such as louis marc Aubry/hudon/Ferraro etc...

I'm not willing to put ehn turgeon and frk(since he's 21 I'm willing to wait another season see where he's at) down with those guys

On detroit I see about 10-15 guys ahead of jensen so if teams coming and asking for jensen on a trade lets say and we lose him I wouldn't be as pissed off about him going as say a sproul or ouellet

Is jensen ahead of those guys you mentioned ? yes ... If it'll make you sleep better at night you can say he's the leader of the middle of the pack

Again these are my views

Here you go again with this top end, middle pack, low end BS. I don't care about what arbitrary groups you've personally decided to place our prospects in.

I'm asking if you truly believe Jensen, Frk, Ehn, and Turgeon have the same value? That's a yes or no question with a recommended explanation accompanying it.

Frk can't hold a spot in the AHL after 2 seasons of trying and Jensen has been arguably the best shutdown D-man in GR since his arrival, and ony getting better. The same can't be said of Frk. Ehn and Turgeon have not had a chance to display anything but slightly better numbers from the teams they were drafted from. So they are essentially worth exactly the picks they were drafted for.

For the last time, do you seriously want to argue that those 4 players have the same value? Or would you like to recant your statement?

Also, Ferraro and Callahan are low end going nowhere prospects? But Frk is middle of the pack? huh?

Edited February 8, 2015 by number9

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Here you go again with this top end, middle pack, low end BS. I don't care about what arbitrary groups you've personally decided to place our prospects in.

I'm asking if you truly believe Jensen, Frk, Ehn, and Turgeon have the same value? That's a yes or no question with a recommended explanation accompanying it.

Frk can't hold a spot in the AHL after 2 seasons of trying and Jensen has been arguably the best shutdown D-man in GR since his arrival, and ony getting better. The same can't be said of Frk. Ehn and Turgeon have not had a chance to display anything but slightly better numbers from the teams they were drafted from. So they are essentially worth exactly the picks they were drafted for.

For the last time, do you seriously want to argue that those 4 players have the same value? Or would you like to recant your statement?

Also, Ferraro and Callahan are low end going nowhere prospects? But Frk is middle of the pack? huh?

Like I said a bunch of times frk just turned 21 so I'm not willing to write him off just yet

And I said before jensen is the leader of the pack so yes that means he's got more value ... which isn't much more

It's unfortunate jensen was hurt last year and missed a lot of games but he's gonna be 25 next September and hasn't played 1 nhl game yet (I am hoping we send down marchenko soon enough and give him some games)

Right now he's what? Projected to be a 3rd pairing dman? The way you keep defending him you'd think he was gonna be a Norris winner

You can say he has more value today then those kids but he also has 3-4 yrs on them ... That's why with sproul ouellet marchenko backman ahead of jensen(in my eyes) I'd be willing to part with him say before a turgeon who might not be a top 2 line guy but has good chances he will be an nhler (and seeing as we traded an extra 3rd round pick to land him I believe they'd trade jensen before turgeon in this moment)

you don't agree with my views and that's just fine ... To each his own

Edited February 8, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture

[number9 3,297]

Like I said a bunch of times frk just turned 21 so I'm not willing to write him off just yet

And I said before jensen is the leader of the pack so yes that means he's got more value ... which isn't much more

It's unfortunate jensen was hurt last year and missed a lot of games but he's gonna be 25 next September and hasn't played 1 nhl game yet (I am hoping we send down marchenko soon enough and give him some games)

Right now he's what? Projected to be a 3rd pairing dman? The way you keep defending him you'd think he was gonna be a Norris winner

You can say he has more value today then those kids but he also has 3-4 yrs on them ... That's why with sproul ouellet marchenko backman ahead of jensen(in my eyes) I'd be willing to part with him say before a turgeon who might not be a top 2 line guy but has good chances he will be an nhler (and seeing as we traded an extra 3rd round pick to land him I believe they'd trade jensen before turgeon in this moment)

you don't agree with my views and that's just fine ... To each his own

21 or not, a guy who had multiple chances of making the AHL and failed, does not have the same value as 2 kids who haven't even had a shot at the AHL yet, and a guy that would be an NHL ready call up on another team. I don't care who's ahead of Jensen. The argument is about value.

You've also called Callahan a low-end "going nowhere" prospect. How is Jensen "middle of the pack" but Callahan is not? Furthermore, how is Frk middle of the pack, but Callahan is not?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

21 or not, a guy who had multiple chances of making the AHL and failed, does not have the same value as 2 kids who haven't even had a shot at the AHL yet, and a guy that would be an NHL ready call up on another team. I don't care who's ahead of Jensen. The argument is about value.

You've also called Callahan a low-end "going nowhere" prospect. How is Jensen "middle of the pack" but Callahan is not? Furthermore, how is Frk middle of the pack, but Callahan is not?

Well Grand Rapids to be fair is stacked full of kids and vets ... I can't recall ever seeing our Grand Rapids team being this loaded with good prospects so I'm not willing to give up on frk who again just turned 21

Add to that even though it's the echl he's tied for 2nd on the team with 2 other guys with 18 goals in 24 games (others got 18 in 17 games more and are 4 years older) and has 31 pts in 24 games

Point is at least he's not in the echl doing nothing which would be even worse and I expect him to be a full time Grand Rapids player next season which is why I'm willing to wait another year

If you wanna write him off now that's fine

You keep going on about value .... We trade jensen now what do we get ? 5th round pick? 4th if were lucky? ... We used 2 3rd round picks to draft turgeon so you'd have to think if we traded him now we'd get at least one 3rd rounder? So who's more valuable?

Just because jensen is capable of playing right now on a weaker team he's more valuable? yet we'd somehow probably receive less?

Now again with frk/Callahan stuff ... You don't care frk is 21 where as I do

Callahan is projected to be a 4th line nhl player ? Think we can both agree on that? And even if he does make it I personally don't see him being in the nhl when he's 30 ... Time will tell

Again ... I'm thinking frk has more upside and I wanna see what he does next season ... If I recall I remember something about how he was working out a lot off the ice to try and get back to the ahl ? Shows at least he's determined to reach his goals

[number9 3,297]

Well Grand Rapids to be fair is stacked full of kids and vets ... I can't recall ever seeing our Grand Rapids team being this loaded with good prospects so I'm not willing to give up on frk who again just turned 21

Add to that even though it's the echl he's tied for 2nd on the team with 2 other guys with 18 goals in 24 games (others got 18 in 17 games more and are 4 years older) and has 31 pts in 24 games

Point is at least he's not in the echl doing nothing which would be even worse and I expect him to be a full time Grand Rapids player next season which is why I'm willing to wait another year

If you wanna write him off now that's fine

You keep going on about value .... We trade jensen now what do we get ? 5th round pick? 4th if were lucky? ... We used 2 3rd round picks to draft turgeon so you'd have to think if we traded him now we'd get at least one 3rd rounder? So who's more valuable?

Just because jensen is capable of playing right now on a weaker team he's more valuable? yet we'd somehow probably receive less?

Now again with frk/Callahan stuff ... You don't care frk is 21 where as I do

Callahan is projected to be a 4th line nhl player ? Think we can both agree on that? And even if he does make it I personally don't see him being in the nhl when he's 30 ... Time will tell

Again ... I'm thinking frk has more upside and I wanna see what he does next season ... If I recall I remember something about how he was working out a lot off the ice to try and get back to the ahl ? Shows at least he's determined to reach his goals

A few posts back you said Jensen was the most valuable of the four ("but not by much"). Now you're arguing that Turgeon is more valuable than Jensen? I never said we'd receive less for Jensen, that's all you.

I'm not writing Frk off. I hope he turns it around too. But since he was drafted his stock has done nothing but plummet. Jensen has excelled everywhere he's gone and appears ready to make an NHL 3rd pairing. A team that trades for him knows they are getting a solid asset. Frk is young, so there's room to grow, but so far he's been taking steps backwards, not forwards. There's no current value for a guy like that.

"Hey Tim Murray, I know all your scouts were at the Griffins game to pick out who they want in a trade, but how about I offer you a guy from our ECHL team instead?... *click* Hello? Hello?"

Callahan at 23 is 3rd on the Griffins in points. He plays an Abdelkader type game, only nastier. But yeah, he's low end "going nowhere" and Frk is a middle of the pack kinda guy

Edited February 9, 2015 by number9

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

A few posts back you said Jensen was the most valuable of the four ("but not by much"). Now you're arguing that Turgeon is more valuable than Jensen? I never said we'd receive less for Jensen, that's all you.

I'm not writing Frk off. I hope he turns it around too. But since he was drafted his stock has done nothing but plummet. Jensen has excelled everywhere he's gone and appears ready to make an NHL 3rd pairing. A team that trades for him knows they are getting a solid asset. Frk is young, so there's room to grow, but so far he's been taking steps backwards, not forwards. There's no current value for a guy like that.

"Hey Tim Murray, I know all your scouts were at the Griffins game to pick out who they want in a trade, but how about I offer you a guy from our ECHL team instead?... *click* Hello? Hello?"

Callahan at 23 is 3rd on the Griffins in points. He plays an Abdelkader type game, only nastier. But yeah, he's low end "going nowhere" and Frk is a middle of the pack kinda guy

Yes I realized a while back after I wrote it I contradicted myself but I was watching a film and said f it lol ... Guess all this going back and fourth is getting my head all mixed up

Anyways yes jensen is ahead of those guys but that's due to his age and being ready for the nhl ... That being said I don't think we would get more for him if he was on the trade market as he's done nothing thus far and is projected to be a 3rd pairing d so I'm guessing it would be be something like a 4th or 5th rounder

They might not want frk but to be honest I wouldn't wanna just give him away for nothing either ... Like you I'm not ready just yet to give up on him ... Different Players take longer to develop and he's still so young

Now I'm no where near comparing him to Marty St. Louis but just to give an example everyone thought he'd amount to nothing and started out being great when he was what? 25-26? Hasek 28? Obviously those are hall of famers but I'm just saying give him some time ... Aubry is 23 and on the team and hasn't done anything yet in his time there and he's been there for 3 seasons I believe?

Callahan is 3rd on the team but he's also on Pulkkinen's line which helps his stats and is projected to be a bottom line player and went unclaimed on waivers and we haven't called him up thus far this season ... I hope he proves me wrong and becomes a key piece on a future wings grind line but personally I don't see it

[number9 3,297]

Yes I realized a while back after I wrote it I contradicted myself but I was watching a film and said f it lol ... Guess all this going back and fourth is getting my head all mixed up

Anyways yes jensen is ahead of those guys but that's due to his age and being ready for the nhl ... That being said I don't think we would get more for him if he was on the trade market as he's done nothing thus far and is projected to be a 3rd pairing d so I'm guessing it would be be something like a 4th or 5th rounder

They might not want frk but to be honest I wouldn't wanna just give him away for nothing either ... Like you I'm not ready just yet to give up on him ... Different Players take longer to develop and he's still so young

Now I'm no where near comparing him to Marty St. Louis but just to give an example everyone thought he'd amount to nothing and started out being great when he was what? 25-26? Hasek 28? Obviously those are hall of famers but I'm just saying give him some time ... Aubry is 23 and on the team and hasn't done anything yet in his time there and he's been there for 3 seasons I believe?

Callahan is 3rd on the team but he's also on Pulkkinen's line which helps his stats and is projected to be a bottom line player and went unclaimed on waivers and we haven't called him up thus far this season ... I hope he proves me wrong and becomes a key piece on a future wings grind line but personally I don't see it

So you admit to him being ahead of those guys, but yet he somehow has less/same value? Please explain how that works? Because I live in the real world and it makes no sense to me.

You've also contradicted yourself multiple times (as you admit) and then proceed to compare Frk to St. Louis and Hasek???????? Callahan is on the top line with Pulkkinen bc he deserves to be there. He plays an in your face physical power forward type game that finesse players need. He was called up last year already and hasn't been this year bc our forwards are healthy and we have a ton of them.

Now... can you admit that Turgeon, Ehn, Frk, and Jensen have widely varying values... Or would you like to give me the run around again?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

So you admit to him being ahead of those guys, but yet he somehow has less/same value? Please explain how that works? Because I live in the real world and it makes no sense to me.

You've also contradicted yourself multiple times (as you admit) and then proceed to compare Frk to St. Louis and Hasek???????? Callahan is on the top line with Pulkkinen bc he deserves to be there. He plays an in your face physical power forward type game that finesse players need. He was called up last year already and hasn't been this year bc our forwards are healthy and we have a ton of them.Now... can you admit that Turgeon, Ehn, Frk, and Jensen have widely varying values... Or would you like to give me the run around again?

Jesus ... I never compared frk to hasek/St. Louis .... I even said I'm no where near comparing him to them , just saying those guys made an impact in the nhl when they were older so I'm not giving up on frk who just turned 21 ... No I don't think he be a future nhl hall of famer

Back to jensen yes he's ahead of those mentioned at this stage but every player obviously has different value depending on a certain players longterm projection

Now simple question to you ... We call teams offering up jensen what do we get ? ... Now for the fun of it we call up say turgeon and offer him what offers do we get? Who would get more value?

As for Callahan ... Just because he's on the top line in the ahl doesn't mean it'll translate into a long nhl career or a lengthy one for that matter ... admit it or not but it certainly has to help his numbers playing along side pulkkinen

Edited February 9, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Jesus ... I never compared frk to hasek/St. Louis .... I even said I'm no where near comparing him to them , just saying those guys made an impact in the nhl when they were older so I'm not giving up on frk who just turned 21 ... No I don't think he be a future nhl hall of famer

Back to jensen yes he's ahead of those mentioned at this stage but every player obviously has different value depending on a certain players longterm projection

Now simple question to you ... We call teams offering up jensen what do we get ? ... Now for the fun of it we call up say turgeon and offer him what offers do we get? Who would get more value?

As for Callahan ... Just because he's on the top line in the ahl doesn't mean it'll translate into a long nhl career or a lengthy one for that matter ... admit it or not but it certainly has to help his numbers playing along side pulkkinen

Jensen.

Easily.

And frk may be only 21 but he's 21 and can't even stay in grand rapids lineup even after all the wingers had graduated.

His numbers were only good in juniors because of his linemates, he's proving he was just a product of their success.

I haven't completely given up on him, but it doesn't look good for him.

And Cally cleared waivers before the season started, when teams want to see what they have on their team and in their system.

Plus he's a hard worker, something frk has not been known for lately.

I'm confused as to what you're arguing about at this point.

[number9 3,297]

Jesus ... I never compared frk to hasek/St. Louis .... I even said I'm no where near comparing him to them , just saying those guys made an impact in the nhl when they were older so I'm not giving up on frk who just turned 21 ... No I don't think he be a future nhl hall of famer

Back to jensen yes he's ahead of those mentioned at this stage but every player obviously has different value depending on a certain players longterm projection

Now simple question to you ... We call teams offering up jensen what do we get ? ... Now for the fun of it we call up say turgeon and offer him what offers do we get? Who would get more value?

As for Callahan ... Just because he's on the top line in the ahl doesn't mean it'll translate into a long nhl career or a lengthy one for that matter ... admit it or not but it certainly has to help his numbers playing along side pulkkinen

I don't think you could get anything for Frk right now. In fact I'm not sure an NHL trade involving a player in the ECHL has ever been conducted.

I would think Jensen could net a middle to low end pick. Perhaps after a little showcasing in the NHL, more. Turgeon hasn't even stepped into the minors yet. Trades involving those types of players aren't typically conducted all too often so it's hard to say what we could get. Teams aren't out there going we need DOMINIC TURGEON, because players don't really have much trade value until they reach the minors. This isn't NHL for xbox where you can trade freshly drafted prospects for proven NHL regulars.

So you admit to him being ahead of those guys, but yet he somehow has less/same value? Please explain how that works? Because I live in the real world and it makes no sense to me.

You've also contradicted yourself multiple times (as you admit) and then proceed to compare Frk to St. Louis and Hasek???????? Callahan is on the top line with Pulkkinen bc he deserves to be there. He plays an in your face physical power forward type game that finesse players need. He was called up last year already and hasn't been this year bc our forwards are healthy and we have a ton of them.

Now... can you admit that Turgeon, Ehn, Frk, and Jensen have widely varying values... Or would you like to give me the run around again?

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[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I don't think you could get anything for Frk right now. In fact I'm not sure an NHL trade involving a player in the ECHL has ever been conducted.

I would think Jensen could net a middle to low end pick. Perhaps after a little showcasing in the NHL, more. Turgeon hasn't even stepped into the minors yet. Trades involving those types of players aren't typically conducted all too often so it's hard to say what we could get. Teams aren't out there going we need DOMINIC TURGEON, because players don't really have much trade value until they reach the minors. This isn't NHL for xbox where you can trade freshly drafted prospects for proven NHL regulars.

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that's fine I'm not willing to just give away frk at this point regardless(meaning a late pick , if adding him in part of a big deal lands us a big player then obviously I would )

Not nhl xbox hey ... Where the hell did I ever say we can trade turgeon and get a roster player? I clearly said since we used up 2 3rd rounders to draft him then I'd have to think we can get a 3rd rounder for him and then mentioned jensen going for a 4th or 5th

And yes players have there own value on what you can get in return but I'm not gonna budge from where I PERSONALLY rank prospects on our team ... You don't like that I consider some certain guys middle of the pack and that's just fine it's my opinion just like you have your own

Now if you haven't noticed we basically scared everyone off from the thread and since the trade deadline is fast approaching I'd rather get some talks going on about that and get other peoples opinions involved as well

[DickieDunn 2,571]

I don't think you understand player value. Every team has players like those kids, and they get more every year. They have no value on their own. Even as part of a package they don't have much value. Those types are throw ins until they actually show something in the pros.