Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Honestly, if you've ever put stuff out there for public consumption, you know what you're getting yourself into. You write something and people are going to find a way to rip it apart. Same goes for putting out any kind of hockey-related information. People are going to find mistakes, or at least try, then call you out on it. If you're serious about your work, you'll appreciate it in the end. It's more important to get the facts right than it is to be right.

You take your lumps, and get it right the next time. Chances are it's not the first, or last time that GM's going to get "fact checked". I did it the other day on something regarding Nick Jensen (I'm much nicer than Kip, though).

[Bannedforlife 403]

Or read them and relentlessly taunt me. I don't really care. And at the very least I can assure everyone I won't throw a fit and make vague threats about bears in trees.

I'm probably responsible for bringing out the very best in you as well. I'm guessing you'll get three extra reps per set on your bench press at the gym tonight. Call it the Kip effect.

You're welcome.

Im watching the Family Fued right now and they asked 100 people "what is the secret to success in life?" and the top answer was, 'The Kip Effect'

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Being an ass online to someone who devotes huge chunks of his spare time to deliver news and write articles to us for free? yeah classy move...

How about being an ass to someone who copies and pastes the work of others "reads between the lines" to pull stuff out of his ass, and constantly complains about his poor health?

[Ekmanc 586]

How about being an ass to someone who copies and pastes the work of others "reads between the lines" to pull stuff out of his ass, and constantly complains about his poor health?

Not much better honestly, says tons about you though.

[number9 3,297]

George Malik's health whining is the most insufferable thing about him, other than him being a fanboy posing as a journalist.

Nothing bothers me more than someone who deliberately uses an illness to garner sympathy/pity

[e_prime 1,936]

Malik loves to play both sides... "I'm a journalist! I hate when people refer to me as just a blogger! ...but I'm a fan too! ...and I can react to wins and losses just like you guys. ...but you should take me serious as a journalist -- not a blogger."

I'll leave my criticism of him at that, but needless to say, I stopped following him on twitter when I discovered I was hearing more about family trips to the doctors more than I was reading about hockey.

For the record: I love a$$e$. Thanks to the Kip Effect, I'm loving them even more.

...as far as a trade goes: Still hoping for a right handed puck moving defenseman.*

(*My default response when the thread needs to get back on track)

[LeftWinger 4,953]

if we can land Franson for the rumored 2nd and a good prospect, I think Holland should gamble. If Jagr only costs a pick, go for it.

or if Petry would just cost Kindl and a pick, then go that route if you can't grab Frason. Either way Detroit needs a shot in the arm in order to go deep in the playoffs. Holland must choose whether he wants to go deep or just hope he goes deep. March 2nd is a bigger day for Detroit than you may think...

[ash11 78]

if we can land Franson for the rumored 2nd and a good prospect, I think Holland should gamble. If Jagr only costs a pick, go for it.

or if Petry would just cost Kindl and a pick, then go that route if you can't grab Frason. Either way Detroit needs a shot in the arm in order to go deep in the playoffs. Holland must choose whether he wants to go deep or just hope he goes deep. March 2nd is a bigger day for Detroit than you may think...

I agree, or even make all of these moves, Il take two right handed shots on the back end, kindl would be gone, now I dont know about jagr but if it would only cost a pick, ken should pull the trigger

[cnot19 191]

I do not want franson at this time he also crumbles against a forecheck and I'm sure the price will be too high. I mean I'd take him but I'm not overpaying for him

[LeftWinger 4,953]

Right! The rumor is a 2nd and a "good" prospect is needed for Franson. I am sure that a inter divisional trade may be a bit more. For the rumor, I wouldn't mind a rental, but not for an overpayment. That's when I would rather have Petry. Again, anything more than Kindl and a pick, I may be apprehensive on that one. Our RH'd kids are coming, but in a playoff run, do you really want to rest your hopes on a rookie, or someone who's played NHL Hockey for 5-6 years? Not saying Petry or Franson are that much better than Marchenko, but when it comes to NHL experience, they both win out. Marchenko and Ouellet will be here next year or the next, they aren't going to be lost if we get a rental or if one of those rentals re-sign. Like I said, Kenny and just stand pat and try to get as far as he can with the team as it is, or he can try to get the one or two pieces to make the serious contenders this year...all depends on cost. But watching them play PIT and TPA just shows that they aren't ready in the state they stand right now to seriously contend....a couple of upgrades now, they just might. That is why March 2nd will be a very important day for Holland deciding how serious he is in trying to win a Cup this year or in a few years.

I am not calling our team bad. It's obvious that they are good. They are good enough to be one or two "rentals" away from seriously challenging for the Cup. BUT not at overpayment. There is a huge difference between our team trying to hit a homerun with a couple of rentals and our team desperate to just get on base. Last year, we needed a trade to just get on base, this year, IMO, we need a trade (or two) to have a better chance at that homerun. If nothing is done, maybe we get a double or triple, but it will very hard to get that homer. Getting Franson, Jagr, or Petry can get us a better chance to hit that homerun, as long as they don't cost too much.

Like I said before, it all it would cost is a 2nd & "Good" prospect or Franson, it would be worth the phone call. A pick for Jagr is worth a shot. Kindl and a pick for Petry is well worth a phone call.

[LeftWinger 4,953]

I'd actually like to see if indeed Buffalo is throwing in the towel, how much it would take to get Bogo here. Maybe a couple of picks and a prospect?

[e_prime 1,936]

Can someone tell me the last time a team got a first round pick for a rental defenseman?

It was Bouwmeester, right? ...or did he still have a year left on his deal when he was traded to St. Louis?

I hate that CapGeek is no more.

EDIT: Nevermind. Found it. http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/st-louis-blues/jay-bouwmeester/

'scuse me while I talk to myself.

So, again, I ask... Can someone tell me the last time a team got a first round pick for a rental defenseman?

Edited February 13, 2015 by e_prime

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Can someone tell me the last time a team got a first round pick for a rental defenseman?

Craig Rivet 2007 - for 1st and Josh Gorges

Brendan Witt 2006 - for 1st and Kris Beech

Both were expiring UFA contracts

[e_prime 1,936]

To Sharks: Craig Rivet 2007 - for 1st and Josh Gorges to Montreal

To Nashville: Brendan Witt 2006 - for 1st and Kris Beech to Washington

Both were expiring UFA contracts

So well before the last lockout.

Teams still figuring out that they needed to build through the draft?

Damn. Those picks ended up being Max Pacioretty for MTL and Varlamov for Washington.

...and then neither player re-signed with the team they were traded to.

Rivet went on to sign with Buffalo the next year and Witt to the Isles. So, really expensive trades!

Edited February 13, 2015 by e_prime

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

So well before the last lockout.

It's really not that long ago.

Not to mention that took about 2 minutes to find so there could be more. I dunno.

Not that I think a Franson or Sekera are going to get a first... I don't.

But it does happen occasionally..

[e_prime 1,936]

It's really not that long ago.

Not to mention that took about 2 minutes to find so there could be more. I dunno.

Not that I think a Franson or Sekera are going to get a first... I don't.

But it does happen occasionally..

Well, I am at work and have to at least pretend that I'm working from time to time... so thanks for taking the two minutes... I guess?

I could only get back to Bouwmeester before I got called to answer some questions.

Edited February 13, 2015 by e_prime

[rick zombo 3,739]

I'm doing it. I'm linking another Malik blog post full of trade speculation (in the comments section).

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/st.-james-khan-kulfan-red-wings-will-stick-with-3-goalie-rotation...for-now

Wings keeping three goalies with Mrazek backing up Howard. Could Monster be dealt by the deadline?

IMO, it has more to do with a combo of trying to nurture Mrazek at the NHL level + the play of Coreau and McCollum in GRs then it does with any sort of trade involving Gustavsson.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I've seen it mentioned a few places (most likely here), and I agree with it. Let's say the team trades Gustavsson, then Howard goes down just before or during the playoffs. You're in a situation where your starting goalie is a rookie with no PO experience, and your back-up is Tom McCollum.

If they really want Mrazek up during the post-season, then fine... but carry him as a black ace. I'd really prefer them to have the depth.

[Red Crazy 201]

I've seen it mentioned a few places (most likely here), and I agree with it. Let's say the team trades Gustavsson, then Howard goes down just before or during the playoffs. You're in a situation where your starting goalie is a rookie with no PO experience, and your back-up is Tom McCollum.

If they really want Mrazek up during the post-season, then fine... but carry him as a black ace. I'd really prefer them to have the depth.

If Howard goes down the Wings will probably be screwed. Would you really think that Monster would be a better option then Mrazek to come in and play? Id say run with Mrazek as back up.

If Jagr is available for cheap then its a no brainer. He might even resign for another year.

How much contract would Toronto have to eat to take a chance on Phaneaf? He might be the cheapest D on the market. Could Babcock turn his career around?

[ash11 78]

No to phaneaf, Yes to jagr if they eat some of his cap, and yes to franson

[BadgerBob 297]

http://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-hypothetical-trade-how-much-for-kessel/

This article quotes a hockey analytics researcher who has a hypothetical situation:

TOR gets: Pulkinnen, Kindl, Lashoff, Oulett, Mantha, and a 1st.

DET gets: Franson and Kessel

Would you guys do it? Seem like a fair trade? I'd be nervous giving up all that talent, but that roster looks awesome. Seeing Kessel on Datsyuk's wing would be crazy.

Edited February 14, 2015 by BadgerBob

[Yzerfan87 146]

Take out Mantha, make the pick a conditional 2nd if Franson resigns, and Toronto needs to retain 2-3m on Kessel for it to work.

[Buppy 1,720]

http://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-hypothetical-trade-how-much-for-kessel/

This article quotes a hockey analytics researcher who has a hypothetical situation:

TOR gets: Pulkinnen, Kindl, Lashoff, Oulett, Mantha, and a 1st.

DET gets: Franson and Kessel

Would you guys do it? Seem like a fair trade? I'd be nervous giving up all that talent, but that roster looks awesome. Seeing Kessel on Datsyuk's wing would be crazy.

Pretty fair deal, provided Franson re-signed, but I don't think it would work for us cap-wise.

Take out Mantha, make the pick a conditional 2nd if Franson resigns, and Toronto needs to retain 2-3m on Kessel for it to work.

[BadgerBob 297]

Take out Mantha, make the pick a conditional 2nd if Franson resigns, and Toronto needs to retain 2-3m on Kessel for it to work.

I wish, but I don't think Toronto would realistically take that.

Pretty fair deal, provided Franson re-signed, but I don't think it would work for us cap-wise.

Right. I wish Capgeek was still available for scenarios like this, but my guess is it wouldn't leave us much room to retain key players.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

If Howard goes down the Wings will probably be screwed. Would you really think that Monster would be a better option then Mrazek to come in and play? Id say run with Mrazek as back up.

If Jagr is available for cheap then its a no brainer. He might even resign for another year.

How much contract would Toronto have to eat to take a chance on Phaneaf? He might be the cheapest D on the market. Could Babcock turn his career around?

Not necessarily, but I'd rather have that option. If Mrazek falters in that situation, at least Gustavsson could come in. You move Gustavsson and you have to turn to McCollum.

It's not the end of the world if Mrazek goes back down for the remainder of the regular season. He can come back up when the NHL playoffs start, if they don't want to use him as the Griffins' starter down there.