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NJ fires DeBoer. Scott Stevens & Adam Oates named coaches

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In reading the Devils beat writers (even before DeBoer was fired today) it sounds like just about any and all Devils will be made available soon enough. If there are any Devils players the Wings might want make a call...

http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2014/12/its_time_for_the_devils_to_thank_lou_lamoriello_and_show_him_the_door.html

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Great article after all but Harris and Blitzer are not the kind of owners the Devils fans should want in terms of controlling a rookie GM or rookie coach

They don't come off as fans at all both of them are more interested in the bottom line hence why they've sold out to sport betting and annoying fans with that crap.

I'm still shocked that their forward core is worth 47 million that's unbelievable

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Larson and Bouliton would be nice other than that not much interest in their players

First, to be nit-picky, it's Larsson.

Second, BOULTON (who I'm assuming you're talking about -- knowing your type) plays for the Islanders.

There's no one even close to that misspelling on the Devils roster or in their system that I can find.

Third... no Cam Janssen love, bro?

Finally, Jagr in all of the jerseys!! Git'r'dun Kenny!

EDIT: For the record, I do not wish to help NJ 'restock their cabinets' by trying to obtain Larsson. He's slated to be a great talent. He's playing on a team where he hasn't been trusted to play his style of game, but it's really hard to judge whether he's going to pan out or not. DeBoer didn't give him a lot of leeway and if they bring in another defense-first type coach, it's going to amount to the same for Larsson.

He's a RFA making peanuts at this point.

Even if they're going to tank for McDavid, which is certainly reasonable given their record and their numerous injuries at this point...

Either way, I think the asking price for him is going to be way too high.

Edited by e_prime

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The Devils are a mess. They're in a spot where they need to rebuild but they have almost nothing in the AHL so they're full of mediocre vets. Larsson is a prime example of why you need to let your players develop instead of tossing them right into the fire at 18 or 19, especially d-men. I'd like him, but in reality the Devils don't need to trade him, so unless Lou goes full retard and just gives up on him, it'd probably take something like Sproul, Pulkinnen and a pick to get him, and that's too much. Right now, their best bet is to sell the farm at the deadline and move every player age 30 or over they can get so much as a 7th round pick for and revamp their amateur scouting department so they can actually draft well.

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How could THIS setup go wrong?


"Adam Oates and Scott Stevens will both be behind the bench to coach the New Jersey Devils, with general manager Lou Lamoriello on the bench as well, at least during the short-term, to oversee the effort, the team announced Saturday morning.

Lamoriello announced the "unique" scenario at a news conference with reporters. Coach Pete DeBoer was fired Friday."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/story/_/id/12083283/lou-lamoriello-help-coach-new-jersey-devils

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First, to be nit-picky, it's Larsson.

Second, BOULTON (who I'm assuming you're talking about -- knowing your type) plays for the Islanders.

There's no one even close to that misspelling on the Devils roster or in their system that I can find.

Third... no Cam Janssen love, bro?

Finally, Jagr in all of the jerseys!! Git'r'dun Kenny!

EDIT: For the record, I do not wish to help NJ 'restock their cabinets' by trying to obtain Larsson. He's slated to be a great talent. He's playing on a team where he hasn't been trusted to play his style of game, but it's really hard to judge whether he's going to pan out or not. DeBoer didn't give him a lot of leeway and if they bring in another defense-first type coach, it's going to amount to the same for Larsson.

He's a RFA making peanuts at this point.

Even if they're going to tank for McDavid, which is certainly reasonable given their record and their numerous injuries at this point...

Either way, I think the asking price for him is going to be way too high.

As for Boulton / Janssen yeah mixed those two up, so make it Larsson and Janssen then.

If it only takes something like Pulkkinen and a second rounder I would be okay with that, the Wings D does need help and Larsson still has the talent and is fairly young. I don't care if that means helping them out with their rebuild because it would also lead to a better Wings defense so a win-win for both clubs.

Oates and Stevens are taking over while Lou will also join the bench. What the Devils need to do is simple, get rid of everybody 30 + and tank it for McEichel. Man the race to the bottom is becoming very interesting this year .

I'm just shocked that the Devils are having nothing outside of Larsson and Gelineas. Time to kick off the rebuild would have been after their last Stanley Cup appearance.

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How could THIS setup go wrong?

"Adam Oates and Scott Stevens will both be behind the bench to coach the New Jersey Devils, with general manager Lou Lamoriello on the bench as well, at least during the short-term, to oversee the effort, the team announced Saturday morning.

Lamoriello announced the "unique" scenario at a news conference with reporters. Coach Pete DeBoer was fired Friday."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/story/_/id/12083283/lou-lamoriello-help-coach-new-jersey-devils

Good Lord... Is Paul Shaffer gonna be playing the organ as well??

Let's throw in a Scott Hamilton backflip as well.

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The Wings don't need a young defenseman with potential, they have plenty of those. They need someone in their prime who can step in right now, RH, that can play the point on the PP.

This situation reinforces the amazing job that Ken Holland has done in rebuilding the Wings on the fly.

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The Wings don't need a young defenseman with potential, they have plenty of those. They need someone in their prime who can step in right now, RH, that can play the point on the PP.

This situation reinforces the amazing job that Ken Holland has done in rebuilding the Wings on the fly.

Larsson is also good sized and has 3 years of NHL experience. There's no way Pulk and a second gets him though.

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Can you imagine? Scott Stevens, John MacLean, Ken Daneyko, Adam Oates, Martin Brodeur and Lou ALL standing behind the bench coaching?

I think Lou can...

I think Marty would replace Lou, and Lou would replace one of the other guys, which would bump them to the popcorn stand Edited by jimmyemeryhunter

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The Wings don't need a young defenseman with potential, they have plenty of those. They need someone in their prime who can step in right now, RH, that can play the point on the PP.

This situation reinforces the amazing job that Ken Holland has done in rebuilding the Wings on the fly.

Agreed. I don't think Larsson is the answer for us. While he's a righty, he's going to be too costly for the big question mark that he is... and let's not kid ourselves. He's a question mark.

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The Wings don't need a young defenseman with potential, they have plenty of those. They need someone in their prime who can step in right now, RH, that can play the point on the PP.

This situation reinforces the amazing job that Ken Holland has done in rebuilding the Wings on the fly.

Agreed. I don't think Larsson is the answer for us. While he's a righty, he's going to be too costly for the big question mark that he is... and let's not kid ourselves. He's a question mark.

The problem is this:

1. Young established right handed defenceman are either not available or would cost more

2. A top 4 defender in his prime isn't available either

So while Larsson may be a question mark he also has a lot of potential. This team needs an impactful trade sooner than later that's for sure

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Larsson is also good sized and has 3 years of NHL experience. There's no way Pulk and a second gets him though.

Franzen is good sized, too, but it isn't like he uses it. He's only played more than 40 games once. So I think the "3 years NHL experience" is kind of misleading. Obviously, if he could be had for cheap, of course pick him up. But I think a pick and a prospect isn't going to be enough for a top 5 draft pick and their only real asset.

The problem is this: 1. Young established right handed defenceman are either not available or would cost more 2. A top 4 defender in his prime isn't available either So while Larsson may be a question mark he also has a lot of potential. This team needs an impactful trade sooner than later that's for sure

An impactful trade would be acquiring a RH offensive minded PP QB in the 24-30 range. Yes, it would be costly, but you don't get something valuable for nothing. If Larsson is that good, and I've heard some buzz, but really haven't seen him play much, he won't be cheap either. For a team that needs a major rebuild, I can't see them trading their best asset for Pulkkinen and a 2nd rounder, and no, throwing in Kindl and Andersson won't get it done either.

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The problem is this:

1. Young established right handed defenceman are either not available or would cost more

2. A top 4 defender in his prime isn't available either

So while Larsson may be a question mark he also has a lot of potential. This team needs an impactful trade sooner than later that's for sure

Larsson has potential, but honestly, he hasn't even been given the chance.

Like Myers, Larsson's best year was his rookie year where he posted the following stats:

2011-12 New Jersey NHL

GP: 65

G: 2

A: 16

PTS: 18

+/-: -7

PIM: 20

PPG: 0

SHG: 0

GWG: 0

TOI: 20:37

SHOTS: 68

PPG: 0.28

Since then, in the NHL, he's had fewer games played, goals, assists, shots, ZERO PP goals -- of which we'd need from ANY RH d-man -- that we'd immediately plug into the PP just because of his handedness. He's had less time on ice, but averaging just as many PIM while his +/- is just slightly better.

If that's potential... I'll keep Kindl, at least he's "established" and cheaper than your (Frank) established young D-man or those otherwise "unavailable" prime/established Top 4 D-man.

I'm sure if someone wants to Corsi/Advance/Fancy stats up Larsson, you can tell me why he's worth it... but like Playmaker said earlier, we've got youth with potential. (Maybe not 4th overall pick potential... but we all know how that goes...)

Sure, a trade for Larsson might be impactful, but it might be a negative impact. Especially if we're giving up futures.

Wait. FFS... What did I just say about Kindl?

EDIT: Sorry, ugly formatting from a table cut and paste.

Edited by e_prime

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Sure, a trade for Larsson might be impactful, but it might be a negative impact. Especially if we're giving up futures.

Wait. FFS... What did I just say about Kindl?

EDIT: Sorry, ugly formatting from a table cut and paste.

Well at least picking up the phone and asking for a pricetag isn't too much to ask. I mean if it isn't something crazy this could work out very well for both teams, heck I'd do a Jurco for Larsson trade because it would be potential for potential.

I know some people hate that idea but come July 1 throwing the bank at Boychuck would also be a great idea but that guy is not available right now. As far as some of our cast-offs go I don't think players like Kindl have any value especially not if you are asking for Larsson...

Edited by frankgrimes

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Taking into account we are talking about Lou Lamoriello, a rebuild or a fire sale generally entails ridding the team of older players and big contracts. It really makes no sense to trade a 22 year old top 5 pick who costs very little for anyone who isn't a potential superstar or a top 5 pick in a deep draft.

That said, I have faith that Ken Holland is bright enough to at least inquire about his availability and will make a move or not that makes sense for the team based on the asking price.

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