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12/29 GDT - Red Wings 2 at Bruins 5

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I know right. Top 5 in PP and PK and 6 points up on Boston.

This team sucks.

One of my favourite things though is how we can always count on you to swing by and ring the Illogical Bell of Doom.

Dude what is wrong with you? You think this team looks good right now? They're terrible. They got pretty much embarrassed out there without two of their best players. I'm just putting my two cents in. If you have a problem with that then don't worry about what I post. Because we all watch games, we know who's good and bad on this team. Nothing that hasn't been posted here a million times before.

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On a team with a tremendous defensive corps maybe. But honestly I think he'd be fine in more of a 2nd pairing role.

The blueline is thin on talent so everyone not named Kronwall is playing a little over their heads.

perhaps, but unless hapless Holland does something to make that even a possibility, it'll probably never happen

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Dude what is wrong with you? You think this team looks good right now? They're terrible. They got pretty much embarrassed out there without two of their best players. I'm just putting my two cents in. If you have a problem with that then don't worry about what I post. Because we all watch games, we know who's good and bad on this team. Nothing that hasn't been posted here a million times before.

*sigh*

Sure thing dude. You're an even-handed champion of logic. My apologies. This team is bad. How could I not see this before?

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Dude what is wrong with you? You think this team looks good right now? They're terrible. They got pretty much embarrassed out there without two of their best players. I'm just putting my two cents in. If you have a problem with that then don't worry about what I post. Because we all watch games, we know who's good and bad on this team. Nothing that hasn't been posted here a million times before.

We actually aren't terrible. We still don't have double digit regulaton losses. But we are always taken to school by teams like this. Boston just simply has our number but I'm not gonna say we are a terrible team. We are fun to watch against most of the NHL. But we need to fix the glaring holes that have plagued us the past 5 years that we've been complaining about regarding Holland. We need some bigger forwards and better defensemen in our top 4. I know Jimmy is having a solid year but he scares the living hell out of me against Boston and he always looks like a deer in headlights.

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We actually aren't terrible. We still don't have double digit regulaton losses. But we are always taken to school by teams like this. Boston just simply has our number but I'm not gonna say we are a terrible team. We are fun to watch against most of the NHL. But we need to fix the glaring holes that have plagued us the past 5 years that we've been complaining about regarding Holland. We need some bigger forwards and better defensemen in our top 4. I know Jimmy is having a solid year but he scares the living hell out of me against Boston and he always looks like a deer in headlights.

Probably not terrible, but they've been playing like it. We're taken to "school" by teams like this is because they're better than us. I'm sorry but the Wings haven't been fun to watch lately. I'll say in some games they were boring as hell, especially lately. "We need bigger forwards and better defenseman." Well yea, that's the problem. The Wings D isn't good, like at all. Kronwall is NOT a number one guy. Wings D have trouble getting the puck out of the zone and they just don't produce any offense. Wings get pushed around by teams like this all the time. I just really think their record is inflated because of the loser points. In the end they'll get knocked out again in the first round.

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Probably not terrible, but they've been playing like it. We're taken to "school" by teams like this is because they're better than us. I'm sorry but the Wings haven't been fun to watch lately. I'll say in some games they were boring as hell, especially lately. "We need bigger forwards and better defenseman." Well yea, that's the problem. The Wings D isn't good, like at all. Kronwall is NOT a number one guy. Wings D have trouble getting the puck out of the zone and they just don't produce any offense. Wings get pushed around by teams like this all the time. I just really think their record is inflated because of the loser points. In the end they'll get knocked out again in the first round.

Inflated because of loser points? Or, if they weren't 1-7 in shootouts they'd be first in the Atlantic. Or that.

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Inflated because of loser points? Or, if they weren't 1-7 in shootouts they'd be first in the Atlantic. Or that.

IF, if I was a millionaire I'd live on an island with naked chics running around all day. They didn't win those games. I don't care about if. They weren't good enough to win those games and they didn't.

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Probably not terrible, but they've been playing like it. We're taken to "school" by teams like this is because they're better than us. I'm sorry but the Wings haven't been fun to watch lately. I'll say in some games they were boring as hell, especially lately. "We need bigger forwards and better defenseman." Well yea, that's the problem. The Wings D isn't good, like at all. Kronwall is NOT a number one guy. Wings D have trouble getting the puck out of the zone and they just don't produce any offense. Wings get pushed around by teams like this all the time. I just really think their record is inflated because of the loser points. In the end they'll get knocked out again in the first round.

I am sick and tired of hearing this about Kronners every single time the wings lose a game. You clearly are lacking hockey knowledge if you think that. Kronners is very underrated and is a hugeeeee part of this team's success. The Bruins simply played better today. The Wings allowed far too much room at the points and that costed us the game. Simple as that. The wings will be fine and sore losers like you, who jump on our team's best players every time we lose a game are so irritating.

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IF, if I was a millionaire I'd live on an island with naked chics running around all day. They didn't win those games. I don't care about if. They weren't good enough to win those games and they didn't.

But they are good enough to win most of their games this year. And, like I said earlier, they're good enough to be top 5 in PP%, PK%, and top 6 in GA.

But you don't care about that either.

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Wings just can't compete with these big physical teams.

Your supporting evidence being what? Are we being routinely blown out by "Big Physical Teams"? Do the Kings give us all sorts of problems every time we face them? Did the Jets blow us out earlier this year? Was the original kid line of Nyquist-Andersson-Brunner completely ineffective against the Big Physical Ducks a couple years ago? Pretty much every team is bigger than the Wings, pretty much every team is more physical than the Wings - and it means pretty much nothing in terms of competitive (dis)advantages. The Big Physical Bruins have been ravaged by injuries to their Big Physical Players and have struggled. The Big Physical Blue Jackets have been ravaged by injuries to their Big Physical Players and have struggled. The Big Physical Jets have been ravaged by injuries to their Big Physical Players. The Big Physical Kings have been ravaged by injuries to their Big Physical Players. The Big Physical Ducks have have been ravaged by injuries to their Big Physical Players. The Big Physical Flyers are terrible. The Wings are a top-ten team by most measures and are within striking range of first overall, all while having a winning (if limited) record against those Big Physical Western Powers. (Remember when the Kings obliterated us a couple months ago? Neither do I!)

If we were halfway decent in the shootout, we'd be right at the top of the standings. And it wouldn't be a fluke, because, by nearly all measures, this is in fact one of the better teams in the league.

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Because of that one PK

edit: LOL for clarity.

Haha, even if you factor in special teams (Tatar and Weiss had more special team TOI) Glendening and Miller had more. If you look at their even strength time on ice only, Glendening and Miller had WAY more. Which makes sense, what with the fact that we were playing from behind the whole game...ugh.

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Completely inexcusable nearly all of the time -- even more in a game where the Red Wings were only shorthanded once.

Everybody knows that you can't put Tatar and Weiss on the ice much because only bad things happen when they're out there. Well, that and they score goals. But mostly bad things.

Here's a fun game to play. Mike Babcock bitched during the game that the Bruins were playing effectively in front of the net and the Wings weren't. Now, for funsies, go look at where Stephen Weiss scored every single one of his goals so far this season. It'll be a hoot.

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The Wings allowed far too much room at the points and that costed us the game. Simple as that.

Correct.

Babcock demands that his wingers sag low in the d-zone and cut off passes between the forwards working low in our end and their defensemen up high at the points. Failing that, our wingers are supposed to get in the defensemen's shooting lanes, otherwise we're gonna see...well, what we saw tonight. Low to high, shot from the point, low to high, shot from the point, low to high, shot from the point. We weren't "cutting off the top," as Babcock calls it. We were chasing, fumbling, huffing and puffing, playing like morons. And the best/worst part? Their wingers did a great job of cutting off the top when we were operating in their end. We generated incredibly little sustained o-zone pressure because they were present and accounted for and using their eyes and ears and brains and sticks and bodies at the half-walls to limit the interplay between our forwards down low and our defensemen up high, and when our defensemen did have possession up high, they were great at blocking lanes and options and fronting shots. They had a plan and they executed it to perfection. We're not playing smart, not playing hungry, not executing, not bearing down for a full 60 minutes. We're phoning it in for the first half-hour then trying to pull some magic out of our collective butt in the third period. That's not winning hockey.

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Haha, even if you factor in special teams (Tatar and Weiss had more special team TOI) Glendening and Miller had more. If you look at their even strength time on ice only, Glendening and Miller had WAY more. Which makes sense, what with the fact that we were playing from behind the whole game...ugh.

Glendening took 17 faceoffs tonight, second only to Datsyuk who had 24*. Datsyuk was a respectable 50%, Glendening won 70% of his faceoffs. He won 12 and lost 5*.

Glendening only gets offensive zone starts 34% of the time*. That's the least amount of any regular player on the team. So it seems like he's Babcock's guy after Dats to win key faceoffs and maintain possession of the puck, particularly in his own end.

*I've been drinking so I can't be sure these stats are 100% correct

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Glendening took 17 faceoffs tonight, second only to Datsyuk who had 24. Datsyuk was a respectable 50%, Glendening won 70% of his faceoffs. He won 12 and lost 5.

Glendening only gets offensive zone starts 34% of the time. That's the last amount of any regular player on the team. So it seems like he's Babcock's guy after Dats to win key faceoffs and maintain possession of the puck, particularly in his own end.

Glendening is the prototypical fourth-line center of today's NHL. Very limited offensive ability, but - like you said - great in the faceoff circle, great on the defensive side of the puck, and capable of keeping the opposition's best players off the score sheet. It makes sense that he'd see more even strength ice time than usual in a game where we're getting our asses handed to us. Firstly, we're probably going to be taking a lot of d-zone draws. Secondly, you want your big guns out there as much as possible, but you also probably want to keep them away from the line that the opposing coach is trying to match against them, so you try to get your Luke Glendening out against that line and your big guns out against a lesser line. That's probably going to give you your best shot at erasing a deficit.

More than anything, though, I think Babcock just trusts Glendening. He knows what he's getting from him every night, he knows he can count on him to play some very tough minutes. He's consistent, reliable, hard-working, doesn't take a shift off. He's a stalwart. When most of your guys are running around like morons (see: tonight), having a Glendening and a Miller can be a really big deal. They can set a better tone. They can help keep the bottom from falling out. Didn't really happen tonight, I guess, but I don't think he was riding his two most offensively challenged forwards because he hates offense or what have you. Mike Babcock knows what he's doing.

Edited by Dabura

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