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nobody wanted him up until 5 mins before he was traded? Really? Go back through the oilers presser thread, I think there may even be a Perron thread. The truth is, a lot of people wanted him before, wondering what it would take to get him, until he gets traded elsewhere then he wasn't what the Wings needed anyways. If I had a dollar for every player that gets hyped up here during trade talks, then belittled after he gets traded somewhere else, I'd be a rich man.

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Perron is not what this team needs... Actually neither is any forward unless he's big and has scoring ability like Nash or Pacioretty

Guys come on we have unbelievable forward depth, Weiss is on the fourth line.. (not sure I agree with this, Weiss has as many points as Jurco in 20 less games played, liked Helm and Weiss together)

PMD is a much bigger need, most teams do the 3 and 3 for offensive and defensive defensemen, really glad the two we have so far can play D (Danny and Kronwall), we just need one more who can really put up the points. What would it take for Dale Tallon to give up Ekblad? (probably drugs and alcohol) On a more serious note, I never hated the Tyler Myers or Keith Yandle idea, or if we're going cheaper then maybe someone like Larsson, Zidlicky or Sekera. No to Petry, think KFQ in 2012-13 but with a slight edge as a RH

Speaking of PMD, our lame excuse for a PMD Kindl's back from injury his stock is probably at its peak, trade him for parts, addition by subtraction because he'll be off our powerplay unit and we can keep Dekeyser on it or put Smith on

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nobody wanted him up until 5 mins before he was traded? Really? Go back through the oilers presser thread, I think there may even be a Perron thread. The truth is, a lot of people wanted him before, wondering what it would take to get him, until he gets traded elsewhere then he wasn't what the Wings needed anyways. If I had a dollar for every player that gets hyped up here during trade talks, then belittled after he gets traded somewhere else, I'd be a rich man.

Show me one thread, one post, where Perron was hyped before the trade. You reek of BS.

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I don't have the time to spoon feed you, just do a search, there a few threads about the oilers that people talk about trade scenarios acquiring Perron.

BTW, could've used some offense last night, eh? Boy Franzen looked good....if you think Stage 4 cancer is good.

Listen, I already agreed that he may not be exactly what the Wings "need" but there is no harm in stacking your team with as much talent as you can, as long as you are under the cap and you don't overpay. Perron would've have cost very little, we would still have plenty of cap room and we'd have another scoring threat on this team. Would have been minimal loss even if he didn't improve our team too much, but at least make the effort. Nobody can be happy with the lack of O this team has. Every SO loss, it's "if we only scored more goals in regulation...blah, blah" You have an opportunity to acquire someone who can score goals over players that we have that cannot score, and all of a sudden he isnt what Detroit needs? Funny, plenty of hockey writers had Detroit has a possible destination for Perron after his comments in Edmonton weeks agos. But hey, I reek of BS, that's fine, I never know anything about hockey, I get it. I should have never statred watching and following hockey in 1979, man, I wasted my time because even though I have followed intensely since then, I still don't know what a good hockey player looks like. Damn...where's my Miroslav Frycer jersey at?

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I don't have the time to spoon feed you, just do a search, there a few threads about the oilers that people talk about trade scenarios acquiring Perron.

BTW, could've used some offense last night, eh? Boy Franzen looked good....if you think Stage 4 cancer is good.

Listen, I already agreed that he may not be exactly what the Wings "need" but there is no harm in stacking your team with as much talent as you can, as long as you are under the cap and you don't overpay. Perron would've have cost very little, we would still have plenty of cap room and we'd have another scoring threat on this team. Would have been minimal loss even if he didn't improve our team too much, but at least make the effort. Nobody can be happy with the lack of O this team has. Every SO loss, it's "if we only scored more goals in regulation...blah, blah" You have an opportunity to acquire someone who can score goals over players that we have that cannot score, and all of a sudden he isnt what Detroit needs? Funny, plenty of hockey writers had Detroit has a possible destination for Perron after his comments in Edmonton weeks agos. But hey, I reek of BS, that's fine, I never know anything about hockey, I get it. I should have never statred watching and following hockey in 1979, man, I wasted my time because even though I have followed intensely since then, I still don't know what a good hockey player looks like. Damn...where's my Miroslav Frycer jersey at?

I'm not going to squabble about Perron's ability, value, our need for him, whether he was linked to Detroit by media types, whether we here at LGW want him...

but... "would've cost very little" ...

I mean, sure, if you scoff at first round draft picks.

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Show me one thread, one post, where Perron was hyped before the trade. You reek of BS.

I've talked up Perron a few times.

This is a right-shot second-line winger who's good for 20+ goals. He can score, dangle, make plays. He plays a gritty game, likes to agitate, is a pain in the ass to play against. He's 26. His contract situation is pretty close to ideal, from the perspective of a team that's considering adding him.

That's a quality package for a late first-round pick. A good value. This is the kind of deal we should be looking to make. Fairly low risk, fairly high reward. A player who's likely to out-produce most of our forwards (we have four big guns). Secondary scoring. Scoring depth. Last night's game reminds us that we're a team that can really struggle to score goals.

This is all moot, of course. Yet, it's not. The point I'm making is not ZOMG DAVID PERRON!!!11 The point I'm making is, we (Ken Holland) should be looking at players/cases like Perron. We should be looking to make smart trades. We should be looking to take advantage of the Oilers, the Coyotes, et al. We should be looking to make our team as formidable as we possibly can. We should be proactive. We only have so many postseason runs with Datsyuk left. We can afford to move a late first-round pick. We can't afford to sit on our hands while conference rivals look to make meaningful improvements to their rosters.

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I don't have the time to spoon feed you, just do a search, there a few threads about the oilers that people talk about trade scenarios acquiring Perron.

BTW, could've used some offense last night, eh? Boy Franzen looked good....if you think Stage 4 cancer is good.

Listen, I already agreed that he may not be exactly what the Wings "need" but there is no harm in stacking your team with as much talent as you can, as long as you are under the cap and you don't overpay. Perron would've have cost very little, we would still have plenty of cap room and we'd have another scoring threat on this team. Would have been minimal loss even if he didn't improve our team too much, but at least make the effort. Nobody can be happy with the lack of O this team has. Every SO loss, it's "if we only scored more goals in regulation...blah, blah" You have an opportunity to acquire someone who can score goals over players that we have that cannot score, and all of a sudden he isnt what Detroit needs? Funny, plenty of hockey writers had Detroit has a possible destination for Perron after his comments in Edmonton weeks agos. But hey, I reek of BS, that's fine, I never know anything about hockey, I get it. I should have never statred watching and following hockey in 1979, man, I wasted my time because even though I have followed intensely since then, I still don't know what a good hockey player looks like. Damn...where's my Miroslav Frycer jersey at?

I did. There's nothing to spoon feed. There were a few posts mentioning he was on the block but that was it. No one responded to those posts saying they wanted him. In fact, you responded to one of the posts that said he was on the block with how much you wanted Petry, not Perron.

But you've secretly always wanted him this whole time right? BS

I've talked up Perron a few times.

This is a right-shot second-line winger who's good for 20+ goals. He can score, dangle, make plays. He plays a gritty game, likes to agitate, is a pain in the ass to play against. He's 26. His contract situation is pretty close to ideal, from the perspective of a team that's considering adding him.

That's a quality package for a late first-round pick. A good value. This is the kind of deal we should be looking to make. Fairly low risk, fairly high reward. A player who's likely to out-produce most of our forwards (we have four big guns). Secondary scoring. Scoring depth. Last night's game reminds us that we're a team that can really struggle to score goals.

This is all moot, of course. Yet, it's not. The point I'm making is not ZOMG DAVID PERRON!!!11 The point I'm making is, we (Ken Holland) should be looking at players/cases like Perron. We should be looking to make smart trades. We should be looking to take advantage of the Oilers, the Coyotes, et al. We should be looking to make our team as formidable as we possibly can. We should be proactive. We only have so many postseason runs with Datsyuk left. We can afford to move a late first-round pick. We can't afford to sit on our hands while conference rivals look to make meaningful improvements to their rosters.

Again with this crap, after you didn't respond to my last post about it.

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Stuart, Bertuzzi, Lang, Schneider, Chelios, Clark...

Maybe more.

Of the 6 you listed only two are post-cap era trade additions. People act like we used to wheel and deal our prospects for players in their prime, but we haven't done that post cap.

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Of the 6 you listed only two are post-cap era trade additions. People act like we used to wheel and deal our prospects for players in their prime, but we haven't done that post cap.

You might also include Quincey and Legwand. And the league hasn't changed so drastically that we can't still draw a comparison. No, we didn't do it all the time (even pre-cap), but neither has Pittsburgh.

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even Babcock says they need more offense. The entire point is there is nothing wrong with having more offense on your team. The Wings with Perron would be a team with more offense. Period. I never secretly wanted Perron here, but would welcome the change and attempt to make this team harder to keep off the scoreboard. With Abby, Franzen, Cleary, Andersson, etc...taking up valuable roster spots or lineup spots, you are stuck with the lack of offense with the occasional burst. Would Perron guarantee the Cup, no, but more offensive threat, absolutely.

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If they can't get offense from the players they have then it's a systems problem or the defense needs upgrades. It's not the forwards.

Our defense is the main issue, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider adding 26-year-old 20-goal scorers, especially if they're right shots. Like, this isn't a difficult concept. And it's not like we're adding a big-name defenseman anyway. It'll be a Petry, a Zidlicky. We could afford that and a Perron. Then we'd have a whopping three right-shooting impact players!

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/05/detroit-holds-early-scouting-meeting-absolutely-wants-two-or-three-more-right-shots/

“Would I like two or three more right shots? Absolutely, whether up front or on defense,” Holland said. “But there’s not a hockey store I can go.”

IF ONLY THERE WERE A HOCKEY STORE HE COULD GO TO! ALAS!

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Our defense is the main issue, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider adding 26-year-old 20-goal scorers, especially if they're right shots. Like, this isn't a difficult concept. And it's not like we're adding a big-name defenseman anyway. It'll be a Petry, a Zidlicky. We could afford that and a Perron. Then we'd have a whopping three right-shooting impact players!

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/05/detroit-holds-early-scouting-meeting-absolutely-wants-two-or-three-more-right-shots/

IF ONLY THERE WERE A HOCKEY STORE HE COULD GO TO! ALAS!

I disagree with this to a point (although I wouldn't mind swapping a left handed shooter for a right handed shooter). Adding 20 goal scorers is nice, but I don't think the issue with scoring comes down to who we have on forward, how our forwards are playing, or even the coaching schemes that they're playing under. The way I'm seeing our games play out, it all comes down to the fact that we don't have any real offensive threat aside from Kronwall from our defense. If you look at goals scored (or even points) from the blue line, the Wings are close to the bottom of the league, especially for a playoff team. Other teams know this and they're playing more aggressively down low in the defensive end instead of playing more tightly to our defenders, which gives our forwards less time and space to work with. (For the record I think this is more of the causative agent why the Wings are labeled as a perimeter offense team, and not the notion that we need more power forwards). And if we play it back to the blueline, they know as well as we do the puck likely isn't getting to the net. They can afford to give our defenders that extra second with the puck. I even think that our coaching staff has tried to adapt to this weakness by using our defense more as an outlet to get the puck from one side of the zone to the other, instead of forcing a shot through (I have no solid data or quotes to back this up, I've just noticed a lot more winger->defender->opposite winger/opposite defender plays than winger->defender-> shot on net plays this season. I could be entirely wrong on this). Anyway, if we spend the assets to get Perron, we're down those assets, we're down the roster player that Perron is replacing, we're down that chemistry the players have established until Perron gets comfortable, and there's no guarantee that Perron even gets comfortable in our system. And in light of how other teams defend against us, I'm not even confident saying that Perron is a 20 goal scorer here. Acquiring him certainly won't change how other teams defend against us, although it might make it easier to rip a one-timer from the half wall on the left side, or break out of our zone under pressure from the left side, which does have its values.

On the other hand, if we can somehow acquire someone who can, at the very least, put pucks on the net from the blue line with some consistency, I think we will see production go up throughout the entire team, because in addition to what the defender can make happen (goals, shots that are tipped in, etc) I think it will open up some space for our forwards as opposing wingers will have more to worry about from our blueline for them to cheat on their coverage.

So I guess my main beef is that I don't think acquiring Perron will make much of a difference in the trajectory of this team, and I'd rather see our assets go towards an offensive defensman, whom I do think can be a real difference maker.

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nobody wanted him up until 5 mins before he was traded? Really? Go back through the oilers presser thread, I think there may even be a Perron thread. The truth is, a lot of people wanted him before, wondering what it would take to get him, until he gets traded elsewhere then he wasn't what the Wings needed anyways. If I had a dollar for every player that gets hyped up here during trade talks, then belittled after he gets traded somewhere else, I'd be a rich man.

The truth is no one wanted him until he got traded. No one asked for him in the oilers presser thread, and there is no Perron thread.

I don't have the time to spoon feed you, just do a search, there a few threads about the oilers that people talk about trade scenarios acquiring Perron.

BTW, could've used some offense last night, eh? Boy Franzen looked good....if you think Stage 4 cancer is good.

Listen, I already agreed that he may not be exactly what the Wings "need" but there is no harm in stacking your team with as much talent as you can, as long as you are under the cap and you don't overpay. Perron would've have cost very little, we would still have plenty of cap room and we'd have another scoring threat on this team. Would have been minimal loss even if he didn't improve our team too much, but at least make the effort. Nobody can be happy with the lack of O this team has. Every SO loss, it's "if we only scored more goals in regulation...blah, blah" You have an opportunity to acquire someone who can score goals over players that we have that cannot score, and all of a sudden he isnt what Detroit needs? Funny, plenty of hockey writers had Detroit has a possible destination for Perron after his comments in Edmonton weeks agos. But hey, I reek of BS, that's fine, I never know anything about hockey, I get it. I should have never statred watching and following hockey in 1979, man, I wasted my time because even though I have followed intensely since then, I still don't know what a good hockey player looks like. Damn...where's my Miroslav Frycer jersey at?

There were no trade talk scenarios involving Perron before the trade in any threads, including the one where he was mentioned to be on the block,

even Babcock says they need more offense. The entire point is there is nothing wrong with having more offense on your team. The Wings with Perron would be a team with more offense. Period. I never secretly wanted Perron here, but would welcome the change and attempt to make this team harder to keep off the scoreboard. With Abby, Franzen, Cleary, Andersson, etc...taking up valuable roster spots or lineup spots, you are stuck with the lack of offense with the occasional burst. Would Perron guarantee the Cup, no, but more offensive threat, absolutely.

"If I had a dollar for every player that gets hyped up here during trade talks, then belittled after he gets traded somewhere else, I'd be a rich man."

Fixed: If I had a dollar for every player that gets zero attention here during trade talks, then hyped after he gets traded somewhere else, I'd be a rich man.

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I disagree with this to a point (although I wouldn't mind swapping a left handed shooter for a right handed shooter). Adding 20 goal scorers is nice, but I don't think the issue with scoring comes down to who we have on forward, how our forwards are playing, or even the coaching schemes that they're playing under. The way I'm seeing our games play out, it all comes down to the fact that we don't have any real offensive threat aside from Kronwall from our defense. If you look at goals scored (or even points) from the blue line, the Wings are close to the bottom of the league, especially for a playoff team. Other teams know this and they're playing more aggressively down low in the defensive end instead of playing more tightly to our defenders, which gives our forwards less time and space to work with. (For the record I think this is more of the causative agent why the Wings are labeled as a perimeter offense team, and not the notion that we need more power forwards). And if we play it back to the blueline, they know as well as we do the puck likely isn't getting to the net. They can afford to give our defenders that extra second with the puck. I even think that our coaching staff has tried to adapt to this weakness by using our defense more as an outlet to get the puck from one side of the zone to the other, instead of forcing a shot through (I have no solid data or quotes to back this up, I've just noticed a lot more winger->defender->opposite winger/opposite defender plays than winger->defender-> shot on net plays this season. I could be entirely wrong on this). Anyway, if we spend the assets to get Perron, we're down those assets, we're down the roster player that Perron is replacing, we're down that chemistry the players have established until Perron gets comfortable, and there's no guarantee that Perron even gets comfortable in our system. And in light of how other teams defend against us, I'm not even confident saying that Perron is a 20 goal scorer here. Acquiring him certainly won't change how other teams defend against us, although it might make it easier to rip a one-timer from the half wall on the left side, or break out of our zone under pressure from the left side, which does have its values.

On the other hand, if we can somehow acquire someone who can, at the very least, put pucks on the net from the blue line with some consistency, I think we will see production go up throughout the entire team, because in addition to what the defender can make happen (goals, shots that are tipped in, etc) I think it will open up some space for our forwards as opposing wingers will have more to worry about from our blueline for them to cheat on their coverage.

So I guess my main beef is that I don't think acquiring Perron will make much of a difference in the trajectory of this team, and I'd rather see our assets go towards an offensive defensman, whom I do think can be a real difference maker.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about adding an offensive defenseman. We struggle to score primarily because our defensemen struggle to move the puck and shoot the puck and put up points. Ericsson is a shutdown defenseman. Quincey is a shutdown defenseman. DeKeyser is a shutdown defenseman. We want to play the way we played in '08 and '09, but we don't have the blue line for it. We had one straight-up shutdown defenseman in that top four (Stuart) and three all-star offensive defensemen (Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall). Now we just have Kronwall. That's not nearly good enough. That's why we run around in our end. It's why we trudge through the middle of the ice, often settling for just clearing the red line so we can dump it in and get a line change. It's why our power play often sucks. It's why we aren't a high-scoring team.

But we also don't have enough scoring depth up front. Even when we had Lidstrom and Rafalski and we'd just won the Cup, we thought it was worth adding Hossa. That gave us Datsyuk in his prime, Zetterberg in his prime, Franzen in his prime, Hossa in his prime, and good secondary scorers in Samuelsson, Cleary, and Filppula. (And even then, we came up short that year.) At present, we have an old Datsyuk, and old Zetterberg, Nyquist (can he be a major factor in the playoffs?), Tatar (can he be a major factor in the playoffs?), and sometimes an old Franzen (when he feels like showing up). Jurco is a possession monster, but he's not a significant scoring threat (yet). Helm's not a goal scorer. Abdelkader's having a career year, but he's not a goal scorer. Miller and Glendening don't score. The jury's out on Weiss. Sheahan's a stud, but he's not a goal scorer. I get that adding a scoring winger isn't going to fix this team's fundamental problems, but there's no such thing as too much scoring depth. If we're not going to put our late first-round pick towards a top-end defenseman like Yandle, if we're not going to use it on a rental like Green, if we're going to use it to select a pimple-faced teenager who won't be a real factor for the Wings until 2019, I think we should consider adding a gritty right-shot scoring winger. If we're loading up for a deep run (and I'm not sure that we are), better safe than sorry. Depth, depth, depth. It matters.

And at some point we do have to add some righties. That's another reason why we don't move the puck as well as we'd like - everyone's a left shot. It's a wonder we move the puck as well as we do, actually.

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You might also include Quincey and Legwand. And the league hasn't changed so drastically that we can't still draw a comparison. No, we didn't do it all the time (even pre-cap), but neither has Pittsburgh.

You might not want to include Quincey OR Legwand because most people don't think those were worth a damn. :lol:

I will disagree that the league hasn't changed drastically.

The previous (2005) and current CBA have changed the way that franchises build a contender/perennial playoff team and it has been DRASTIC.

At least for those that are building the teams, and especially after some GMs had some lessons learned along the way.

Simply:

Big purses don't buy teams anymore. (That should be obvious to us, if no other fan-base in the league)

Not having a balance between building/developing through the draft and trading to get what you need is foolish.

Sure, you can still just trade, trade, trade... but what happens when the bottom falls out.

Do you trade away your star players? Trade away Malkin? Trade away Crosby?

Bottom out for a couple years for those next up and coming franchise players? (TANK IT!!)

I wouldn't want to root for that team, but hey... Pittsburgh has done it before to their fan-base.

As far as the Pens and their trading, since 2008 when Shero was at the helm for the Pens, he made 43 trades to build to their perennial playoff team that has won exactly one cup -- in that same time period Holland made 14 trades.

Just to play devil's advocate to my own argument -- Dean Lombardi made 53. ...but the types of trades he made vs. the types of trades Holland and Shero made are astounding and a lot of them are before the Kings were even a regular playoff team. I didn't see how many Holmgren made... but that resulted in how many cups for Philly in that time period?

(I know all three of these guys were in place before then, but this specific time period encompasses a time that was most reflective of post-'05 CBA, when they were initially building for Cup wins up to present/time they got fired.)

EDITs: Clarity

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Don't get me wrong, I'm all about adding an offensive defenseman. We struggle to score primarily because our defensemen struggle to move the puck and shoot the puck and put up points. Ericsson is a shutdown defenseman. Quincey is a shutdown defenseman. DeKeyser is a shutdown defenseman. We want to play the way we played in '08 and '09, but we don't have the blue line for it. We had one straight-up shutdown defenseman in that top four (Stuart) and three all-star offensive defensemen (Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall). Now we just have Kronwall. That's not nearly good enough. That's why we run around in our end. It's why we trudge through the middle of the ice, often settling for just clearing the red line so we can dump it in and get a line change. It's why our power play often sucks. It's why we aren't a high-scoring team.

But we also don't have enough scoring depth up front. Even when we had Lidstrom and Rafalski and we'd just won the Cup, we thought it was worth adding Hossa. That gave us Datsyuk in his prime, Zetterberg in his prime, Franzen in his prime, Hossa in his prime, and good secondary scorers in Samuelsson, Cleary, and Filppula. (And even then, we came up short that year.) At present, we have an old Datsyuk, and old Zetterberg, Nyquist (can he be a major factor in the playoffs?), Tatar (can he be a major factor in the playoffs?), and sometimes an old Franzen (when he feels like showing up). Jurco is a possession monster, but he's not a significant scoring threat (yet). Helm's not a goal scorer. Abdelkader's having a career year, but he's not a goal scorer. Miller and Glendening don't score. The jury's out on Weiss. Sheahan's a stud, but he's not a goal scorer. I get that adding a scoring winger isn't going to fix this team's fundamental problems, but there's no such thing as too much scoring depth. If we're not going to put our late first-round pick towards a top-end defenseman like Yandle, if we're not going to use it on a rental like Green, if we're going to use it to select a pimple-faced teenager who won't be a real factor for the Wings until 2019, I think we should consider adding a gritty right-shot scoring winger. If we're loading up for a deep run (and I'm not sure that we are), better safe than sorry. Depth, depth, depth. It matters.

And at some point we do have to add some righties. That's another reason why we don't move the puck as well as we'd like - everyone's a left shot. It's a wonder we move the puck as well as we do, actually.

Agree about the defenseman.

I've been beating this point to death lately but when I watch other teams I realize how often defenseman usually get shots on net from the point and how crucial that is. I've just gotten used to the Wings not being able to do it.

I think Dekeyser is playing great overall, but his slapshot swing is so awkward it looks like he's gonna fall over half the time. Ericsson's windup is slow as molasses. Kronwall has turned into the new shinpad assassin.

It's always great to have depth up front, but I have to think that the most beneficial move is getting a right handed defenseman who can move the puck and get shots through from the point. It's pathetic right now.

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It's always great to have depth up front, but I have to think that the most beneficial move is getting a right handed defenseman who can move the puck and get shots through from the point. It's pathetic right now.

Getting that defenseman has to be the priority. But I feel the only way we're getting a defenseman is if Kenny is very, very comfortable with the player and the asking price and the contract situation - otherwise, he's just going to stand pat. So, our pool probably looks something like this:

Franson

Methot

Michalek

Petry

Robidas

Salo

Zidlicky

(I was gonna add more names, but my soul started hurting.)

Carlson, Barrie, Ellis, Savard, Krug, Hamilton, Faulk, Vatanen, Yandle, Ekman-Larsson, Wideman, Byfuglien, Myers - I think these guys are probably pipe dreams. I think it's pretty safe to say that Mike Green isn't happening.

Point being, we should also be looking at forwards. If we're not going to go big on defense (and it's in no way a given that we're going to add anyone on defense), we should consider adding a scoring forward. That Kenny asked about Perron (assuming that source is legit) is, to me, somewhat encouraging.

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My pipe dream is that the Leafs continue to fall in the standings like they usually do around this time of year, and we make a trade for Cody Franson. I would give up a significant amount if we could land him, knowing that he would resign in the offseason. I've wanted him in the Winged Wheel since his days in Nashville... He's exactly what this team needs on the back end. Big, physical body, that clears the front of the net, hits a ton, blocks a ton of shots, can quarterback a power-play unit, has a heavy shot and shoots right handed...

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I thought Franson didn't want to be there? Hence his contract negotiations being so contentious. I was under the impression that he was just signing one year deals over and over until he was no longer an RFA.

You've got it backwards.

Franson wanted a long-term deal. Leafs had limited cap-space and couldn't/wouldn't take the risk.

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