gdt 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

[joesuffP 1,746]

And he still almost scored... But honestly, nobody flushed this game down the toilet more than Kronwall at the end of the game with the goalie pulled. Game over after he got the puck where we wanted him to get it inexcusable

[number9 3,297]

Kronwall is clearly a bottom pairing D-man at best. Please trade him for Petry our lord and savior.

[sjr2012 439]

Kronwall is clearly a bottom pairing D-man at best. Please trade him for Petry our lord and savior.

I wouldn't go that far but he does need someone to elevate him better like a Yandle or a Myer not a Ericsson

[datterberg1340 626]

Kronwall is clearly a bottom pairing D-man at best. Please trade him for Petry our lord and savior.

Finally! Someone starts talking some sense around here

[joesuffP 1,746]

Kronwall is clearly a bottom pairing D-man at best. Please trade him for Petry our lord and savior.

Kronwall blew this game. Other teams #1 defensemen are noticeable in a good way night in night out. The only consistent thing I notice about Kronwall is how he manages to hit anything but the net

[Desert Rat 78]

I cant believe Babcock won't just tie an eight foot rope from the goalpost to Franzens ankle in practice. Make this guy back into a net front player.

The thing that got him believing he could score goals was when Homer went down with an injury in 08 and Franzen was told to park it in front of the goalie.

Watching him tonight was brutal, he loses most battles for the puck and can't hit the net to save his life. He truly needs something drastic like someone said, a public call out or something.

Edited January 4, 2015 by Desert Rat

[trule23 119]

well don't count them out yet there coming and things always heat up after the All star game we could e looking at a whole different side of the playoff picture come April

oh i know i gurantee they make the playoffs just sayin they suck right now haha

im tellin you guys babcock is awesome but he needs to go he just doesnt work here anymore, i said this at the beginning of the season and everyone thought i was on heizenbergs meth.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

has Franzen got a NTC ? the problem is that the Mule is on target for 55-60 pt season and hence Kennys talk that at his cap hit

of just under $4m youd be hard pressed to get the same return for less money.

Well maybe we dont have to go outside the org to get a like for like.

700 games and 450pts for the Wings, Kenny isn't moving him anywhere in a hurry. But Babs needs to somehow ignite his ass.

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

Seems like everyone is acting like the Wings got skunked 8-0. Yes the final was not flattering but it was padded with two EN goals. For 50 of the 60 minutes the Wings were the better team by quite a bit. The one reason they lost is because Miller played out of his mind last night. When one of the hottest goalies in the league has that performance you just have to tip your cap and move on. They played ok and far better than the Boston game.

I will agree that though that Franzen is lazy and he sucks.

Edited January 4, 2015 by GoalieManPat

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Nothing good happens with Franzen out there. Vacated the right point off the faceoff for some unknown reason.

I don't get how in all this time that Franzen has essentially 'clocked out' of being a factor for this team on most nights, no one has ever really called him out on it, I mean from the coaching staff and/or players

It's always crap like, 'Yeah, 'ol Mule's gotta get going, we need him out there' and generic stuff like that- perhaps more is said behind closed doors, but if it is, it still isn't getting through

I wish a coach and/or teammate would publicly call him out, might wake his despondent ass up

No reason to complain Holland did have the chance to buy him out in the of season but they've opted not to do so, this contract looks bad now just wait for the next months, years.... will look horrible by then. This is nothing against the Mule, people thought he could turn into something he just isn't which would be a hulking, physical goal scoring machine that can screen goaltenders.

If someone needs to get called out it would be Holland for not buying him out as I've said. Oh yeah it could have hurt the streak so cars the goal is to win the cup and not to barely make the playoffs and getting bounced in the 1 or 2 round at best.

Babcock has to play down to the talent of the given roster an all offense style works only if a team had the right players for it or as long as the opponent hasn't figured out how to counter it. In terms of the wings it's intimidation and take away space from the two remaining stars of a much better Wings team.

So the best way to win with lesser talent is to play a defense first style..

[kipwinger 8,522]

So, aside from all the "Player X sucks" stuff that usually happens after a loss, anyone want to give me a recap? I missed the game last night, though I see that it was basically another 2-1 game until the empty netters.

Also, Helen St. James was just talking about trading Tatar for Tyler Myers. Lol.

[brett 1,029]

I'll admit I was wrong about Franzen I thought he was going to have a good year. I was very wrong. Let Weiss take his spot

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Franzen is 35. Did people think he was going to be faster this season, or more determined?

His career is only going to decline as it does for others his age. Holland should have moved him several years ago.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

So, aside from all the "Player X sucks" stuff that usually happens after a loss, anyone want to give me a recap? I missed the game last night, though I see that it was basically another 2-1 game until the empty netters.

Also, Helen St. James was just talking about trading Tatar for Tyler Myers. Lol.

Wings did carry the play for a lot of the game. Miller robbed them of several chances that looked like sure goals.

Howard played well too. He stopped a couple breakaways and other great chances.

Sheahan looked great, per usual. Nyquist got moved up with him and Tatar. Weiss remains glued to the bench. The defenseman fired multiple shots from the point into opponents' shin pads. Franzen remains invisible.

The refs were calling pretty soft penalties both ways. Kassian had one of the dives of the year, but naturally they still gave Franzen 2 minutes for tripping in spite of the dive. Canucks capitalized on their power plays, the Wings did not.

Really the biggest difference was Miller.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Would like to see Tatar play with Z, and Nyquist play with Datsyuk.

Tatar - Zetterberg - Jurco

Nyquist - Datsyuk - Abby / Weiss

Franzen - Sheahan - Weiss / Abby

Miller - Glen - Helm

Edit:

Seen this Posted somewhere else. Our D provides no offense at all.

since Nov 30:

Ericsson: 2pts, -3
Quincey: 3pts, +5
Kronwall: 7pts, even
DeKeyser: 6pts, +3
Ouellet: 0pts, even
Kindl: 3pts, -5

Smith 1pt, -6

Edited January 4, 2015 by darkmanx

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Looks like I picked the right game to not watch.

[ShanahanMan 473]

Just you watch. We are totally gonna be THAT team that gets spanked by the Oilers.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Wings did carry the play for a lot of the game. Miller robbed them of several chances that looked like sure goals.

Howard played well too. He stopped a couple breakaways and other great chances.

Sheahan looked great, per usual. Nyquist got moved up with him and Tatar. Weiss remains glued to the bench. The defenseman fired multiple shots from the point into opponents' shin pads. Franzen remains invisible.

The refs were calling pretty soft penalties both ways. Kassian had one of the dives of the year, but naturally they still gave Franzen 2 minutes for tripping in spite of the dive. Canucks capitalized on their power plays, the Wings did not.

Really the biggest difference was Miller.

Thanks for the recap. It's easy to look up the stats, but I'm usually more interested in finding out HOW we got the stats we did (i.e. who carried the play, who looked good, did the goalie stand on his head, etc.).

[Dabura 12,207]

Miller stood on his head, our special teams failed us, and man oh man oh man do we need help on the back end.

[RedWingsRox 614]

Older brother always gets up for games with younger bro.

What's with the Swedish conspiracy to give Sedin two EN goals so that he can hit 200 ??!!

Edited January 4, 2015 by RedWingsRox

[joesuffP 1,746]

It should also be mentioned we were poised for a nice comeback, the game was 2-1, we had the goalie pulled and Canucks had iced the puck and didn't take a timeout. We won the face-off cleanly and the puck went back to Kronwall who then proceeded to pass to nobody and the puck exited our zone and the Canucks scored an empty netter. Game over

[kipwinger 8,522]

Miller stood on his head, our special teams failed us, and man oh man oh man do we need help on the back end.

I hope that we don't need opposing goalies and special teams to suck in order to win close games. Because you know who has really good goalies and special teams? Every single playoff team. It doesn't bode well for our chances of success if we can only win when we score a couple powerplay goals a game on some garbage goalie.

[Dabura 12,207]

It should also be mentioned we were poised for a nice comeback, the game was 2-1, we had the goalie pulled and Canucks had iced the puck and didn't take a timeout. We won the face-off cleanly and the puck went back to Kronwall who then proceeded to pass to nobody and the puck exited our zone and the Canucks scored an empty netter. Game over

I couldn't believe we followed up Tatar's goal the way we did. "Hey, let's just kind of jerk around on our half of the ice and make sure Jimmy can't make his way to the bench. It's not like the game's on the line and we're killing valuable clock. Oh, wait." As soon as we'd gained possession off the faceoff, we should've been thinking offensive zone faceoff. Gain their zone with possession, fire it on net, force a freeze and a faceoff. Simple. Instead, it took a fortuitous icing for us to get the o-zone faceoff. That shouldn't have been the case. Jimmy should've been slamming his stick on the ice, telling the skaters in front of him to wake the hell up.

I hope that we don't need opposing goalies and special teams to suck in order to win close games. Because you know who has really good goalies and special teams? Every single playoff team. It doesn't bode well for our chances of success if we can only win when we score a couple powerplay goals a game on some garbage goalie.

We don't need opposing goalies and special teams to suck. Not sure why that'd be your takeaway from this game. It was just One of Those Nights. Though, actually, even with nothing going our way and every Wings defenseman not named Ouellet having a rough night, it was essentially a 2-1 loss, a close game that could've gone either way.

[kipwinger 8,522]

I couldn't believe we followed up Tatar's goal the way we did. "Hey, let's just kind of jerk around on our half of the ice and make sure Jimmy can't make his way to the bench. It's not like the game's on the line and we're killing valuable clock. Oh, wait." As soon as we'd gained possession off the faceoff, we should've been thinking offensive zone faceoff. Gain their zone with possession, fire it on net, force a freeze and a faceoff. Simple. Instead, it took a fortuitous icing for us to get the o-zone faceoff. That shouldn't have been the case. Jimmy should've been slamming his stick on the ice, telling the skaters in front of him to wake the hell up.

We don't need opposing goalies and special teams to suck. Not sure why that'd be your takeaway from this game. It was just One of Those Nights. Though, actually, even with nothing going our way and every Wings defenseman not named Ouellet having a rough night, it was essentially a 2-1 loss, a close game that could've gone either way.

Not sure if you noticed but we don't win close games. Before last night, of games decided by one goal, we've lost 12 and won 7. Of the games decided by more than one goal, we've won 11 and lost 6. Of the seven close games we won, four were against non playoff teams. Playoff teams nearly unanimously beat us in close games.

I'm not overly confident that close games can "go either way".

[chaps80 1,591]

It should also be mentioned we were poised for a nice comeback, the game was 2-1, we had the goalie pulled and Canucks had iced the puck and didn't take a timeout. We won the face-off cleanly and the puck went back to Kronwall who then proceeded to pass to nobody and the puck exited our zone and the Canucks scored an empty netter. Game over

I thought Kronwall tried to pass to Franzen, who of course made no effort to accept it? lol