krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Khan is speculating that Pulkkinen may be called up to replace Jurco. If that's the case I'm going to be pissed... I really wish Andersson would just be removed from this team already. He is a scrub that provides absolutely nothing that any other player in our organization can't... 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Khan is speculating that Pulkkinen may be called up to replace Jurco. If that's the case I'm going to be pissed... I really wish Andersson would just be removed from this team already. He is a scrub that provides absolutely nothing that any other player in our organization can't... Jurco has been hitting, and that's about it, and even his hitting is trailing off a bit. Andersson has been better, which is disappointing because I thought Jurco was ready to be an NHL player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Khan is speculating that Pulkkinen may be called up to replace Jurco. If that's the case I'm going to be pissed... I really wish Andersson would just be removed from this team already. He is a scrub that provides absolutely nothing that any other player in our organization can't... He might be a scrub but he's OUR scrub, dammit!! yeah, I'd much rather see jurco in the lineup too. but I'll trust babs' judgement on who should be replaced.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 He might be a scrub but he's OUR scrub, dammit!! yeah, I'd much rather see jurco in the lineup too. but I'll trust babs' judgement on who should be replaced.... Can we just start calling Andersson Emdog from now on? I miss me some emdog. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Dickie, he hasn't been playing great because he's been put into a checking role. That isn't his game. Babcock thought just because he's big that he should be a checker... that's ridiculous. He needs to be put in a scoring role with linemates that he can actually play with. And despite Jurco not producing, no Andersson has not been better in any aspect of the game... 3 twopups, Detroit \# 1 Fan and Jesusberg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 I tend to agree with most of the points made in this article: http://thehockeywriters.com/its-time-to-give-tomas-jurco-a-chance/ Jurco can produce more than he is right now, especially considering the minutes he's getting. You can't really expect much offensive out of him in his current role. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 well whatever some might think of Andy he has racked up 150 games for the Wings so he must be doing something right in the eyes of those that matter at headoffice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Andy is a different type of role player than jurco.. and I agree jurco isn't getting a fair chance minute/role wise to maximize his potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeff48109 474 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 looks like Jurco might be the man out? from khan, lines: Abdelkader-Zetterberg-Pulkkinen Tatar-Datsyuk-Jurco (for Helm) Nyquist-Sheahan-Weiss Miller-Andersson-Glendening Cleary rotating in 1 martinezsvsu reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) From Khan... (Beat me to it^^ )Abdelkader-Zetterberg-PulkkinenTatar-Datsyuk-Jurco (for Helm)Nyquist-Sheahan-WeissMiller-Andersson-GlendeningCleary rotating in I like Pulkkinen with Z, but if Mike actually sits Jurco for that immobile dud 18, I'm gonna be pissed. Edited February 17, 2015 by Detroit # 1 Fan 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Throwing Pulkkinen right on that top line...I know Gus has slowed down, but I'm surprised to see Teemu there. I wonder if there's something to the whole "showcasing" theory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Can we just start calling Andersson Emdog from now on? I miss me some emdog. Speaking of emdog.. the khl seems to be giving him a warm welcome.... 20-year-old Alexei Kudreman assaulted former Detroit Red Wings forward Cory Emmerton with 4 seconds left in regulation in a good old-fashioned Vityaz way. Emmerton had to get 5 stitches for laceration received during the incident. Hes currently being diagnosed for concussion. http://faceoffcircle.ca/2015/02/15/cory-emmerton-gets-assaulted-khl-game-criminal-charges-may-follow/ 1 number9 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Put Helm in place of Andersson and those lines would look great... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Dickie, he hasn't been playing great because he's been put into a checking role. That isn't his game. Babcock thought just because he's big that he should be a checker... that's ridiculous. He needs to be put in a scoring role with linemates that he can actually play with. And despite Jurco not producing, no Andersson has not been better in any aspect of the game... Nothing to do with his size, and he has had opportunities in a scoring role. He's spent time on every line this year. He's just in that situation where he has to produce when he does get those opportunities or they'll disappear (possibly even before the game ends). Babs just isn't very lenient when it comes to offensive kids. On the other side, Abby has been a fair success, Helm has been ok, so Glenny got that role on the 3rd line. While that line didn't produced many goals, I'd say they looked good and produced a lot of opportunities. Just wasn't any other spot for Jurco. Maybe with the shakeup from Pulks coming in, it will eventually result in another chance in a better spot for Jurco. Or maybe Pulks will get the hook and those two will have to fight for the 4th line spot. One thing is for sure; he either needs a lot of injuries to force Babs' hand or he needs to do something himself to earn a better spot. Throwing Pulkkinen right on that top line...I know Gus has slowed down, but I'm surprised to see Teemu there. I wonder if there's something to the whole "showcasing" theory. Nah, never really seen anything to suggest the Wings would operate that way. Only showcasing in the sense of our management wants to see what he can do. Jurco, Tatar, and Nyquist all had that same opportunity, and I would expect Pulks will be on a short leash just as they were. If he looks good he'll stay there, if he looks out of place or the line struggles he'll be gone by the 2nd period (and that's assuming he even gets the chance in a game). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Dickie, he hasn't been playing great because he's been put into a checking role. That isn't his game. Babcock thought just because he's big that he should be a checker... that's ridiculous. He needs to be put in a scoring role with linemates that he can actually play with. And despite Jurco not producing, no Andersson has not been better in any aspect of the game... He had a scoring role and didn't score. 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Yup, for a couple games. Abdelkader had a scoring role for about two seasons before he started to score... and he's not again now... So what? I'm one of the few on here that said that Jurco should have spent another season down in Grand Rapids and I still think he should have / should be. Jurco is a skilled forward, and he should not be playing in a checking role. I'm afraid that the Wings rare mismanagement of a prospect could be stunting the growth of a very special player in this situation... 2 Rick D and twopups reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Jurco may need to go back down, honestly. Let him get some confidence, come back up and be a scoring line winger 2 amato and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Yup, for a couple games. Abdelkader had a scoring role for about two seasons before he started to score... and he's not again now... So what? I'm one of the few on here that said that Jurco should have spent another season down in Grand Rapids and I still think he should have / should be. Jurco is a skilled forward, and he should not be playing in a checking role. I'm afraid that the Wings rare mismanagement of a prospect could be stunting the growth of a very special player in this situation... Abby's role wasn't necessarily to score. He dug the puck out in corners and got D and Z the puck and created space for them. The line produced even though he didn't score. That's why he kept his spot. Agree on Jurco. Can they still send him down? I know technically they can, but I'm not sure it's really a good thing now. Hopefully he can find his form again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,520 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 I honestly don't think this will help. I like teemu well enough. But we've got perimeter scoring. We need scoring from the crease. Abby has been a stud, but when he's off we don't have any power scorers. Which is why I liked Stafford as a deadline acquisition. Our offense is good, it just needs a different look. Not more of the same IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted February 17, 2015 Showcase for Yandle. Make it happen, Ken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted February 18, 2015 Yup, for a couple games. Abdelkader had a scoring role for about two seasons before he started to score... and he's not again now... So what? I'm one of the few on here that said that Jurco should have spent another season down in Grand Rapids and I still think he should have / should be. Jurco is a skilled forward, and he should not be playing in a checking role. I'm afraid that the Wings rare mismanagement of a prospect could be stunting the growth of a very special player in this situation... Jurco was playing on a scoring line for most of the season. Not in the top 6, but the third lines he was on had guys who could score a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 18, 2015 ... and that's where he got the majority of his points. Bottom line is, Jurco is NOT a checking forward, he is a skilled forward. He is not going to produce much with the likes of Glendening, Miller and Andersson. Hell, even Datsyuk would struggle putting up points with those guys... I don't get why Babs always has to make it difficult on his players... Maybe there is some sort of method to his madness, but it's often times very difficult to understand. Jurco is a skilled forward, put him with skilled players, Weiss is a skilled forward, put him with skilled players, Glendening is a great checking forward, put him on a checking line, Andersson is a borderline NHL player, put him on the bench, put these players in a position where they can succeed for f***s sake... Anyway, back on topic... I'm happy to see Pulkkinen is being put on a line with some skilled players, (although I'd prefer to see him on Datsyuk's wing) let's just see how long that lasts... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted February 18, 2015 ... and that's where he got the majority of his points. Bottom line is, Jurco is NOT a checking forward, he is a skilled forward. He is not going to produce much with the likes of Glendening, Miller and Andersson. Hell, even Datsyuk would struggle putting up points with those guys... I don't get why Babs always has to make it difficult on his players... Maybe there is some sort of method to his madness, but it's often times very difficult to understand. Jurco is a skilled forward, put him with skilled players, Weiss is a skilled forward, put him with skilled players, Glendening is a great checking forward, put him on a checking line, Andersson is a borderline NHL player, put him on the bench, put these players in a position where they can succeed for f***s sake... Anyway, back on topic... I'm happy to see Pulkkinen is being put on a line with some skilled players, (although I'd prefer to see him on Datsyuk's wing) let's just see how long that lasts... Here's the thing. I don't think it's so much Babs trying to make it difficult for Jurco, as it is that this team is deep up front. I think you can say he sometimes makes life hard for Tatar, especially last season. Babcock pushes Tats more than anyone, because he sees a potential, budding superstar. I don't even think there's room for him to put Jurco through that process at the moment. Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Nyquist, Tatar, Abdelkader and Helm have pretty much held down top six spots with Franzen rotating in there when he was healthy, too. Without Mule around, Weiss-Sheahan-Jurco should be this team's 3rd line, on a regular basis. I thought Luke looked good at times during the whole 3rd line, RW experiment thing, but in my opinion, that's Jurco's spot. This honestly might be a case where Jurco would have been better served starting in the AHL for another season. The argument for each side is something like: "He's better off playing every night in the AHL, than sitting in the NHL." "Yeah, but he's learned all he can down there. It's better that he plays against NHL talent every night." Well, he's not sitting, but he's playing in a lesser role and the competition he's facing isn't all that great. It's not the exact same situation, but it kind of reminds me of Tom Wilson on the Caps. He's stuck behind guys like Brouwer, Ward and whoever plays on their top line with Ovechkin (Johansson, Burakovsky, etc). They're got their 2012, 1st round pick in an enforcer role on their 4th line. Several Caps fans I've spoken to, and just taking a quick look online now, fans mention that Wilson's offensive game has regressed quite a bit. It remains to be seen what happens with him - chances are he bumps up and Ward leaves next season. Point being, it may have been a better decision to leave Jurco down the AHL this season, and have Callahan up instead. It would have been against "weaker" competition in the AHL, but he'd most likely be on a line with Miele-Pulkkinen. I think that would have done more for his offensive game than sitting on Detroit's 4th line is right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 18, 2015 Jesusberg, I'm not sure why you directed all that at me. It's like you're trying to convince me that Jurco should be down in Grand Rapids, when you know just as well as anyone here that I was one of the few advocating that Jurco spend another half to full season down in Grand Rapids. There's not a question in my mind that his game would have benefited, and he would be further along in his development with more time in the AHL, and I'm starting to wonder if him being rushed into the NHL hasn't stunted his development a little. Like I've said before, I kind of feel that this has been a rare case of mismanagement of a very promising prospect by the Red Wings... He should have absolutely been down with the Griffs on a line with Pulkkinen all season, and if he were, they would have definitely been 1 / 2 in scoring, ripping up the American League. I also agree that Callahan would have been the better option to have up here, but that's more in place of Andersson, not Jurco. As for Babcock pushing players like Tatar. I'm well aware of that, and that's what I feel he is doing with Jurco as well. Like I said, maybe there is a method to his madness, but sometimes it is very hard to see as a fan, when you watch a player struggle in a role that he shouldn't have been put in in the first place. Maybe Jurco does benefit from Babcock's "tough love" and it makes him stronger mentally and helps round out his game... who knows... I also said he should be with scoring players, and that includes playing on a third line with Sheahan and Weiss or whoever. I just don't believe he should be on the 4th line in a grinding role with the likes of Glendening, Miller and Andersson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,520 Report post Posted February 18, 2015 Jurco will be fine. He's on a nearly identical developmental trajectory as Abby. As I've said over and over, he's expected to play a type of game in the NHL that he's never played in his life...without the benefit of learning it at the AHL level first. It's going to take some time for him to produce consistent offense. But that doesn't mean he won't. Mark my words, by the time he's Abby's age he'll be a consistent 50 pts. player. In the mean time, he'll play very solid defense, he'll be physical, and he'll work hard. All of that will serve him well a few years down the line. p.s. All of this applies to Mantha too. Just wait and see. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
