Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

[Yzerfan87 146]

So, just to add fuel to the fire, the Edmonton Journal posted this. http://www.edmontonjournal.com/touch/story.html?id=10723563

[amato 3,210]

So, just to add fuel to the fire, the Edmonton Journal posted this. http://www.edmontonjournal.com/touch/story.html?id=10723563

Just read this too. Whether the wings make a deal for him or not, it sounds like they're dealing him no matter what.

My guess is he goes to the pens at the trade deadline for too much then signs in detroit next off season. Although I hope we get him at the deadline.

This article makes it sound like a 2nd or 3rd and a mid range prospect probably gets the job done. Should be interesting.

[daniel1 32]

Petry's a legitimate top-four defenseman. If we're being honest, we have exactly one defenseman who's clearly better than Petry.

We (Holland) really missed the boat on Leddy and Boychuck... they would have made a great 2nd pairing here for years to come. If we're waiting for Sproul/Marchenko/Jensen to play to that level it's at least 5 yrs down the road. We need some D'men to bridge that gap now if we're going to seriously contend in the playoffs. Petry would be a great start but I think we need at least one other top 4 D too and from what I've seen up to this point Smith and Kindl should be moved to make room.

[Dabura 12,207]

DeKeyser and Kronwall and Ericsson are all better than Petry.

Kronwall, yes. DeKeyser and Ericsson, debatable. He definitely has Ericsson beat in the puck-movement, possession, and usefulness-on-the-PP categories.

[Dabura 12,207]

Let me put it this way: if DeKeyser and Ericsson were lifelong Oilers, we wouldn't be singing their praises. If Petry were a lifelong Red Wing, we'd probably like him quite a bit.

Look into Petry's underlying numbers and such. He faces the opposition's best players every night and holds his own, on a godawful team. He skates well enough, moves the puck well enough, has an underrated shot from the point, is more physical than people think, and can put up decent point totals. He's a top-four defenseman in the prime of his career, and I think it's very possible he could work well with Kronwall on our first pairing.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Nhlnetwork just said petry would be a good bottom pairing d man for a contender.

[Euro_Twins 4,476]

Nhlnetwork just said petry would be a good bottom pairing d man for a contender.

Lol. Top 4 on the wings

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Lol. Top 4 on the wings

Probably..

Watch, well trade for him and whoever we send their way will end up thriving on the top pair, and petry won't even be a regular in our lineup....

[Euro_Twins 4,476]

Probably..

Watch, well trade for him and whoever we send their way will end up thriving on the top pair, and petry won't even be a regular in our lineup....

Kindl. And it would be funny

[Andy Pred 48 337]

When Q and E are our bottom pairing ill be happy with the top 4 !

[Jesusberg 1,256]

When Q and E are our bottom pairing ill be happy with the top 4 !

I understand Ericsson, but I think Quincey's played pretty well this season. He's played smart hockey, works well on the PK and is somehow 3rd in points for defensemen on this team. I hated the signing at the beginning of the season, but he's proven a lot of people wrong. He's doing exactly what the Red Wings need him to do with DeKeyser, IMO.

[Euro_Twins 4,476]

I understand Ericsson, but I think Quincey's played pretty well this season. He's played smart hockey, works well on the PK and is somehow 3rd in points for defensemen on this team. I hated the signing at the beginning of the season, but he's proven a lot of people wrong. He's doing exactly what the Red Wings need him to do with DeKeyser, IMO.

I could be 3rd in points for defenseman on the wings

[Yzerfan87 146]

I think Q has been able to get points because DK is covering up for any defensive mistakes. But having E and Q on the 3rd pairing would mean we still don't have any of our GR kids. You're essentially making it

Kronwall - RHD

Smith - DDK

E - Q.

I'm still not thrilled with that.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Petry would be great for depth at least. Petry>Smith.... more offensive minded and RH'd. Takes Smith's spot and makes us a lot better. I don't hate Smith or nothing but this makes us a better team.

Smith+Mid level prospect/pick for Petry

Ericsson-Kronwall

Dekeseyer-Quincey

Petry-Ouellette

Try packaging Ericsson+Helm for a good top 4. Hopeful wishing

[krsmith17 7,191]

Wow people are really reaching for this Smith is useless bulls***... First of all Brendan Smith is just as good as Jeff Petry right now, and he has a lot higher ceiling... and you're suggesting trading Smith AND a mid level prospect AND a pick for Petry? Are you kidding me? The blind hate on Smith is getting beyond ridiculous... Petry will go for a couple picks and you want to throw all that in for him?...

Petry is getting top line minutes in Edmonton, while Smith is getting third line minutes in Detroit, and yet he still isn't producing a significant amount more than Smith. Petry is producing at a 0.22% points per game pace, while Smith is producing at a 0.17% points per game pace. Not a huge difference for a player making over double the salary... Petry has also played an additional 36 minutes more on the power-play than Smith has this season. With those kinds of minutes on the man advantage, you would think he would be producing a LOT more, he is not at all. Let's have a look at their career points shall we? Believe it or not, Smith is actually producing at a slightly higher clip than Petry... Smith has 41 points in 160 games (0.256%) while Petry has 69 points in 281 games (0.245%).

You blame Smith for being a turnover machine, but Petry has over double the number of giveaways as Smith but he also has twice as many takeaways... Petry may be a little better defensively, hitting more and blocking more shots, but that stat is almost as skewed as the +/- stat, which Smith is obviously superior, playing for a better team, Smith is even and Petry is a -21. The only upside Petry has over Smith in my opinion, is that he is a right handed shot. Is that reason enough to make the trade? Hell no!

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Wow people are really reaching for this Smith is useless bulls***... First of all Brendan Smith is just as good as Jeff Petry right now, and he has a lot higher ceiling... and you're suggesting trading Smith AND a mid level prospect AND a pick for Petry? Are you kidding me? The blind hate on Smith is getting beyond ridiculous... Petry will go for a couple picks and you want to throw all that in for him?...

Petry is getting top line minutes in Edmonton, while Smith is getting third line minutes in Detroit, and yet he still isn't producing a significant amount more than Smith. Petry is producing at a 0.22% points per game pace, while Smith is producing at a 0.17% points per game pace. Not a huge difference for a player making over double the salary... Petry has also played an additional 36 minutes more on the power-play than Smith has this season. With those kinds of minutes on the man advantage, you would think he would be producing a LOT more, he is not at all. Let's have a look at their career points shall we? Believe it or not, Smith is actually producing at a slightly higher clip than Petry... Smith has 41 points in 160 games (0.256%) while Petry has 69 points in 281 games (0.245%).

You blame Smith for being a turnover machine, but Petry has over double the number of giveaways as Smith but he also has twice as many takeaways... Petry may be a little better defensively, hitting more and blocking more shots, but that stat is almost as skewed as the +/- stat, which Smith is obviously superior, playing for a better team, Smith is even and Petry is a -21. The only upside Petry has over Smith in my opinion, is that he is a right handed shot. Is that reason enough to make the trade? Hell no!

Not that I think the trade is fair, but it's tough to gauge value for a guy on a team like Edmonton against someone on Detroit, especially with peripheral stats.

As you admit, the stats are skewed here. Petry in Edmonton =/= Petry in Detroit, and the same for Smith on another team. Who knows, with PP time, Smith could put up 30-35 points on another club. Really though, Petry's not going to produce a lot more on a team that's pure, hot garbage. Any peripheral stats are most likely going to be inflated, too. Edmonton spends far less time with the puck, so Petry's hits, blocks and takeaways are going to be higher.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I agree with all of that, but also, if Petry were to come to Detroit, chances are he would be on our second, if not our third pairing, while still getting his power-play time. Maybe his point totals decrease with the decreased ice time, or maybe they increase with the better power-play... Who knows right? But to trade a 25 year old Smith plus other assets for Petry would be a HUGE mistake in my opinion. I'm just thankful Holland doesn't have the quick trigger finger that most on here have. And I'm confident that Smith isn't going anywhere unless it's for a significant upgrade.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

For those who think that Petry being the best D in Edmonton means a damn thing, please remember that Quincey was a top pair D on an LA team that was better than the Oilers are now, and was the Avs top D the next year. Being the best of crap doesn't mean you're not crap, it just means you're less smelly crap.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

With Justin Braun expected to be out for some time, the Sharks seem like they could have interest in Petry. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to make a move for him now.

[number9 3,297]

Smith for Brad Stuart straight up

[Yzerfan87 146]

Wow people are really reaching for this Smith is useless bulls***... First of all Brendan Smith is just as good as Jeff Petry right now, and he has a lot higher ceiling... and you're suggesting trading Smith AND a mid level prospect AND a pick for Petry? Are you kidding me? The blind hate on Smith is getting beyond ridiculous... Petry will go for a couple picks and you want to throw all that in for him?...

Petry is getting top line minutes in Edmonton, while Smith is getting third line minutes in Detroit, and yet he still isn't producing a significant amount more than Smith. Petry is producing at a 0.22% points per game pace, while Smith is producing at a 0.17% points per game pace. Not a huge difference for a player making over double the salary... Petry has also played an additional 36 minutes more on the power-play than Smith has this season. With those kinds of minutes on the man advantage, you would think he would be producing a LOT more, he is not at all. Let's have a look at their career points shall we? Believe it or not, Smith is actually producing at a slightly higher clip than Petry... Smith has 41 points in 160 games (0.256%) while Petry has 69 points in 281 games (0.245%).

You blame Smith for being a turnover machine, but Petry has over double the number of giveaways as Smith but he also has twice as many takeaways... Petry may be a little better defensively, hitting more and blocking more shots, but that stat is almost as skewed as the +/- stat, which Smith is obviously superior, playing for a better team, Smith is even and Petry is a -21. The only upside Petry has over Smith in my opinion, is that he is a right handed shot. Is that reason enough to make the trade? Hell no!

The way I see it is Kronwall and DK are the only absolute keepers on our blue line. We want a top 4 RHD, but we also have multiple kids who could be NHL ready in a couple years. While I would say Smith is the 3rd, or maybe 4th best dman we have, he's tradable. Petry vs Smith is pretty even right now, but we still have the log jam. We need to lose 2 or 3 of Smith, Kindl, Ericcson, and Quincey. When Quincey's contract is up, he needs to be let go. But if we only lose Kindl, Oulette still does not have a place. Smith then is the most tradable player on our defense. If we can get Petty+3rd for Smith and maybe the rights to that kid that bolted back to Sweden, we're basically breaking even, and then if we can unload Kindl for a 5th, we have Oulette up. The problem I see though is that Quincey is only good when paired with DK. So Petry would end up with Oulette on the 3rd. I'd prefer to have DK paired with Perry, but I don't trust Quincey playing with a rookie either.

[krsmith17 7,191]

We need to lose 2 or 3 of Ericsson, Quincey, Smith and Kindl?? Seriously? Why? To make room for the kids? I'm going to say this again, no matter how high some of us are on the kids coming up from Grand Rapids (Ouellet, Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko) none are an upgrade over what we have, aside from Kindl. So why would replace Smith with one of them? I want to see the kids up as much as the next guy, but not at the expense of a better player. The only player I would replace with one of the kids is Kindl. As it stands right now, he is the only player in our top 6 that can be upgraded internally. If we're looking to make a trade, why not just package Kindl, one of our "awesome" defense prospects, another prospect and a pick for a top 4 right handed defenseman? That would make our back end significantly better, without losing a player like Smith. Petry is not an upgrade over Smith, so why would you make such a lateral move? Just for the sake of making a trade?... No thanks!

[Jesusberg 1,256]

We need to lose 2 or 3 of Ericsson, Quincey, Smith and Kindl?? Seriously? Why? To make room for the kids? I'm going to say this again, no matter how high some of us are on the kids coming up from Grand Rapids (Ouellet, Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko) none are an upgrade over what we have, aside from Kindl. So why would replace Smith with one of them? I want to see the kids up as much as the next guy, but not at the expense of a better player. The only player I would replace with one of the kids is Kindl. As it stands right now, he is the only player in our top 6 that can be upgraded internally. If we're looking to make a trade, why not just package Kindl, one of our "awesome" defense prospects, another prospect and a pick for a top 4 right handed defenseman? That would make our back end significantly better, without losing a player like Smith. Petry is not an upgrade over Smith, so why would you make such a lateral move? Just for the sake of making a trade?... No thanks!

Because that probably doesn't get us a Top 4, RHD... unless you're looking at someone like Zidlicky or maaaybe Dennis Wideman.

Sometimes, I think you believe people just want to move Smith because they don't like him. It's possible that some do, but a lot of people suggest it for practical purposes (me). He's in a position of being at a good age, affordable, and still having potential that other teams might bite on. I'm of the belief that this team needs to add an experienced, offensive presence on the back end. You're not moving Kronwall or DeKeyser, and Quincey, Ericsson, Kindl and Lashoff don't have as much appeal (perhaps Ericsson does to a GM who hasn't watched hockey this season, and maybe Quincey to one who has). I truly believe Smith is the only guy who may have the appeal to land a true offensive defender.

I get it, I really do. You like Smith and think he has Top 4 upside. The problem is that he's still only showing flashes, and that Babcock does NOT seem to trust him. Do you honestly think that Babcock is going to use him in a Top 4 role?

Let me tell you a story. I had an irrational love for Kyle Calder when he was traded here. I was like, "whoa... that dude comes out hard from the corners and attacks the net." I just looked it up right now and he had something like 14 points in 19 games. He has a soul patch - I should have known better. Don't go down the Kyle Calder road, man.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Jesusberg

[krsmith17 7,191]

You honestly don't think that a package of Kindl, Ouellet, Nastasiuk and a mid to high draft pick could land us a decent defenseman? I do. And that's the route I'd prefer to go rather than giving up Smith. And honestly, Zidlicky would be a good option for us at the deadline and he wouldn't cost much at all, maybe a draft pick or two or a mid level prospect and a pick...

Yes, I definitely do see Babcock using Smith in a top 4 role in the future. He doesn't always trust his game in certain situations right now, but with growth, he will earn the coaches trust. And no, I don't see anything practical in giving up on Smith at this stage of his career / where the Wings are as a team right now. The only way I trade a player like Smith is if it's for a significant upgrade, and without giving up other assets such as a Mantha or Larkin, I don't see that happening. If you're trading Smith now, you're trading low, and his stock is going to continue to go up.

Just do me a favor and put Smith in a trade scenario that you would make... It's a move that must make the team better. No lateral moves, without giving up the farm, and without raping another team, because we all know that isn't going to happen. At the deadline buyers almost always overpay. I'm quite okay with standing pat and continuing the development of our team / the kids.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

I don't think that package would get anyone better than what the Wings have now. Nastasiuk, or a similar prospect, simply doesn't have much value, neither does Kindl. Ouellet has some, but not as much as a lot of fans think, and the pick depends on which round. A lot of sub-par to decent pieces generally doesn't get you a higher end piece.

With the number of players the Wings have on the roster signed longer term or they plan on keeping, plus the 4 prospects who look like they have a good chance of being NHL players, their best bet is to trade Smith or Dekeyser, plus a D prospect, and a draft pick if they trade for a top 4 D who's going to be around for awhile.