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1/7 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Flames 2

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No, my point is that Scotty had plenty of issues with players. Did Scotty know Darren had a crack problem? Maybe he did, I don't know. I do know that Shanny got benched for a game cause Scotty thought he "dogged" it on just one shift. He stated this in an interview with Pierre Mcguire a few years back on Sirius/NHL channel. An entire game for one perceived lazy shift....one of the best players on the team.

I know right?

Shanny was a highly paid, veteran, star, and team leader.

Petr Mrazek is a 22 year old, rookie, backup goalie.

IMO Your level of outrage is fitting in the first instance, and a little over the top in the second.

Then again, I haven't even seen the play you're talking about so I can't say whether or not he gave up at all.

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Okay, you can be fine and accept giving up on a play. I won't. It's actually embarrassing as this is something I hear bantam coaches "ranting" about consistently.

It's a moot point because Mrazek didn't give up on the play.

Watching the replay, he played the initial shot well. It was a three on two and the puck carrier had a lot of room to work. Mrazek came out to play the angle.

Unfortunately the shot hit him and it sounds like it caught part of his mask, and rebounded right back to Raymond. Instead of retreating to his net Mrazek is overly aggressive and chases Raymond beyond his own post.

It was a bad play on his part, but he was great the rest of the game. The idea that a goalie would give up on a play leaving a wide open net is absurd.

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Also, after watching the replay, the 3-on-2 was created in part by Weiss dogging it on the backcheck. He's near enough to his man that he can close on him, but stops skating. Kronwall ends up picking up Weiss's man, leaving Raymond wide open on the wing. But Weiss is too far away and still dogging it to catch up to Raymond on the switch with Kronwall. So Raymond has all the time in the world to get off a nice shot, pick up the rebound and wrap around the net completely untouched.

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It's a moot point because Mrazek didn't give up on the play.

Watching the replay, he played the initial shot well. It was a three on two and the puck carrier had a lot of room to work. Mrazek came out to play the angle.

Unfortunately the shot hit him and it sounds like it caught part of his mask, and rebounded right back to Raymond. Instead of retreating to his net Mrazek is overly aggressive and chases Raymond beyond his own post.

It was a bad play on his part, but he was great the rest of the game. The idea that a goalie would give up on a play leaving a wide open net is absurd.

Your opinion. I've watched 10 times now and see no evidence of "Mrazek is overly aggressive and chases Raymond beyond his own post". He chased Raymond? If anything it looks like a half hearted attempt to get back in net. By that time Raymond is in celebration mode.

Absurd a goalie gives up on a play??? Umm, that was the huge knock on Bryzgalov from multiple GM's. He'd give up on plays. "Absurd", not really considering we've seen goalies do this. Unusual, or not typical, yeah...you'd like to think since it's the NHL.

Done analyzing one play. Differing opinions on the play which is cool. The defensiveness of some of the responses on here was a bit surprising, but hey...whatevs. I just stand by the fact that It's was an extremely weak effort (effort may be a stretch). It bugs me as I want to win the Stanley Cup this year, and whatever that play was....won't cut it.

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Your opinion. I've watched 10 times now and see no evidence of "Mrazek is overly aggressive and chases Raymond beyond his own post". He chased Raymond? If anything it looks like a half hearted attempt to get back in net. By that time Raymond is in celebration mode.

Absurd a goalie gives up on a play??? Umm, that was the huge knock on Bryzgalov from multiple GM's. He'd give up on plays. "Absurd", not really considering we've seen goalies do this. Unusual, or not typical, yeah...you'd like to think since it's the NHL.

Done analyzing one play. Differing opinions on the play which is cool. The defensiveness of some of the responses on here was a bit surprising, but hey...whatevs. I just stand by the fact that It's was an extremely weak effort (effort may be a stretch). It bugs me as I want to win the Stanley Cup this year, and whatever that play was....won't cut it.

The evidence is where he is on the ice. If he didn't chase Raymond, exactly how did he end up so far beyond his own net facing the back boards?

Also, it's not a fact that it was a weak effort. It was your opinion, which is contrary to video evidence. If anything Mrazek gave too much effort and was overly aggressive.

And if you look, I was critical at the time, and still am. He blew it and gave up a bad goal.

But gave up on the play? please.

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The evidence is where he is on the ice. If he didn't chase Raymond, exactly how did he end up so far beyond his own net facing the back boards?

Also, it's not a fact that it was a weak effort. It was your opinion, which is contrary to video evidence. If anything Mrazek gave too much effort and was overly aggressive.

And if you look, I was critical at the time, and still am. He blew it and gave up a bad goal.

But gave up on the play? please.

This is about how I feel about it. I thought it was a bad goal, which didn't surprise me because he's a young, aggressive goalie who hasn't played much lately. Don't think he gave up, though I think he may have realized the futility of trying to superman his way back into the net and pull a groin or whatever Gustavsson did to himself to stop a sure goal. Either way it was a bad goal, but I think benching him or whatever is unnecessary, if anything he needs to play more for his development.

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The evidence is where he is on the ice. If he didn't chase Raymond, exactly how did he end up so far beyond his own net facing the back boards?

Also, it's not a fact that it was a weak effort. It was your opinion, which is contrary to video evidence. If anything Mrazek gave too much effort and was overly aggressive.

And if you look, I was critical at the time, and still am. He blew it and gave up a bad goal.

But gave up on the play? please.

Cool. Again, not looking to battle, just my opinion. I've never have seen a goalie chase a player with possession of the puck behind the net in the NHL though.

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Cool. Again, not looking to battle, just my opinion. I've never have seen a goalie chase a player with possession of the puck behind the net in the NHL though.

But you have to battle. It's no fun if you don't battle. Am I missing something? Not battling...sheesh.

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Cool. Again, not looking to battle, just my opinion. I've never have seen a goalie chase a player with possession of the puck behind the net in the NHL though.

Quick does it sometimes as well. He's a very aggressive goaltender.

And honestly as much as I blame Mrazek for the goal (and Quick when he does it), they look idiotic chasing the shooter like that, but it also discounts all the times their super aggressive style works.

It's plenty of fun without battling. I've been a part of this LGW community for 10 years and the fun has never been about battling for me.

I try to maintain the tone that Matt likes to say, where we're all in his basement drinking and arguing about the Wings, but in a good natured way. We're all ultimately Wings fans.

But I won't pretend that it's not a struggle to keep that tone sometimes. :lol:

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You wouldn't happen to be Tom McCollum's cousin or something would you?

LOLLLL

At first glance it looked like Mrazek stood up because he heard the initial whistle.

Yep. He was already stood up and relaxed. Whistle went, shot went in because he was'nt even looking at it. lol

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Looks like a lot of you are gonna see what you want to see when it comes to that first goal.

The puck went off Mrazek right back onto Raymond's stick... Was he way out of his net and super-aggro in the first few minutes of the game? Certainly... It almost looks like his momentum is carrying him out further than he might want to be... but it's not as if he's chased Raymond BEHIND the net. He's off to the side of the net the entire play.

I don't know what he was supposed to do about the actual goal once Raymond is behind and around to the other side of the net.

Where's the skater that's supposed to be on Raymond? Is it Weiss? He got cut off on the opposite side of the net... and no one picked him up.

Does it look bad on Mrazek? Sure. Is his super aggressive style of play heart attack inducing? Sure.

Can he pull it back together, calm himself down, and pull out a win? Well, look at the final score.

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