Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=747491&navid=nhl:topheads meh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 I think the league got it right with this one, tbh. Pretty obvious dive. I'd like to see the NJ one that lead to the initial warning, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 for sure a dive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Here's the NJ one: https://twitter.com/awood40/status/552947151299698689 He definitely deserves the fine. I just hate that it's a Wing. 2 germanwing and haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannedforlife 403 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Trade the bum. 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cnot19 191 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Definitely deserved disgusts me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Talk about playing heavy. But seriously, he should be ashamed of himself. Hopefully this gets him demoted for a few games. If not, Babcock's full of it too. 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 The one against the Bruins was definitely a dive but I think the one against the Devils, he just lost an edge... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 The one against the Bruins was definitely a dive but I think the one against the Devils, he just lost an edge... In isolation it could go either way. But with the Bruins dive as hindsight I've got to imagine he "lost an edge" on purpose there. He's clearly not above doing such things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
derblaueClaus 1,668 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) I just hope he stops doing it. It's embarrassing for him and for the organization. Kudos to the NHL for addressing the issue btw. I can't stand soccer because of the diving going on there. Edited January 7, 2015 by derblaueClaus 2 kipwinger and Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 I hope Babcock bags his ass to death the first chance he gets. Wear him completely the f*** out for doing it. Twice. Once for each offense. I can't stand seeing this s***, and it's never going to stop until the league seriously addresses it (which I guess they're trying to do), and until players and coaches completely condemn it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Sheeesh you guys act like that never happens and he's not the only one doing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Sheeesh you guys act like that never happens and he's not the only one doing it. Yeah, if we're being honest, pretty much everyone does it. Or, put another way, no one's totally above it. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Sheeesh you guys act like that never happens and he's not the only one doing it. By that rationale we should be ok with it if one of our guys cheap shots someone in the head. Ya know, because other people do it too. I'm a proponent of having higher standards than that. 2 derblaueClaus and Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 By that rationale we should be ok with it if one of our guys cheap shots someone in the head. Ya know, because other people do it too. I'm a proponent of having higher standards than that. Hitting someone in the head and embellishing are slightly different things. I think you're being a bit too hard-line about this. Diving sucks, but it's a thing. That's why they're doing this fining system - it's gotten slightly out of control and the league wants to clamp down on it. (Granted, the same can be said of hits to the head. But, again, I'll take a dive over a shot to someone's head. Not that I condone either one, mind you.) 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Definitely deserved but what about teams like Anaheim and Pittsburgh that breed divers? I don't see them getting fined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Definitely deserved but what about teams like Anaheim and Pittsburgh that breed divers? I don't see them getting fined. Considering they've only handed out like 3 fines so far, I'd say just wait a while. They'll get theirs. Hitting someone in the head and embellishing are slightly different things. I think you're being a bit too hard-line about this. Diving sucks, but it's a thing. That's why they're doing this fining system - it's gotten slightly out of control and the league wants to clamp down on it. (Granted, the same can be said of hits to the head. But, again, I'll take a dive over a shot to someone's head. Not that I condone either one, mind you.) Point is, you can rationalize just about anything by saying "we're not the only ones doing it". Doesn't make it any less dirty. It takes ZERO class to dive. If Yzerman didn't do it, and Lidstrom didn't do it, and Datsyuk and Zetterberg don't do it, then our next generation stars and leaders shouldn't do it. Nyquist obviously feels like it's ok to do. He should be broken of that flawed thinking by the coaching staff. 3 Z Winged Dangler, Detroit \# 1 Fan and roboturner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
korrowan 111 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 The first one clearly is not a dive. He thought there was a guy to lean on and there was nothing but air and he crashed and burned. Its not his fault the idiot ref called a penalty for him falling down. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermind 363 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Nyquist Franzen Abdelkader Helm Tatar Smith I've seen them all dive or embellish this season. Am I missing anyone? For the record, I hate diving pretty much more than anyone. Kipwinger sounds like me talking to my friends haha Edited January 8, 2015 by Nevermind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Babcock to Nyquist. Seriously though, I get the fine for the dive. Where is the fine / suspension for spearing Ericsson in the nuts for Pouliot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Nyquist Franzen Abdelkader Helm Tatar I've seen them all dive or embellish this season. Am I missing anyone? For the record, I hate diving pretty much more than anyone. Kipwinger sounds like me talking to my friends haha You're forgetting Smith. He's had a couple doozies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 7, 2015 Embarrassing. It's pathetic that there's now several Wings players who are diving. Yeah, if we're being honest, pretty much everyone does it. Or, put another way, no one's totally above it. That's what worries me. Honestly the biggest thing that could get me to stop watching the NHL would be if diving becomes commonplace and accepted. And that's the path it's headed. I can't see Babcock actually benching Nyquist but I hope the organization takes this seriously. 1 derblaueClaus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted January 8, 2015 Diving, or at least embellishment, is already commonplace and accepted. Several times every game. A lot of it minor, like throwing up the arms or throwing the head back when being hooked/held or high-sticked, some blatant like this dive, some subtle, like clamping an elbow over someone's stick to embellish a hook... Like the old axiom, "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying". Embellishment works, plain and simple. Everyone does it. Some worse than others of course, but even Pav and Hank do it. Nick, Yzerman... I really doubt there's even a single player who won't try to get one over on the refs if he thinks he can. Players should be ashamed of themselves, but on the other hand I can't really blame them. Winning is everything after all. Kudos though to the league for finally trying to do something about it. Not going far enough I think, but at least it's a start. Personally, I don't think it will end until it's no longer effective. Embellishment should negate the original penalty, or be a double-minor if there was no penalty. And if a team gets caught doing it too often they should lose points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted January 8, 2015 You think Nick, Yzerman, Dats, and Zetterberg would do what Nyquist did in that first video? C'mon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted January 8, 2015 Smart enough to be more subtle about it, maybe, but more or less yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
