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He should seriously consider retiring if he cares about his own health.

And, no it's not "fan speculation" on Franzen's head problems.

It's sounding more & more though that Franzen's career could very well be cut short by concussion symptoms.

I don't know that he'll come back from this one. He very well could finish his career on IR.

Injured #RedWings Johan Franzen, Darren Helm and Alexey Marchenko are on the ice this morning at JLA.

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^ What's your point? My "quote" still doesn't change that fact that the concussions he's suffered is detrimental to his long term health. That's just common sense you learn in human physiology in high school or college.

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So, the forum that decries the guy every chance they get because he's lazy, sucks, and doesn't try hard enough... is now going to complain about the fact that he's actually going to try to come back from serious injury?

Seriously?! Come ON!

I really shouldn't be surprised, but...

Do you really think the Wings would allow him to hit the ice if he weren't ready to at least give it a real shot at coming back?

On top of that -- None of us are doctors... so don't pretend you know what's best for his career, his long term health, etc. despite anything you may have learned in HS Physiology/Anatomy classes. You don't know.

AND if he's at least trying to get back out there on the ice for his team, with his horrible boat anchor of a contract (not actually) you should give him around of applause for trying.

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^ What's your point? My "quote" still doesn't change that fact that the concussions he's suffered is detrimental to his long term health. That's just common sense you learn in human physiology in high school or college.

My point was that the entire "career is over" discussion based on absolutely nothing and was pure speculation on his injury.

The conclusions jumped to were, and are, laughable.

Zetterberg get injured and everyone is simply sad to see him out. Franzen gets injured and we begin discussing how his career is probably over. Priceless lol

You suggested he retire.

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Last report I saw said he's had 10 concussions in his career. That's a ton. He probably should retire, but it's his call. It also said he might be skating but he's a long way from playing and still has frequent head aches.

Link?

Based on what? Your expert medical opinion and intimate knowledge of Franzen's injury(s)? The same knowledge/opinion that proclaimed that "he very well could finish his career on IR"?

Glad to him at practice after that career ending injury :lol:

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My point was that the entire "career is over" discussion based on absolutely nothing and was pure speculation on his injury.

The conclusions jumped to were, and are, laughable.

Zetterberg get injured and everyone is simply sad to see him out. Franzen gets injured and we begin discussing how his career is probably over. Priceless lol

You suggested he retire.

Last report I saw said he's had 10 concussions in his career. That's a ton. He probably should retire, but it's his call. It also said he might be skating but he's a long way from playing and still has frequent head aches.

That's at least 10 concussions in his career & that number comes directly from the Red Wing's own official web site. http://redwings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=756952

So yeah, it may be speculation that his career might be cut short because of it but based on his past history, science behind repeat concussions, & the effects that have been seen in other athletes, it certainly isn't wild or "laughable" speculation. Really at this point the question shouldn't be "Will Franzen's career be cut short?" it should be "By how much will Franzen's career be cut short?".

Link?

Based on what? Your expert medical opinion and intimate knowledge of Franzen's injury(s)? The same knowledge/opinion that proclaimed that "he very well could finish his career on IR"?

Glad to him at practice after that career ending injury :lol:

Link? See above...

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That's at least 10 concussions in his career & that number comes directly from the Red Wing's own official web site. http://redwings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=756952

So yeah, it may be speculation that his career might be cut short because of it but based on his past history, science behind repeat concussions, & the effects that have been seen in other athletes, it certainly isn't wild or "laughable" speculation. Really at this point the question shouldn't be "Will Franzen's career be cut short?" it should be "By how much will Franzen's career be cut short?".

Link? See above...

Thanks for the link

So do you think Zetterberg's career will end because of chronic back issues? The same issue has forced plenty other players to call it quits.

I find it laughable because it's Franzen. There's so many posters here who wish his RW career would end by any many means necessary.

Media: Franzen has injury

LGW: Franzen gone forever!

Media: Other Red Wing has injury

LGW: Hope he gets better quick

Fact is none of us know how bad the injury is, it was originally reported as whiplash. Yet people draw the conclusion that his career is probably over :lol:

I'm sure Datsyuk will jet for Russia, and Babs to Toronto too. Just more conclusions with no backing.

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Thanks for the link

So do you think Zetterberg's career will end because of chronic back issues? The same issue has forced plenty other players to call it quits.

I find it laughable because it's Franzen. There's so many posters here who wish his RW career would end by any many means necessary.

Media: Franzen has injury

LGW: Franzen gone forever!

Media: Other Red Wing has injury

LGW: Hope he gets better quick

Fact is none of us know how bad the injury is, it was originally reported as whiplash. Yet people draw the conclusion that his career is probably over :lol:

I'm sure Datsyuk will jet for Russia, and Babs to Toronto too. Just more conclusions with no backing.

Jump to conclusions much yourself? Just reading the tea leaves here with Franzen, not wishing a career ending injury on anyone. But since you asked, yes I think there are still concerns with Hank's long-term durability based on his past back issues & on top of that, given that he was just more than likely concussed with a gloved punch to the face, I also have concerns there too. In your mind, does that also mean that I'm hoping that Hank's career gets cut short too "by any means necessary"? Just both patterns of injury there to be concerned about, more so in Franzen's case given the circumstances.

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Jump to conclusions much yourself? Just reading the tea leaves here with Franzen, not wishing a career ending injury on anyone. But since you asked, yes I think there are still concerns with Hank's long-term durability based on his past back issues & on top of that, given that he was just more than likely concussed with a gloved punch to the face, I also have concerns there too. In your mind, does that also mean that I'm hoping that Hank's career gets cut short too "by any means necessary"? Just both patterns of injury there to be concerned about, more so in Franzen's case given the circumstances.

Oh, did you voice concern for Z's career when that happened?

I think you took "There's so many posters here who wish his RW career would end by any many means necessary." a little too personally

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My point was that the entire "career is over" discussion based on absolutely nothing and was pure speculation on his injury.

The conclusions jumped to were, and are, laughable.

Zetterberg get injured and everyone is simply sad to see him out. Franzen gets injured and we begin discussing how his career is probably over. Priceless lol

You suggested he retire.

I suggested he retire based on his injury. Meaning a concussion. Concussions are bad. They have long term effects. My point has nothing to do with whether or not he will PROBABLY retire. It's about whether he SHOULD retire. I still stand by my statements. My suggestions come from a medical perspective about a human being repeatedly being concussed not based off "Franzen is injured, who cares, his career is probably over" Don't include me in the Franzen bias. Lol that's pretty silly.

Just because you have a concussion or 20 concussions doesn't mean you can't continue to play the sport. It's a matter of whether or not the costs outweigh the benefits for his health.

Thanks for the link

So do you think Zetterberg's career will end because of chronic back issues? The same issue has forced plenty other players to call it quits.

I find it laughable because it's Franzen. There's so many posters here who wish his RW career would end by any many means necessary.

Media: Franzen has injury

LGW: Franzen gone forever!

Media: Other Red Wing has injury

LGW: Hope he gets better quick

Fact is none of us know how bad the injury is, it was originally reported as whiplash. Yet people draw the conclusion that his career is probably over :lol:

I'm sure Datsyuk will jet for Russia, and Babs to Toronto too. Just more conclusions with no backing.

You need to brush up on common medical knowledge if you're a sports fan. A herniated disk doesn't equate to concussion and brain damage. Lol. If the media reports it as a concussion, the conclusions fan are coming up with are based off that. If the media has lied and Franzen did NOT suffer concussions then how is that anyone's fault? We were given a supposed fact and we went with it.

On information regarding Concussions and it's different grades :

http://www.webmd.com/brain/concussion-traumatic-brain-injury-symptoms-causes-treatments?page=2

Further studies on long term effects of concussions:

http://journals.lww.com/neurosurgery/Abstract/2007/08000/LONG_TERM_AND_CUMULATIVE_EFFECTS_OF_SPORTS.13.aspx

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I suggested he retire based on his injury. Meaning a concussion. Concussions are bad. They have long term effects. My point has nothing to do with whether or not he will PROBABLY retire. It's about whether he SHOULD retire. I still stand by my statements. My suggestions come from a medical perspective about a human being repeatedly being concussed not based off "Franzen is injured, who cares, his career is probably over" Don't include me in the Franzen bias. Lol that's pretty silly.

Just because you have a concussion or 20 concussions doesn't mean you can't continue to play the sport. It's a matter of whether or not the costs outweigh the benefits for his health.

You need to brush up on common medical knowledge if you're a sports fan. A herniated disk doesn't equate to concussion and brain damage. Lol. If the media reports it as a concussion, the conclusions fan are coming up with are based off that. If the media has lied and Franzen did NOT suffer concussions then how is that anyone's fault? We were given a supposed fact and we went with it.

On information regarding Concussions and it's different grades :

http://www.webmd.com/brain/concussion-traumatic-brain-injury-symptoms-causes-treatments?page=2

Further studies on long term effects of concussions:

http://journals.lww.com/neurosurgery/Abstract/2007/08000/LONG_TERM_AND_CUMULATIVE_EFFECTS_OF_SPORTS.13.aspx

I wasn't suggesting the media lied about his injury at all. And back issues end careers as well my friend. See Nathan Horton for the most recent.

As a medical doctor myself, my professional opinion is that I have no idea the extent of Franzen's personal brain damage/trauma because I'm not his doctor and therefore can't suggest either way. Looks as though Franzen's concussion expert in Ann Arbor feels he's capable of coming back though ;)

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Oh, did you voice concern for Z's career when that happened?

I think you took "There's so many posters here who wish his RW career would end by any many means necessary." a little too personally

Thank you for providing me what I'm sure will be the biggest laugh I had all week. I'll leave you now to argue with others.

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I cannot wait for this forum to turn on the 6'5" softness that is Anthony Mantha. Hopefully Franzen will still be around to pass the torch. Full circle.

Well, let's hope it's a few years after Anthony scores 14 goals in one playoff run and wins the Stanley Cup.

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Thanks for the link

So do you think Zetterberg's career will end because of chronic back issues? The same issue has forced plenty other players to call it quits.

I find it laughable because it's Franzen. There's so many posters here who wish his RW career would end by any many means necessary.

Media: Franzen has injury

LGW: Franzen gone forever!

Media: Other Red Wing has injury

LGW: Hope he gets better quick

Fact is none of us know how bad the injury is, it was originally reported as whiplash. Yet people draw the conclusion that his career is probably over :lol:

I'm sure Datsyuk will jet for Russia, and Babs to Toronto too. Just more conclusions with no backing.

I think if Zetterberg had been out a month with a recurrence of his back issue from last season, and there had been no news on how, or even if, he was recovering, there would have been plenty of speculation.

It's not like it was just random speculation. Concussions have been a big topic in recent years, and now we have a player who's had two serious ones in the last two seasons with very little recent info about any progress. Concern over and speculation about his future is entirely justified. And I'm one of the bigger Franzen defenders around here. And while it's nice to see him skating, he's not back yet. Remember when he came back for a game last season?

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I think if Zetterberg had been out a month with a recurrence of his back issue from last season, and there had been no news on how, or even if, he was recovering, there would have been plenty of speculation.

It's not like it was just random speculation. Concussions have been a big topic in recent years, and now we have a player who's had two serious ones in the last two seasons with very little recent info about any progress. Concern over and speculation about his future is entirely justified. And I'm one of the bigger Franzen defenders around here. And while it's nice to see him skating, he's not back yet. Remember when he came back for a game last season?

Yeah I'd agree and say the speculation is justified. Franzen turns 36 this year and has been trending down for the past what, 5 years? His comments lead towards him never really enjoying the game all that much

Concussions have destroyed careers as of late and Franzen doesn't really seem the type to exactly fight in order to try and come back. (not that it would always help with a concussion case)

Buddy takes the smallest hits to the dome and he looks like he got kronwalled

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Yeah I'd agree and say the speculation is justified. Franzen turns 36 this year and has been trending down for the past what, 5 years? His comments lead towards him never really enjoying the game all that much

Concussions have destroyed careers as of late and Franzen doesn't really seem the type to exactly fight in order to try and come back. (not that it would always help with a concussion case)

Buddy takes the smallest hits to the dome and he looks like he got kronwalled

One of the biggest myths among Wings fans...

He's actually been a model of consistency. Points/Game Last 10 Years...

.67

.76

.75

.73

.72

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I think if Zetterberg had been out a month with a recurrence of his back issue from last season, and there had been no news on how, or even if, he was recovering, there would have been plenty of speculation.

It's not like it was just random speculation. Concussions have been a big topic in recent years, and now we have a player who's had two serious ones in the last two seasons with very little recent info about any progress. Concern over and speculation about his future is entirely justified. And I'm one of the bigger Franzen defenders around here. And while it's nice to see him skating, he's not back yet. Remember when he came back for a game last season?

Not one report suggested his career was in jeopardy.

Like I said, 100% fan speculation/wishful thinking from Franzen haters

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One of the biggest myths among Wings fans...

He's actually been a model of consistency. Points/Game Last 10 Years...

.67

.76

.75

.73

.72

.77

.83

.53

.43

.20

Constantly inconsistent.... :lol:

I am a mule fan and still am. Year by year yes his number match up. What is frustrating is he scores like a beast for 4 or 5 games then nothing for 15 to 20. Not saying we don't have others like that but he is the worst for it

I hope he is back for a playoff run. The kid can be clutch in the playoffs.

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Well, one thing is for sure....he hasn't been clutch in the playoffs in 5 years. For me, he's just easy to complain about. It's very frustrating that he's been out of the line up a lot and a lot of players take heat for that too, but I just don't like the way he plays, dives, etc. Because of that, I'd start complaining about him for something I wouldn't complain about Datsyuk or Zetterberg for. Yes, it's a double-standard, but simple human nature.

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Well, one thing is for sure....he hasn't been clutch in the playoffs in 5 years. For me, he's just easy to complain about. It's very frustrating that he's been out of the line up a lot and a lot of players take heat for that too, but I just don't like the way he plays, dives, etc. Because of that, I'd start complaining about him for something I wouldn't complain about Datsyuk or Zetterberg for. Yes, it's a double-standard, but simple human nature.

Well at least you can admit it I guess

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