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Just because Mcdavid didn't say the same thing as eichel, doesn't mean he doesn't think the exact same thing.

Don't you argue against how everyone has to be politically correct all the time too?

So who cares that he's confident in himself, if he didn't think he could be the best, he wouldn't be anywhere near as good as he is.

I don't have a problem with him being confident I mean heck he would be the 1 in almost every other draft with the exception of the Crosby and maybe Stamkos one.

The problem is Eichel said he will be better than McDavid and he believes he is the best - not one of - but the best player in the draft and that's cocky..he had to the chance to redeem himself a bit by saying "I let emotions get the better of me..So sorry I know this draft is full of great players and hopefully I can become one of them for Buffalo in the future...I will as hard as I can to achieve that goal and if that draws comparisons McDavid I would be very honored "

It's a much nicer tone instead of saying flat out that he is the best. For the record I think McDavid and Eichel will be super super stars but I don't think anyone can protect who the better player will be. Maybe it was just a bad choice of words for Eichel he'll learn hopefully.

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Just because Mcdavid didn't say the same thing as eichel, doesn't mean he doesn't think the exact same thing.

Don't you argue against how everyone has to be politically correct all the time too?

So who cares that he's confident in himself, if he didn't think he could be the best, he wouldn't be anywhere near as good as he is.

The thing with all the pc police is very different they believe everyone should share their ... Thoughts of the world and if they don't they'll annoy people to no end so it's just useless and stupid.

The way Eichel said came of as a shot against McDavid I mean it doesn't matter what I think but what if it adds even more motivation McDavid ? Eichel also put a lot of unneeded pressure on himself now...The media will for sure jump on this and now compare the two starting whenever they set their first foot on NHL ice

..but instead Eichel could have enjoyed the shadow McDavid and having was less extra pressure and media idiocy to deal with

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The thing with all the pc police is very different they believe everyone should share their ... Thoughts of the world and if they don't they'll annoy people to no end so it's just useless and stupid.

The way Eichel said came of as a shot against McDavid I mean it doesn't matter what I think but what if it adds even more motivation McDavid ? Eichel also put a lot of unneeded pressure on himself now...The media will for sure jump on this and now compare the two starting whenever they set their first foot on NHL ice

..but instead Eichel could have enjoyed the shadow McDavid and having was less extra pressure and media idiocy to deal with

Except he said expilcitly it wasn't a shot at Mcdavid lol

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Arrogant? Blow things out of proportion much Frank?

From that article:

“I’m pretty confident in my own abilities,” Eichel told a throng of reporters and cameras Friday at the NHL Scouting Combine inside HarborCenter. “I know everyone’s making a big deal.” Eichel never intended to compare himself to McDavid, who will be picked first by the Edmonton Oilers. “It’s more of just confidence in my own self,” Eichel said.

Seems pretty down to earth to me, nothing wrong with confidence in oneself.

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I don't have a problem with him being confident I mean heck he would be the 1 in almost every other draft with the exception of the Crosby and maybe Stamkos one.

The problem is Eichel said he will be better than McDavid and he believes he is the best - not one of - but the best player in the draft and that's cocky..he had to the chance to redeem himself a bit by saying "I let emotions get the better of me..So sorry I know this draft is full of great players and hopefully I can become one of them for Buffalo in the future...I will as hard as I can to achieve that goal and if that draws comparisons McDavid I would be very honored "

It's a much nicer tone instead of saying flat out that he is the best. For the record I think McDavid and Eichel will be super super stars but I don't think anyone can protect who the better player will be. Maybe it was just a bad choice of words for Eichel he'll learn hopefully.

He's going to be compared to Mcdavid every step of the way anyway, like ovi and Crosby.(I know they were drafted a year apart)

And by saying he should have said something along the same lines as Mcdavids response,or having a problem with him not saying it in a nicer tone, is by your definition the same exact thing the "PC police" do.

Which in your words is...

The thing with all the pc police is very different they believe everyone should share their ... Thoughts of the world and if they don't they'll annoy people to no end so it's just useless and stupid.

The way Eichel said came of as a shot against McDavid I mean it doesn't matter what I think but what if it adds even more motivation McDavid ? Eichel also put a lot of unneeded pressure on himself now...The media will for sure jump on this and now compare the two starting whenever they set their first foot on NHL ice

..but instead Eichel could have enjoyed the shadow McDavid and having was less extra pressure and media idiocy to deal with

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The thing with all the pc police is very different they believe everyone should share their ... Thoughts of the world and if they don't they'll annoy people to no end so it's just useless and stupid.

The way Eichel said came of as a shot against McDavid I mean it doesn't matter what I think but what if it adds even more motivation McDavid ? Eichel also put a lot of unneeded pressure on himself now...The media will for sure jump on this and now compare the two starting whenever they set their first foot on NHL ice

..but instead Eichel could have enjoyed the shadow McDavid and having was less extra pressure and media idiocy to deal with

Oh they wouldn't have done that anyway? You think eichel would have been free from media harassment had he not said anything? You don't think if they both become big stars their entire careers won't be intertwined like sydney and ovie? Edited by Euro_Twins

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Oh they wouldn't have done that anyway? You think eichel would have been free from media harassment had he not said anything? You don't think if they both become big stars their entire careers won't be intertwined like sydney and ovie?

No, because they are playing in different conferences and both teams are at different rebuild phases.

Now this could turn into another Crosby versus OV endless comparison and by all accounts that was ridiculous.

McDavid strikes me as the more humble down to earth guy..I don't know what it is but Eichel comes of a bit cocky maybe that's just who he is but I hope not..guy is a phenomenal talent he should let his on ice performance do the talking.

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No, because they are playing in different conferences and both teams are at different rebuild phases.

Now this could turn into another Crosby versus OV endless comparison and by all accounts that was ridiculous.

McDavid strikes me as the more humble down to earth guy..I don't know what it is but Eichel comes of a bit cocky maybe that's just who he is but I hope not..guy is a phenomenal talent he should let his on ice performance do the talking.

Taylor vs Tyler? Drafted into separate conferences to teams at completely different levels of competition/rebuilds and yet still endlessly compared.

You're just flat out wrong.

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Man... give it a rest already. Eichel is just confident in himself and McDavid's been touted as the next Crosby for a few years now so of course he doesn't have to talk himself up as much. I'm more interested in what the Wings will do seeing as how the first 4-5 picks are pretty much already set.

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This reminds me of Luongo complaining that Tim Thomas didn't "pump his tires" a couple years ago in the finals. How entitled do you have to be?

Is Jack Eichel bound by some sort of hockey law to kiss Connor McDavid's ass? Screw McDavid. I'd rather have a "cocky" kid like Eichel, who is confident and competitive, than the next Nail Yakupov.

You can keep your hero worship. I like hockey players, not "saviors".

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This reminds me of Luongo complaining that Tim Thomas didn't "pump his tires" a couple years ago in the finals. How entitled do you have to be?

Is Jack Eichel bound by some sort of hockey law to kiss Connor McDavid's ass? Screw McDavid. I'd rather have a "cocky" kid like Eichel, who is confident and competitive, than the next Nail Yakupov.

You can keep your hero worship. I like hockey players, not "saviors".

Yes. It's written in the "Don Cherry Book of Hockey Regulations and Reforms". I believe it's in the Tim Horton's subsection right beside the clause about hot enforcer WAGs.

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lol... I'll just stay quiet and wait for everyone else to figure out how good Connor McDavid is.

He is not a normal draft pick. No, you would not rather have Eichel.

He'll probably be super duper good right? Like, Hart Trophy, 100 point seasons, Olympic Gold, type good? I mean, he'll probably be soooooooooooo good that people will anoint him the second coming of Gretzky. He'll have scoring titles and accolades for days and day.

Nobody's been that good in a long, long time.

Except for Crosby...and Ovechkin...and Stamkos...and Tavares.

They've got a whopping 1 Stanley Cup between them. It's too bad they don't give Stanley Cups away for your Junior Hockey career and your pre-draft hype. These guys would be rolling in them. Connor would too.

Sadly, we still do it the crappy old way where you have to earn it by winning NHL games.

McDavid will be good. But lots of teams will win lots of Cups without Connor McDavid. So maybe everyone should temper their idolatry a little bit.

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I don't think Edmonton even makes the playoffs next year - Just like Pittsburgh didn't the years directly before and after drafting Crosby, just like Washington didn't the years directly before and after drafting Ovechkin, just like Tampa Bay didn't the years directly before and after drafting Stamkos, just like New York didn't the years directly before and after drafting Tavares... and why is this? Because you get drafted at 18 years old.

But eventually - these players develop, and eventually, these players make the team that drafted them a contender. (Each of those 4 teams qualified for the playoffs this season and 1 of them is still playing)

Connor McDavid is no different, and if you would rather have Eichel - congratulations on being the only person alive today that would make such a bad decision. Even the Buffalo Sabres (Eichel's future employer) expressed disappointment in losing the "McDavid Sweepstakes",

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I don't think Edmonton even makes the playoffs next year - Just like Pittsburgh didn't the years directly before and after drafting Crosby, just like Washington didn't the years directly before and after drafting Ovechkin, just like Tampa Bay didn't the years directly before and after drafting Stamkos, just like New York didn't the years directly before and after drafting Tavares... and why is this? Because you get drafted at 18 years old.

But eventually - these players develop, and eventually, these players make the team that drafted them a contender. (Each of those 4 teams qualified for the playoffs this season and 1 of them is still playing)

Connor McDavid is no different, and if you would rather have Eichel - congratulations on being the only person alive today that would make such a bad decision. Even the Buffalo Sabres (Eichel's future employer) expressed disappointment in losing the "McDavid Sweepstakes",

I take it as a point of pride that I don't buy into the insane, and annual, hype that surrounds the 1st overall draft pick in all major professional sports. That's because I've seen too many of the bust, or underwhelm, for all sorts of reasons. I'd rather they show me what they've got. In lieu of that, I'd rather rely on more objectives things, like size, speed, stats, the degree of difficultly in their respective leagues, etc.

The only thing I know absolutely, positively, 100% about Connor McDavid is that he's far and away the most POPULAR player in the draft. No denying that. But I still have to be convinced that he'll be the best NHL player to come from this draft.

And here's one final thought. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that if Jack Eichel were A) Canadian, and B) playing in a weaker league against a bunch of teen age boys, that he'd be as dominant AND as heralded as Connor McDavid.

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I'm not disputing Eichel's talent or ability - I think he's going to be a great NHL player one day, and I am Canadian.

But Connor McDavid isn't more popular because he's "playing in a weaker league against a bunch of teenage boys" - He's more popular because he's legitimately better as a player, and probably the best draft prospect since Sidney Crosby. If you think the NCAA is a better developmental league than the OHL, you obviously haven't had much exposure North of the border. I played in the NCAA for 1 year and understand how good the hockey is, but trust me when I say the best players in the NCAA do not compare with the best players in the CHL (OHL/WHL/QMJHL).

Winning the Hobey Baker as a freshman is an achievement I can fully appreciate - but take a look at the history of who's won it... An extremely underwhelming list.

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I'm not disputing Eichel's talent or ability - I think he's going to be a great NHL player one day, and I am Canadian.

But Connor McDavid isn't more popular because he's "playing in a weaker league against a bunch of teenage boys" - He's more popular because he's legitimately better as a player, and probably the best draft prospect since Sidney Crosby. If you think the NCAA is a better developmental league than the OHL, you obviously haven't had much exposure North of the border. I played in the NCAA for 1 year and understand how good the hockey is, but trust me when I say the best players in the NCAA do not compare with the best players in the CHL (OHL/WHL/QMJHL).

Winning the Hobey Baker as a freshman is an achievement I can fully appreciate - but take a look at the history of who's won it... An extremely underwhelming list.

I'd argue the best NCAA teams would dominate the best Junior teams. Not because they're more talented...they aren't. But they're more developed.

I also agree about the Hobey Baker. I'm not suggesting that the NCAA gets the kinds of talent coming through it that the Canadian Junior Leagues do. I'm suggesting that, in general, it's always harder to play against 19-23 year olds than it is to play against 16-19 year olds. And given what Eichel did to college kids, I don't think it's a stretch to assume he'd do considerably more damage to a bunch of children...just like McDavid did.

Guys dominate the Junior leagues all the time. That, in and of itself, doesn't really impress me that much. Every guy that scores a bunch in Juniors is the next Crosby, or Stamkos, or whomever. But that doesn't make it so. That's just good PR. I have no reason to believe that McDavid is soooooooo much better than Eichel or anybody else, based on his Junior career.

I do think, however, that he's been hyped to the point that everybody thinks so. If I were the Oilers I'd call Buffalo right now. I'd offer them the first overall pick, for the second overall pick, Sam Reinhart, and Rasmus Ristolianen. See how much value the next Crosby actually has.

If McDavid is the next Crosby, then why can't Eichel be the next Toews? And as good as Crosby is, would you rather have him or Toews plus two blue chip prospects?

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Good point - Toews is a great player, unbelievable compete level and intangibles plus elite two-way ability as a Center. I'm not sure Eichel will possess those same traits at the NHL level.

But I'm also not sure if McDavid will be as good as Crosby... Either way I doubt Buffalo would make that offer, and without a Defenseman I doubt Edmonton bites.

Maybe Ekman-Larsson and the 3rd overall pick (Strome) for McDavid would work better...

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I'm not saying they should trade the 1st overall just to be trading it. I'm suggesting they take advantage of two things.

1. There is so much hype surrounding McDavid that people are more likely to do something irrational if he's involved (think Mike Babcock's hype and subsequent 50 million dollar contract).

2. McDavid isn't so much better than Eichel that losing one for the other leaves you in a bad spot. They're both future #1 centers.

So I'd offer McDavid for Eichel (plus) and see if the hype makes Buffalo do something stupid. If they don't bite...fine. You still have Connor McDavid. If they do bite, even better. You got a future #1 center PLUS whatever else you can get (I'd ask for Reinhart and Ristolainen, but whatever), for a future #1 center of comparable skill.

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I'm beginning to think you don't know much about our prospects Richdg... There is no way forward is our number one need of the future... Other than DeKeyser, Smith and Sproul, we don't have anyone who projects to be a top 4 defenseman. Up front we have Larkin, Mantha, Sheahan, Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Pulkkinen, Athanasiou who all project to be top 6 forwards. Nastasiuk projects to be more of a bottom 6 forward. McKee, chances are will never make this team. Marchenko projects to be a bottom pairing defenseman and you have our two most promising, Sproul and Ouellet on the third pair... Also if you're going to spend this much time to go through all this every year, why not learn how to spell our players names? And if you have trouble with the spelling, just do a quick internet search... Who are Marsek and Coreu?...

Yes it would be nice if EVERYONE made sure to spell perfect but you picking at it just make you look petty and snotty.

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