DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 darkmanx, you say we can easily trade for a defender, but we can't trade for a backup or minor league goalie?... Except for the fact we don't need a goalie right now but we need defensemen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Do you know how asset management works? You deal in a position of surplus. We have way too many forwards, someone is going to be traded. ya you said it ... we got a surplus of forwards so whats the plan? draft more forwards makes sense and detroits ways of dealing with surplus of forwards is losing them off waivers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) Why is everyone assuming McCollum is gone? I wouldn't be at all surprised if he resigns and stays in Grand Rapids. All the fans are so sure that Howard is on his way out so why wouldn't McCollum be thinking the same thing? With Howard "100% on his way out" maybe Tommy Boy can make his way up as a backup to Mrazek. Also, why are Paterson and Perry not viewed as guys for Grand Rapids? And like I said, we have our number 1 in Detroit. Filling a backup / minor league role has to be the easiest to fill. There are always a dozen options in free agency every year... Assuming he's either gone or, even if he stays, appears unlikely to be an NHL goaltender. McCollum and everyone else in the world knows that he's not going to be Detroit's full-time backup. You need to build up a talent pool that can have an impact in the future. The Wings drafted another goalie because they have a limited pool that looks like it will make an impact in the future, once you get past Mrazek. Or, they just drafted him because he was the best talent available at the time, regardless of position. Either way, I'm fine with it. Edited June 27, 2015 by Zetts 1 DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Except for the fact we don't need a goalie right now but we need defensemen. ya so lets not draft them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Yeah and others don't? The only guys who get net a legit top pairing guy are Larkin and Mantha, that's why other teams are only asking for them. Yea, no other team would take Nyquist, Tatar, Pulks, Sheahan. What scrubs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) Holland drafted Athanasiou, Nyquist and Pulks in the 4th round...if he wants to take a big center like Pearson in the mid rounds..who's heading to Nyquist's alma mater for college...I'll let him. Edited June 27, 2015 by Shinzaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 ya so lets not draft them Do we want to win now or draft hopefuls ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 So Paterson and Perry don't have a shot at NHL duty but Van Pottelberghe absolutely does... Give me a break. Both of these kids have just as good a shot at being NHLers as this kid. Besides, we're going to need a backup within a few years if Howard is traded. That won't be any of these kids. It will be a free agent signing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nawein 324 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 ya so lets not draft them I forgot that fifth round draft picks usually make immediate NHL impacts. Be patient. 1 DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Except for the fact we don't need a goalie right now but we need defensemen.Yup but not 1/2 my pc is probably bigger than this kid lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 So Paterson and Perry don't have a shot at NHL duty but Van Pottelberghe absolutely does... Give me a break. Both of these kids have just as good a shot at being NHLers as this kid. Besides, we're going to need a backup within a few years if Howard is traded. That won't be any of these kids. It will be a free agent signing... Please do provide insight on Pottelberghe. I would love to see what scouting report you have. I have seen Paterson and Perry both play a lot, they aren't very good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Do we want to win now or draft hopefuls ? both? if we got no good future defensemen in our prospect pool were really f***ed , and our pool is sinking ... we desperatly need sproul to have a big season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 both? if we got no good future defensemen in our prospect pool were really f***ed , and our pool is sinking ... we desperatly need sproul to have a big season Name me 5 teams that have both. Yup but not 1/2 my pc is probably bigger than this kid lol I don't even know what this means.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Name me 5 teams that have both. what do other teams buisness have to do with ours ... if we dont wanna win longterm we dont draft dmen cause we wanna win now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 I don't have any scouting report on Van Pottelberghe. I honestly don't know much at all about either Paterson or Perry. But I do know that both will have a better shot at making an impact on the organization a hell of a lot sooner than this kid. Drafting a goalie over a defenseman makes zero sense to me. Whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) what do other teams buisness have to do with ours ... if we dont wanna win longterm we dont draft dmen cause we wanna win now? Because not every team has what you are asking for is my point. I don't have any scouting report on Van Pottelberghe. I honestly don't know much at all about either Paterson or Perry. But I do know that both will have a better shot at making an impact on the organization a hell of a lot sooner than this kid. Drafting a goalie over a defenseman makes zero sense to me. Whatever. Once again, let the guys running the team make those choices. We are just fans sitting behind a computer thinking we know. Holland has been successful for 20 years and believe me it wasn't because of us. Let the guy do his job without picking apart every single thing he does. Imagine you go to work and everything you do someone criticizes you for? Gets annoying right? I am not Holland but it annoys me when I read some of the nonsense on here most days. This is why I mostly stick to HF when it comes to drafting and FA, everything else for this site. Edited June 27, 2015 by darkmanx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Perry was picked last year...how is he getting anywhere a hell of a lot sooner than a guy picked this year? 1 DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Because not every team has what you are asking for is my point. and my point is our biggest concern is we need defensemen now and into the future so that should be our main priority just pray sproul is an all star next season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 So Paterson and Perry don't have a shot at NHL duty but Van Pottelberghe absolutely does... Give me a break. Both of these kids have just as good a shot at being NHLers as this kid. Besides, we're going to need a backup within a few years if Howard is traded. That won't be any of these kids. It will be a free agent signing... This is the premise of a talent pool. Since none of them are sure fire bets for the NHL, you build up a pool of what you think are the best bets (at each position) and hope that one turns into the real deal. You don't stop drafting at a position because you've got one or two guys that are maybe ok. And we hardly have an unreasonable number of (or a particularly good set of) goaltending prospects. Listen, I agree that we need to draft defence. I'm just saying that we need more than that as well. And our goaltending talent pool is not strong. 1 DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 and my point is our biggest concern is we need defensemen now and into the future so that should be our main priority just pray sproul is an all star next season I. Give. Up. 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 for defensemen gustav bourraman wasnt picked yet i think ... david henley and alexander younan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) just noticed our pick is right in the middle of jaros and vainio ... nice slap Was it a sad day when you got fired from Detroit's scouting staff? Always agreed with a lot of what you said on here but you're not having a good day are you? When you start agreeing with Frank "lil Don Cherry" Grime's comments, you know there's something wrong. No? My opinion on this draft? Holland and company are getting creative and none of you know enough about Red Wings hockey operations to understand what they're doing. I still remember the epic LOL meltdown LGWings had when they drafted Bertuzzi in the 2nd round. Looks like that might have been a good idea after all. Edited June 27, 2015 by rick zombo 3 DatsyukianDekes, twopups and laporte15 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Was it a sad day when you got fired from Detroit's scouting staff? Always agreed with a lot of what you said on here but you're not having a good day are you? When you start agreeing with Frank "lil Don Cherry" Grime's comments, you know there's something wrong. No? My opinion on this draft? Holland and company are getting creative and none of you know enough about Red Wings hockey operations to understand what they're doing. I still remember the epic LOL meltdown LGWings had when they drafted Bertuzzi in the 2nd round. Looks like that might have been a good idea after all. dissapointed with today and not drafting more defensemen but ill be over it , got more stuff giving me a bad day than our picks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 darkmanx, I am one of Holland's biggest supporters and I have said several times that I'm not going to make too big of a judgement too early. I also stated what a great job he does at the draft table... I would never sit down with Holland and call him out for any of his picks, because he and his staff undoubtedly know a hell of a log more than me about any of these kids. Does that mean that fans that know very little about these guys can't debate amongst themselves whether or not they were good or bad picks? I don't like the picks, you do. Not a big deal. We'll find out in a few years whether or not they were good picks or not... 1 rick zombo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Was it a sad day when you got fired from Detroit's scouting staff? Always agreed with a lot of what you said on here but you're not having a good day are you? When you start agreeing with Frank "lil Don Cherry" Grime's comments, you know there's something wrong. No? My opinion on this draft? Holland and company are getting creative and none of you know enough about Red Wings hockey operations to understand what they're doing. I still remember the epic LOL meltdown LGWings had when they drafted Bertuzzi in the 2nd round. Looks like that might have been a good idea after all. Good call. I remember the Bertuzzi pick as well and the meltdown here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
