Franson to Preds

[krsmith17 7,191]

Trading to a divisional opponent should not be an issue in this particular situation. The Wings and Leafs don't play each other any more this season, the Leafs have no chance in making the playoffs, and Franson is a UFA at the end of the season. The Leafs should and would have taken the best deal on the table, regardless of who they were helping out. Why shouldn't the prospect matter in this situation? The Leafs can't draft for s***, they should be after high end prospects before late first round draft picks. Ouellet should be worth more to a team like the Leafs than a 24ish overall pick from Nashville. And give it a rest with this Babcock speculation, it's bulls***, plain and simple. Yes, since the Wings didn't land Franson, they will get bounced earlier in the playoffs, and now Babcock will choose to go to the Leafs, who are in full rebuild mode, rather than stay with a team that has a tradition of winning, and is a year or two max away from contention once again... Give me a f***ing break...

[FlashyG 1,799]

Trading to a divisional opponent should not be an issue in this particular situation. The Wings and Leafs don't play each other any more this season, the Leafs have no chance in making the playoffs, and Franson is a UFA at the end of the season. The Leafs should and would have taken the best deal on the table, regardless of who they were helping out. Why shouldn't the prospect matter in this situation? The Leafs can't draft for s***, they should be after high end prospects before late first round draft picks. Ouellet should be worth more to a team like the Leafs than a 24ish overall pick from Nashville. And give it a rest with this Babcock speculation, it's bulls***, plain and simple. Yes, since the Wings didn't land Franson, they will get bounced earlier in the playoffs, and now Babcock will choose to go to the Leafs, who are in full rebuild mode, rather than stay with a team that has a tradition of winning, and is a year or two max away from contention once again... Give me a f***ing break...

How often do you watch the Leafs? living in Toronto I see them a few times a week and I wouldn't trade Ouellet for 2 months of Franson straight up.

His risky passes and tendency to turn pucks over around his own net would have him in Bab's doghouse in short order.

He'd be on the 3rd pairing before the playoffs even begin.

The Leafs also wont make any deals that might help the Wings as they truly believe that if the Wings fizzle in the playoffs this year, Babcock will be their head coach next year. Helping us make a playoff run would only increase the chances he'd re-sign with the Wings.

Where is this "at any cost" coming from? Obviously I wouldn't have given up the farm for him, but we could have easily beaten out the Preds in that trade, without giving up too much. No, a first round pick isn't ideal but I think we could have given up a second and a better prospect and got the deal done. I just find it hilarious how people come on here saying, he isn't the player we needed. If he isn't the type of defenseman this team needs, then that player doesn't exist. Of all the players available (taking cost into account) he absolutely was the best fit for this team. But yeah, keep talking about Yandle... Not going to happen, nor should it...

We don't have a 2nd round pick, we traded it last season in an overpayment for a rental. This would be even worse since we don't really have an aching need for a 2nd pairing defenceman even if he does shoot right.

If we're going to get a minute eating top pairing defenceman its going to be one of those prospects you seem to eager to trade. They are not often available via free agency, and when they are they cost a fortune. The same goes for trying to acquire one via trade, the cost will out weigh the benefit.

Hey, didn't we trade a 1st for Kyle Quincey?

Holland does overpay. Just for the wrong guys.

Honestly right now I'd prefer Quincey to Franson simply because Franson would be gone at the end of the season without question.

He wants 6 million plus a season long term, and he just wouldn't get that in Detroit.

Franson would be a much better player offensively, and he'd improve the PP, but we're already #1 on the PP, and his offence comes at the expense of defence.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Like, I've stated numerous times, I watch a LOT of Leafs games... unfortunately, due to my girlfriend being a Leafs fan... I wouldn't say 40 games so far this season would be a stretch at all. We're clearly not watching the same games, or the same player... He's the big number 4 guy on defense that hits everything and is a shot blocking machine right? He's also better at moving the puck than any other guy on our team, except for maybe Kronwall. He's a right handed shot and can quarterback a power-play. Yeah, I totally understand why we don't need that type of player. He isn't the BEST in his own zone but he's far from bad, and what offensive defenseman is also an amazing shut down defenseman, not named Shea Weber?... He would instantly be our 2nd or 3rd best defenseman, but yeah, he's definitely not worth Ouellet, a player that can barely crack our top 6 and tops out at a number 4 defenseman...

Again, stop with the damn Babcock going to the Leafs... It's not going to happen, regardless if he re-signs with the Wings (which I think he will).

We do have a 2nd round pick in this years draft, we lost the 2nd in the Legwand deal in last years draft... We don't have a 3rd this year, due to the trade to draft Turgeon...

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Yeah, they all go to Nashville. Oh wait....

Agreed, neither have been preferred destinations. But no doubt they'd prefer to be on the #1 team in the league rather than stuck in Toronto (which was the original opinion that you responded to.)

Haha typical LGW. We didn't land him, so... we didn't even want him... Franson is garbage, not worth the asking price...

To me, that's not typical LGW at all. Typical LGW is: "Why can't Holland make deals like this! (even though nobody would want him to pay the price that was payed). He's just booting the tires while wasting the rest of Dats and Z's careers..."

Hey, didn't we trade a 1st for Kyle Quincey?

Holland does overpay. Just for the wrong guys.

To be fair, Quincey came hear with an expiring contract, but he would be an RFA so we knew we'd have him for more than the rental period. Franson is purely a rental at the time of this trade - It's a much higher price to pay for the return.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Yes, I'm eager to trade our prospects... Are you kidding me? You clearly haven't been around here much lately... I'm probably the one person that everyone thinks, "krsmith17, you can't hold on to every single prospect..."

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Where is this "at any cost" coming from? Obviously I wouldn't have given up the farm for him, but we could have easily beaten out the Preds in that trade, without giving up too much. No, a first round pick isn't ideal but I think we could have given up a second and a better prospect and got the deal done. I just find it hilarious how people come on here saying, he isn't the player we needed. If he isn't the type of defenseman this team needs, then that player doesn't exist. Of all the players available (taking cost into account) he absolutely was the best fit for this team. But yeah, keep talking about Yandle... Not going to happen, nor should it...

Well the thing is the leafs gave both franson and santorelli as a duo in order to get a 1st rounder so unless we were willing to throw a top prospect I can't see us having been able to get franson without giving up the 1st rounder

Not super high on yandle either (Rather have ekman larsson but won't happen)

To the person above posting Babcock is gonna go to the leafs ... Lmao that's just ludicrous

Babcocks wants cups and wins and he won't get none of those in toronto with no team there 0%chance Babcock ends up in toronto

Edited February 15, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Franson is big right handed and hits. He's also a turnover machine, 14 more giveaways than the horrible Jonathan Ericsson. He'd help but not so much he'd be worth the price.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Franson had more giveaways than any other defender on the Wings, but that is on an awful team in Toronto. He also had three times more takeaways than any defender on the Wings and a better giveaway to takeaway ratio than any Wings defender. Everyone keep trying to put down Franson, the Preds got another absolute steal on this one and they probably have the best back end in the entire league after this trade.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

I think St Louis may be the best D

[Nightfall 871]

I would rather see us go after someone in free agency instead of trading our future away. The prospects and young guns we have in the system right now are the reason why we are doing so well. Lets not make a trade for the sake of making one.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Andy Pred, I think prior to this trade the Blues absolutely had the best back end, but I think the Preds own that now. Hard to compete with a back end of Weber, Franson, Josi, Jones and Ellis. Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk are awesome, and Bouwmeester and Jackman are solid. Preds definitely have a more potent blueline in my opinion.

[derblaueClaus 1,668]

It's not so much about what Franson is, it's more about how much does he improve the team. I don't watch as many Leafs games as you guys but from what I saw and read in his stats he is more or less on par with Kronwall regarding offense but worse defensively. In my opinion that makes him very good top 4 defender and a decent top 2. But we already have two, maybe three of that in Quincy, Ericsson and arguably DeKeyser.

Sure, they don't have the offensive upside of Franson but they make that more or less up with their better defensive play. So, would Franson have improved us ? Sure, we'd be a little bit more flexible and deeper on our blueline and increased our production a little bit. Would that be nice to have ? Of course. Would it worth the price of a top pick + prospect ? No. What we really need is a offensive top 2 D-Man to complement Kronwall on our first paring not another top 4 guy. Franson simply isn't that guy. And the price paid by the Preds is to high for just "nice to have", especially considering Franson is an UFA this summer. I'm glad Kenny stayed away from him and I hope he also doesn't trade for Petry for the same reasons stated here. The far better options are to get Yandle or to stay pat and try to sign Green this summer.

Edited February 16, 2015 by derblaueClaus

[Yzerfan87 146]

I'm glad Kenny stayed away from him and I hope he also doesn't trade for Petry for the same reasons stated here. The far better options are to get Yandle or to stay pat and try to sign Green this summer.

If we can trade Kindl for Petry, that's a win. Worst case scenario there, Petry doesn't work, we let him walk and we have a spot for a kid. Best case, he works out, we keep him, and let Quincey walk next season. Pair Petry with DDK, and we're better on the back end.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

If we can trade Kindl for Petry, that's a win. Worst case scenario there, Petry doesn't work, we let him walk and we have a spot for a kid. Best case, he works out, we keep him, and let Quincey walk next season. Pair Petry with DDK, and we're better on the back end.

Quincey signed a two year deal last off season, so we can't let him walk next year as he is under contract until after next season.

And if kindl goes to Edmonton along with our second round pick I'll be happy.

[Yzerfan87 146]

Quincey signed a two year deal last off season, so we can't let him walk next year as he is under contract until after next season.

And if kindl goes to Edmonton along with our second round pick I'll be happy.

2 years ends after next year...

[martinezsvsu 240]

Why is this even an argument? If we want him then babs and Ken will go after him in the off season. We don't need rentals, if we did get franson it would only push o and march to GR and I like having them

[FlashyG 1,799]

Yes, I'm eager to trade our prospects... Are you kidding me? You clearly haven't been around here much lately... I'm probably the one person that everyone thinks, "krsmith17, you can't hold on to every single prospect..."

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you just advocate trading Ouellet, our top defensive prospect for a rental?

As for giveaways and takeaways, the fact that Toronto is terrible isn't an argument in Franson's favor it's actually the reason for the misleading stat totals.

A team with the puck more often will have decreased takeaway numbers and increased giveaways, it's also not a good sign when a defencemen you're counting on for offence is blocking so many shots. That Franson has so many giveaways on a team that ranks dead last in puck possession is a pretty telling stat.

If Franson were a piece that put us over the top for a cup run I'd be all for moving a prospect for him but I don't think we're that close, and I certainly don't think he's that guy.

I'd rather go with what we have and sign Petry in the off-season, then see what prospects make a big jump next season. I have a feeling both Ouellet and Marchenko will be ready, with Sproul and Backman getting looks when guys go down.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Flashy, I think you're way off base on so many things here that I don't even know where to start... Unfortunately Franson isn't coming here, so thi conversation is pretty pointless at this point. I'll just say that, we are "that" close, and he could have absolutely been "that" guy, that potentially put us over the top. Ouellet is way overhyped around here, and Franson would have been an upgrade over every single defenseman in our entire organization not named Kronwall, so yes, I'd trade away Ouellet for that in a heartbeat.

How is it a bad sign that a defenseman that is relied upon to generate offense hits and blocks shots? It just means that he is well rounded. I'm not even going to touch the worse team equals more takeaways and better teams equal more giveaways argument... That's just ridiculous...

Either way, he's not coming here and people are trying to say that he isn't what this team needed... so whatever. Nashville got much better today, let's see if we make any moves or stand pat. Now that Franson is off the table, I'd just assume do nothing...

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

In fairness, you've been arguing that he's exactly what this team needs and not many people agreed with you.

so people aren't just saying "oh we don't need him" just because we didn't get him.

Flashy, I think you're way off base on so many things here that I don't even know where to start... Unfortunately Franson isn't coming here, so thi conversation is pretty pointless at this point. I'll just say that, we are "that" close, and he could have absolutely been "that" guy, that potentially put us over the top. Ouellet is way overhyped around here, and Franson would have been an upgrade over every single defenseman in our entire organization not named Kronwall, so yes, I'd trade away Ouellet for that in a heartbeat.

How is it a bad sign that a defenseman that is relied upon to generate offense hits and blocks shots? It just means that he is well rounded. I'm not even going to touch the worse team equals more takeaways and better teams equal more giveaways argument... That's just ridiculous...

Either way, he's not coming here and people are trying to say that he isn't what this team needed... so whatever. Nashville got much better today, let's see if we make any moves or stand pat. Now that Franson is off the table, I'd just assume do nothing...

He was saying that franson having all those giveaways despite being on one of the worst puck possession teams in the league is telling, Because it is.

First off they have the puck less than other teams, yet he had high giveaways.

Plus him having so many giveaways means that he was a big contributor to their lack of puck possession.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

And its a bad sign that he has so many blocked shots because for a guy relied upon for offense, blocking shots means he was spending a lot of time in his defensive zone, where you can't score from.

As for whether were a cup contender, or whether one more piece could've pushed us over the top, that remains to be seen. We've seen a lot of good from this team, as well as alot of bad. And flashy wasn't going out of his way to negate what you were saying, or attack your opinions.

He asked you a question, he said, "correct me if I'm wrong," which means if he had it wrong then explain it to him, not jump down his throat for trying to give you the other side of the coin.

Edited February 16, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Would he have been good to add.

Sure, but for the right price, and no one knows exactly what it would've taken to get him, but the price would've been higher for us because were in the same conference.

Arguing about what it would've cost, and for what reasons is pointless, because well never know.

Edited February 16, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Andy Pred, I think prior to this trade the Blues absolutely had the best back end, but I think the Preds own that now. Hard to compete with a back end of Weber, Franson, Josi, Jones and Ellis. Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk are awesome, and Bouwmeester and Jackman are solid. Preds definitely have a more potent blueline in my opinion.

Ellis and jones are young though and could make mistakes what puts them ahead of the blues is they got rinne

As good as they are doing though still can't help but think theyll be missing some firepower upfront in the playoffs ... Forsberg as awesome as he's done is also just 20 and has yet to experience the playoffs

[kickazz 5,459]

If we can trade Kindl for Petry, that's a win. Worst case scenario there, Petry doesn't work, we let him walk and we have a spot for a kid. Best case, he works out, we keep him, and let Quincey walk next season. Pair Petry with DDK, and we're better on the back end.

But wouldnt getting Yandle be a bigger win? He's a much better D-man and we could sign him long term. He would be expensive but it would take care of blue line scoring issue. Marchenko could be our righty.

Kronwall - Ericsson

Yandle - Marchenko

Quincy - Dekeyser

[amato 3,210]

Someone posted a defensive salary cap comment on Twitter. Preds vs. Flyers.... Wow.

"Weber Josi Jones Franson Ellis Ekholm Volchenkov -- $20,619,143 cap

Streit Coburn MDZ Schenn Schultz MacDonald Grossmann -- $24,400,000 cap"

[amato 3,210]

Also this according to McKenzie. Don't think I saw it posted yet.. Toronto will try to move Olli. Can't imagine they get too much for him though.

"@TSNBobMcKenzie: TOR had to take Olli Jokinen's contract back to help even out $ for NSH. TOR will now try to move Jokinen so full return yet to be seen."